Infractions?

lostexpectation

Where did this come from?

Haven't seen much talk of it

AlmightyCushion

They came with the upgrade to vBulletin 3.6.8.

Details about them in the link below. Some one should really make a wiki page about them.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055165945

RoundyMooney

Agreed. While mods have discussed them at length, the users were not so informed.

lostexpectation

I was givien one because I suggested someone wasn't very public minded, this was somehow interpreted as a insult! worthy enough to get an infraction pm'd the mod rejecting the infraction and got no reply.

hullaballoo

I don't think you can reject infractions.

Karoma

lostexpectation wrote: »

I was givien one because I suggested someone wasn't very public minded, this was somehow interpreted as a insult! worthy enough to get an infraction pm'd the mod rejecting the infraction and got no reply.

You attacked the poster and not the post. That's generally a no-no.
Consider an infraction as a PM, and a mark on your permanent record (that only other moderators and admin's can see. Even then, moderators only see a note by the mod who gave it and not the contents of the message.)
It's no big deal, unless you start to get a few. Treat it as you would a PM warning.

A-Trak

Are posters always informed of an infraction?
Could you rack up a couple unknowingly?

AlmightyCushion

A-Trak wrote: »

Are posters always informed of an infraction?
Could you rack up a couple unknowingly?

A pm is automatically sent to the user when they receive an infraction.

lostexpectation

Karoma wrote: »

You attacked the poster and not the post. That's generally a no-no.
Consider an infraction as a PM, and a mark on your permanent record (that only other moderators and admin's can see. Even then, moderators only see a note by the mod who gave it and not the contents of the message.)
It's no big deal, unless you start to get a few. Treat it as you would a PM warning.

It wasn't any sort of attack, my post didn't cross the playing the ball not the player line, the entire point of the OP post was that they was showing that weren't very considerate of others (of the public mass).

Again I reject it.

there are threads on other boards now highlighting the strange inconsistent over modding particularly in the politics board.

Karoma

lostexpectation wrote: »

It wasn't any sort of attack, my post didn't cross the playing the ball not the player line, the entire point of the OP post was that they was showing that weren't very considerate of others (of the public mass).

Again I reject it.

there are threads on other boards now highlighting the strange inconsistent over modding particularly in the politics board.

-v- your original post which was a more vague theoretical post. Typical Feedback.
If you have a problem with the infraction - discuss it with the moderator that set it and then Help Desk?

Villain

I got one for reporting a post but the reason giving was Inappropriate Language.

Obviously the mods can't enter a reason and have a drop down list of reason, and as there was no reason for mine they just selected Inappropriate Language

Karoma

Villain wrote: »

I got one for reporting a post but the reason giving was Inappropriate Language.

Obviously the mods can't enter a reason and have a drop down list of reason, and as there was no reason for mine they just selected Inappropriate Language

And here, boys and girls, we have another typical Feedback post: with Lies and deception. For example, one thing that 'Villain' has not said is that he once went by another username. He also most likely had an ulterior motive for reporting the post.

Villain

Oh now I don't think we want to have THAT discussion here Karoma?

the_syco

lostexpectation wrote: »

Again I reject it.

Tough luck: you can't. These "infractions" are warnings, except now when you (not you personally, you in the sense of you/everyone) get a warning on one forum, and do (for example) the same muppetry on another forum, the mod of the 2nd forum can see that you've already had a warning for this sort of behaviour, but are ignoring it, and may then give you a ban.

This is to halt some users who act the borderline prat in one forum, and then goes to another forum and does the same thing, but avoids getting banned, as they wouldn't be a total prat. With the infractions, however, if they act the borderline prat, they don't get an out-right ban, but will carry the infraction with them, so if they start acting the muppet again elsewhere, the other forums mod would see the infraction, and either give them another infraction, or ban them for being a troll.

lostexpectation

Karoma wrote: »

-v- your original post which was a more vague theoretical post. Typical Feedback.
If you have a problem with the infraction - discuss it with the moderator that set it and then Help Desk?

the mod didn't respond, thus the lack of clarity over infractions, lack of clarity over modding and mods in its entirety, and the hostility and unaccountability of their behaviour to people. as demonstrated in the how were you treated in feedback thread, if cloud wants this site to be treated seriously he should deal with this, the constant junvile behaviour in the feedback threads doesn't say much for his Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities

how about an infraction system for mods by users?

muffler

lostexpectation wrote: »

how about an infraction system for mods by users?

What? to replace feedback?

Nerin

lostexpectation wrote: »

how about an infraction system for mods by users?

that wouldnt work,or would take alot of work to sort out,whats to stop every jack the lad who has an issue with a mod handing out infractions.
they have the powah for a reason,we dont, dont fite da powah.

Karoma

lostexpectation wrote: »

I reject it...the mod didn't respond...<bigwhineyrant>

...

how about an infraction system for mods by users?

Meh. There was a karma system (or the other wan) - they were abused. Abuse of the Infraction system is taken very seriously. Infractions have added visibility to moderator actions in every way. Moderators are accountable. If you really believe you have valid grounds to do so and want to contest the infraction, I'd suggest using the Help Desk. The admins warned moderators from very early on that they would take a very dim view of abuse of infractions.

the_syco

lostexpectation wrote: »

the constant junvile behaviour in the feedback threads doesn't say much for his Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities

I love the spiel these "fight da poweh" threads produce.

Nerin

i cant pinpoint exactly what i love bout em really... maybe its the speling msitakes. lol junvile.
ive heard of the karma thing, hows that work?

Esel

nerin wrote: »

ive heard of the karma thing, hows that work?

Karoma's a biatch! Bites people in the ass. :eek:

Mr Magnolia

lostexpectation wrote: »

how about an infraction system for mods by users?

As an aside; Mod(s) can, and have been infracted by SMods/Admins for inappropriate use of the infraction system. Infractions have also been reversed.




*throws mod conspiracy theory out window*

Nerin

*throws mod conspiracy theory out window*

WHAT??!! No Conspiracy???!!! what will we do now?!!!!

i know....

Sherifu

nerin wrote: »

ive heard of the karma thing, hows that work?

http://wiki.boards.ie/wiki/Karma

http://wiki.boards.ie/wiki/Reputation

green123

for nerin

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54940012&postcount=47

Nerin

yeah, you said that already, and i posted one, and so did a mod. go start a feedback about it.
and stop following me around the site,its sad

green123

i am not following you around the site
i read this thread and when i saw the cat picture i thought it was stupid as i always do, so i decided to post

Nerin

awesome...

Jesus Wept

Will an infraction show till the end of time?

oscarBravo

lostexpectation wrote: »

the mod didn't respond, thus the lack of clarity over infractions, lack of clarity over modding and mods in its entirety, and the hostility and unaccountability of their behaviour to people. as demonstrated in the how were you treated in feedback thread, if cloud wants this site to be treated seriously he should deal with this, the constant junvile behaviour in the feedback threads doesn't say much for his Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities

how about an infraction system for mods by users?

Sigh.

It wasn't an infraction, it was a warning, for telling someone they are not very public minded. OK, so it's not exactly the world's worst insult, but it still goes against the principle of attacking the post, not the poster.

The note that accompanied the warning said "Don't get personal, ta."

In all fairness: did this really warrant a feedback thread?

Cuddlesworth

It has to do with how the site is run and does supply some suggestions. Admittedly there is a bias as he is complaining about receiving one, but who hasn't? What do you think the criteria for Feedback threads should be? Maybe you should start a thread about it.

g'em

The-Rigger wrote: »

Will an infraction show till the end of time?

The infraction points will expire after ten days but the record of receiving an infraction stays.

oscarBravo

krazy_8s wrote: »

It has to do with how the site is run and does supply some suggestions.

It has nothing to do with how the site is run. It's a hissy fit over a polite request not to get personal.

gandalf

No I think the thread is warranted! The standard of modding on the politics forum has plummeted recently

Villain

I'd agree Gandalf if I was in allowed to find out

oscarBravo

gandalf wrote: »

No I think the thread is warranted! The standard of modding on the politics forum has plummeted recently

Yeah, yeah. You're just jealous 'cos nobody's starting Feedback threads about you anymore.

Villain wrote: »

I'd agree Gandalf if I was in allowed to find out

I bet you would.

Villain

Ah now Oscar don't be like that, I was being nice in a comicial way while being down on one bended knee begging for forgiveness

gandalf

You want to make a far far better effort than that I!!

Villain

Well if I had his address I'd send roses on the 14th with a Please forgive me card, P

lostexpectation

oscarBravo wrote: »

Sigh.

It wasn't an infraction, it was a warning, for telling someone they are not very public minded. OK, so it's not exactly the world's worst insult, but it still goes against the principle of attacking the post, not the poster.

The note that accompanied the warning said "Don't get personal, ta."

In all fairness: did this really warrant a feedback thread?

It did because you didn't reply to my rejection of it.

The OP's attitude to other people on the road was _the_ issue of the post/thread.

I''d me be more then happy if this thread concentrated on explaining infractions rather then focus on one I got, but it is an example of poor judgement and lack of appeals process.

If mods really are accountable maybe they should be a bit more modest in this forum.

mods always take complaints personally, I don't get paid for this ****, woe is me, when I ask for mod infraction system its compared to a conspiracy. and then the come in here and gang up on people complaining.

Hagar

Most people that come into the appeals process do so with all guns blazing and get upset when someone shoots back. There have been a number of threads in the last few days which have been exemplary in the way the appeals process is intended to work. It would behove you to read them and learn from them.

If users could infract mods the whole site would descend into chaos. Not from the actions of the vast majority of users but because of the actions of the muppets. We get people signing up every single day just to spam and cause disruption. Do you want them to have the ability to infract mods? Because that's exactly where this would lead.

Personally I find the infraction system useful. Like many people I frequent a number of forums on a regular basis but outside that I would have no knowledge of the posters on, say, any of the gaming forums. Now if a poster starts causing grief on the gaming forums and gets infracted for it and then come over to Military and starts playing up I can see that he has been causing trouble elsewhere and act accordingly. Conversely if a poster in Military starts causing grief but has no history of problems elsewhere I can cut him a bit of slack and a quick Pm might get him back on the rails.

Mods don't want to be infracting people or banning people contrary to what some posters think. We would like things to just tick over and posters to enjoy themselves so that we can enjoy the forums too without having to constantly clean up the mess. We just want an easy life. Anyone that thinks otherwise is mistaken.

RoundyMooney

I routinely receive negative feedback on adverts.ie, despite not having sold an item to any of the parties. Those that gave same were invariably idiots who had come up against the rules and been found wanting.

Giving moderation tools to the masses is not a good idea.

oscarBravo

lostexpectation wrote: »

It did because you didn't reply to my rejection of it.

It was a politely worded warning, ffs. You don't get to "reject" it. Why is this such a big deal for you?

lostexpectation wrote: »

The OP's attitude to other people on the road was _the_ issue of the post/thread.

That's not true. It's not even on the same planet as factual correctness.

lostexpectation wrote: »

I''d me be more then happy if this thread concentrated on explaining infractions rather then focus on one I got, but it is an example of poor judgement and lack of appeals process.

Poor judgement? Get over yourself. You seriously think there should be an appeals process against me asking you not to get personal?

Is there a "drama queen" gathering card?

lostexpectation wrote: »

mods always take complaints personally, I don't get paid for this ****, woe is me, when I ask for mod infraction system its compared to a conspiracy. and then the come in here and gang up on people complaining.

Wait a sec - I'm supposed to be the one taking things personally here?

Bloody hell.

lostexpectation

Hagar wrote: »

We just want an easy life. Anyone that thinks otherwise is mistaken.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055221133 poll alteration...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54940068&postcount=50

equals making life easy?

AlmightyCushion

lostexpectation wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055221133 poll alteration...

That could only be done by an admin.

lostexpectation wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54940068&postcount=50

equals making life easy?

He was only having a bit of fun. It made me laugh, I'm sure it made others laugh too.

Hagar

lostexpectation wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055221133 poll alteration...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54940068&postcount=50

equals making life easy?

There is nothing wrong with lightening a situation.
Too many people are going around like wound up springs looking for a confrontation.

randylonghorn

Hagar wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with lightening a situation.
Too many people are going around like wound up springs looking for a confrontation.

Quoted For Bloody Truth!!