'Irish' pubs - should they be banned outside Ireland?

darkman2

.....and so we reach the climax of the great European project.........the real agenda so expertly covered up all these years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0VfoIrVq7Y



On a serious note though should 'Irish' pubs be banned outside Ireland? Im sure an argument could be put together about pretentiousness and fakery etc (you would probrably get some strange looks) but do you make it your mission to visit an Irish pub on holiday? Do you see Irish pubs all over the world as an embarrasment cementing the embarrasing image of a drunken race which does our reputation actual harm abroad?

Should Irish pubs be banned outside Ireland? (if it was possible of course!)

Anto McC

I don't make it a point to visit one, actually the opposite but it's no harm having somewhere you know, you won't look or feel out of place in.

Jesus Wept

We should threaten all other countries of the world with our military mite if they do not comply with this order.

Mossy Monk

If they were banned then how would I watch the Late Late Show abroad?

B0X

Don't see why, its always great to meet fellow irish in the backarse of nowhere.

whatsgoinon

I generally avoid irish pubs like the plague when i'm abroad, I go where the locals go, generally cheaper and better fun. What't the point of travelling thousands of miles to drinking in O'Neills or wherever to bump into some head you went to uni with years before, couldn't you do that at home? I travel to meet new people from different countries and more importantly to get to know the culture. Yes I have been to a few Irish pubs abroad and have always felt uncomfortable in them. Oh and don't get me started on 'the lads' who go to oz and descend on the local irish boozer with their county/local jerseys. You wouldn't do it at home so why do it over there?

Pherekydes

Ban all Chinese restaurants outside China, all Italian restaurants outside Italy, etc., etc.

World would be a pretty boring place.

Naos

I enjoy going for a pint in an Irish pub. Nothing like pots and pans and old bicycles on the wall to remind me of home.

"Where everbody knows your name..."

darkman2

Slow coach wrote: »

Ban all Chinese restaurants outside China,
World would be a pretty boring place.

True but that does not equate with all Chinese are fat and like to eat? Where as the perception around Irish pubs abroad is propbrably that our country's populace tend to enjoy acting like drunken savages - Seriously how many times have you met someone abroad - say your Irish - and have been greeted with a reply that must be drink related for some reason?;)

Poxyshamrock

Nooooooooooooooooo!

OPENROAD

I try and avoid them if I can.

The Real B-man

Ahh your Ballymun in the Sun Holiday wouldnt be complete without them!

AARRRGH

We should ban Harp (the beer) from Irish pubs outside Ireland. People think we drink it over here.

petethebrick

Irish idiots posting silly questions on boards-shoul they be banned?

RonMexico

The only time I went to an Irish pub abroad was in San Francisco. O' Reillys in North Beach, right next to Chinatown and it is full of gorgeous asian birds looking for a Paddy. Yes I am of the asian persuasion and yes I did pull an asian bird. Cracker too lol

seamus

Went into one in New York. Just happened to be wandering around looking for lunch so we went in. Sat at the bar, chatted to the sound barman who was from Finglas and hadn't been home in 7 years and had a decent meal.

I've never found Irish bars to be overly stereotypical and they're usually delighted to see you - particularly if it's somewhere out of the way where you wouldn't have tonnes of Irish.

AARRRGH

RonMexico wrote: »

The only time I went to an Irish pub abroad was in San Francisco. O' Reillys in North Beach, right next to Chinatown and it is full of gorgeous asian birds looking for a Paddy. Yes I am of the asian persuasion and yes I did pull an asian bird. Cracker too lol

Good man

Bottle_of_Smoke

I think they're a good idea, should probably have pubs for every country in every other country. Like some sort of working class embassy

AngryHippie

dublindude wrote: »

We should ban Harp (the beer) from Irish pubs outside Ireland. People think we drink it over here.

that'll only make the pubs busier.
Make it the only draught available, pubs will be shut within weeks. Or there will be a global shortage of liver donors. That stuff is pi$$

AARRRGH

Apparently they like it! Seriously...

i_love_toast

der deadly!i remember i was in zambia in africa on a school trip a good few years back and in the run down crappy city there was this savage irish pub wit old bicycles on the walls wit square wheels and hurls and placks and everything....in the middle of AFRICA!!

Joe Cool

Ah, there's nothing like touching down in foreign parts, locating the nearest McDonald's and then on to the Irish bar for an awful pint of stout.
Nothing like traveling and experiencing different cultures.

Alessandra

No! I found working in an Irish bar abroad an excellent way to meet locals and learn the language. I was lucky in the fact the town I worked in didn't attract the Irish/English. I met people of every age from the town who were mad up for the craic and loved Irish people so the drinks flowed freely for me. Only 2 other Irish in the place.

On the other hand I have a strong disdain for the Irish pubs in Spain etc where people on sun holidays flock to as soon as they hop off the plane and never leave until the return flight.

Mossy Monk

dublindude wrote: »

We should ban Harp (the beer) from Irish pubs outside Ireland. People think we drink it over here.

I must be one of a dying breed of natives who likes Harp.

BraziliaNZ

only Nordies drink harp. I like the local Irish bar here, it's the only decent boozer in the town anyway. I hate these travel snobs who think they're too good to be going into Irish bars abroad. There are a lot of Irish travellers who come to where I live here and don't want to talk to you because you're Irish too... dicks...

mental07

I think they're useful when it comes to sports events, e.g. it's All-Ireland final day and you're abroad, what do you do?

RonMexico

RonMexico wrote: »

The only time I went to an Irish pub abroad was in San Francisco. O' Reillys in North Beach, right next to Chinatown and it is full of gorgeous asian birds looking for a Paddy. Yes I am of the asian persuasion and yes I did pull an asian bird. Cracker too lol

Lucky you, I am still waiting on my oriental mistress

chopperbyrne

Good for watching sport that wouldn't otherwise be shown.

Place in New York that show Premier League matches, things like that.

When I lived in Northampton, there were several Irish pubs (owned & run by Irish) and for a short a number of "Irish theme" pubs.

The theme pubs came & went (now have very English names, well the same name before it was Irisihified).

Nothing wrong with the genuine article!

connundrum

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Good for watching sport that wouldn't otherwise be shown.

Place in New York that show Premier League matches, things like that.

Bingo! Sure we watched the Dublin v Meath match in Tierna's pub in Turkey last year. Good laugh etc.

guinnessdrinker

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I must be one of a dying breed of natives who likes Harp.

I too like Harp but my local stopped selling it years ago and I don't remember seeing it in any pub for a long time, it seems to be harder and harder to find Harp on tap in pubs!

zuutroy

I like having an Irish pub nearby. Agreed its a bit silly going on holidays and heading straight for the local Irish gaf, but when you're living in a place it's nice to have a bit of a sanctuary away from the euro-bots.

kreuzberger

itd be wrong to challenge them all and theyre all not the same . Some are a genuine attempt to represent an Irish oasis abroad , a meeting point for emigrant trad musicians and the like that fulfills a real social and cultural purpose , usually owned by someone with a genuine love of some Irish traditions . Often a musician or someone with an appreciation of Irish music .
Then in the likes of new york and boston with a long established immigrant community theres a genuine reason for them having sprouted naturally . London also , in which they served not only a social purpose but economic , when for generations recruiting on building sites was largely carried out in the Irish pubs .
But the more modern and global phenomenon is just plastic paddywhackery that maks me want to puke . Throwing the contents of a mullingar skip circa 1978 on the walls of your pub and adopting a lowest common denominator national stereotype as your pubs theme . Thankfully ive never been in one of the type that has sprung up in the euro beach resorts but ive heard quite dreary reports of the horrors that just leave me shaking my head . The green equivalent of some limey "fish and chips , god bless our Queen mum" bar in which you dont have to eat " foreign muck" and "talk dago " to have your pathetically low expecations fulfilled when your on holiday . That sort of thing is an idiotic Irish imitation of an English phenomenon . Monkey see monkey do in other words . You have some more upmarket versions in the larger cities but its really more of a franchise . Sort of like Irish people in westmeath opening up an " American Diner" in some weird attempt to capture a genre . Usually a very stupid idea . Although being able to watch a provincial or All Ireland final in Irish company when your living and working far from home is certainly something thats very important to many Irish people , and possibly for that reason alone their existance can be just about tolerated . However the beach resort ones , which dont serve that social purpose deserve to be thrown on the bonfires of hell .
When abroad your usually much better off doing what the locals do , because they usually do it much better than us . And much better than the english who we seemed doomed to imitate or play up to their stereotypes for eternity .

Anyway in a genuine Irish bar in Ireland youll have a pole serving you , a nigerian taxi driver to take you home and all the conversation will be about is Liverpool , Man utd and feckin property . property property property . The myth abroad is probably much more interesting than the reality at home .

Overheal

You'll hear no arguments against it from me on this one. 'Irish Pubs' in america are an affront to the concept. Some of the attempts at Irish establishments are quite good (they do some EPIC sports bars) but they are not 'Irish' and the pubs are a downright disgrace, full of finnicky crap on the walls that doesnt make sense - at least real irish pub finnicky things have purpose! They have theme.....

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Seriously though, I might just become a missionary to teach america how to pour guinness properly.

RonMexico

I was also in another Irish bar in the Bay Area of San Francisco and they had a big harp on the wall...


UPSIDE DOWN :eek:

kreuzberger

Overheal wrote: »

You'll hear no arguments against it from me on this one. 'Irish Pubs' in america are an affront to the concept. Some of the attempts at Irish establishments are quite good (they do some EPIC sports bars) but they are not 'Irish' and the pubs are a downright disgrace, full of finnicky crap on the walls that doesnt make sense - at least real irish pub finnicky things have purpose! They have theme.....

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Seriously though, I might just become a missionary to teach america how to pour guinness properly.

down the sink hopefully . Liquidized snot, yuk

tolosenc

Think of the students. Where would we work?!

Xavi6

kreuzberger wrote: »

down the sink hopefully . Liquidized snot, yuk

The words of an uneducated person. Guinness is a wonderful and beautiful drink. However it should only be consumed in Ireland. Anywhere outside all you get is black water. I like to have mine so thick that you need a knife and fork to get through it.

Keep the Irish bars, they're great. It's a place you can stroll into and know everyone will instantly love you and your 'authentic' accent.

deecom

Well here in Ljubljana there are pubs you could call Irish, been there once i think! terrible places! Would rather not drink Guinness then drink it in them! Waiting to get back to Mullingans, or Long Hall, Doyles, Hogan's, Grogan's or Brogan's, ah good times in school and college there!

Console yourself with a Wiki Waki Woo or 3

dSTAR

whatsgoinon wrote: »

Oh and don't get me started on 'the lads' who go to oz and descend on the local irish boozer with their county/local jerseys. You wouldn't do it at home so why do it over there?

Cringeworthy stuff. I had a horrible vision of Bridie O'Reilly's Chain Pub Inc flashing through my mind with its staff who have to scan a card every time they serve a drink so they can't give out free (overpriced) drinks to their mates.

I had the misfortune of going into Bridie's on Chapel Street one night with an Aussie friend of mine. She sauntered up to the bar and asked for a Tullamore Dew in some try hard attempt at impressing me. The (Aussie) bar man looked at her with a stupid look on his face and asked what Tullamore Dew was. Had to laugh really ..

dSTAR

RonMexico wrote: »

The only time I went to an Irish pub abroad was in San Francisco. O' Reillys in North Beach, right next to Chinatown and it is full of gorgeous asian birds looking for a Paddy. Yes I am of the asian persuasion and yes I did pull an asian bird. Cracker too lol

Ha ha been there a few times. Last time I was there I got into a conversation with a Vietnam vet who was harping on about the right to bear arms and shoot anyone who looked like a kook.

My brother used to play Fiddlers Green in Fishermans Wharf which was packed to the rafters every w/end with pasty faced J1'ers pissing it up on $1 buds strutting around like they had arrived. Seriously someone should put the smack down on these drunken idiots who give Irish a bad rep.

Reku

Never been to a foreign "Irish Bar" so couldn't care less but at the same time I am left thinking of the whole champagne thing and how it has to have been made from grapes grown in the champagne region of France or you're only allowed call it a sparkling wine, so if a similar logic were to be applied to allowing pubs to call themselves "Irish" what would that mean?
Prefab the building here and ship it abroad?
Can only have Irish born staff?
Can only serve Irish made beverages?

Mossy Monk

farohar wrote: »

Can only have Irish born staff?
Can only serve Irish made beverages?

Neither is the case in Irish pubs in Ireland.

Reku

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Neither is the case in Irish pubs in Ireland.

Good point! lol

RonMexico

dSTAR wrote: »

Ha ha been there a few times. Last time I was there I got into a conversation with a Vietnam vet who was harping on about the right to bear arms and shoot anyone who looked like a kook.

My brother used to play Fiddlers Green in Fishermans Wharf which was packed to the rafters every w/end with pasty faced J1'ers pissing it up on $1 buds strutting around like they had arrived. Seriously someone should put the smack down on these drunken idiots who give Irish a bad rep.

Yeah I ran into a lot of maniacs around there. The worst being in The Saloon (I think) anyway its the oldest bar in North Beach. Absolute ****hole.

MrJoeSoap

darkman2 wrote: »

.....and so we reach the climax of the great European project.........the real agenda so expertly covered up all these years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0VfoIrVq7Y



On a serious note though should 'Irish' pubs be banned outside Ireland? Im sure an argument could be put together about pretentiousness and fakery etc (you would probrably get some strange looks) but do you make it your mission to visit an Irish pub on holiday? Do you see Irish pubs all over the world as an embarrasment cementing the embarrasing image of a drunken race which does our reputation actual harm abroad?

Should Irish pubs be banned outside Ireland? (if it was possible of course!)

whatsgoinon wrote: »

I generally avoid irish pubs like the plague when i'm abroad, I go where the locals go, generally cheaper and better fun. What't the point of travelling thousands of miles to drinking in O'Neills or wherever to bump into some head you went to uni with years before, couldn't you do that at home? I travel to meet new people from different countries and more importantly to get to know the culture. Yes I have been to a few Irish pubs abroad and have always felt uncomfortable in them. Oh and don't get me started on 'the lads' who go to oz and descend on the local irish boozer with their county/local jerseys. You wouldn't do it at home so why do it over there?

Aren't you all forgetting one thing?

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Good for watching sport that wouldn't otherwise be shown.

connundrum wrote: »

Bingo! Sure we watched the Dublin v Meath match in Tierna's pub in Turkey last year. Good laugh etc.

Now ya have it!

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Place in New York that show Premier League matches, things like that.

ESPN Zone in Times Square is the greatest place I've ever seen for watching sport. Amazing food, amazing drink, and a wall with 14 HDtv's and three sports tickers. It was like the greatest dream I've ever had.