Should young expactant mothers be allowed to sponge?

dame

Should young expectant mothers be allowed to choose to give up work altogether, claim the dole and expect the council to provide them with a home for them and their offspring? Is that fair to tax-payers?

Have a look at this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055218197&page=2

jameshayes

*puts hard hat on*

January

dame wrote: »

Should young expectant mothers be allowed to choose to give up work altogether, claim the dole and expect the council to provide them with a home for them and their offspring? Is that fair to tax-payers?

Have a look at this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055218197&page=2

Some expectant mothers have no choice but to do exactly that, unless you know the persons circumstances then you have no right to judge them. This is exactly why you were banned from the parenting forum.

What if the mother had no one else to turn to, had no family, and no partner to look after her or the baby when it came along. Do you expect her to pay the extortionate amounts that creche's and childminders demand and the rent that landlords demand on her wages, she wouldn't have any money left to eat or pay bills.

You are entitled to your single mothers allowance, your childrens allowance and you are entitled to financial help towards a shelter for yourself and your baby. So why shouldn't young expectant mothers claim what they are entitled to??

dame

The lady in question did give her circumstances. She works in a shop. She is finding it hard to continue in her current role, as it stands. She is not interested in approaching management about altering her work slightly in order for her to continue working. Nor is she interested in finding an alternative temporary job until the baby is born. She intends to give up work altogether, go on the dole and remain on the dole for a few years, at which stage she may decide to go to college. She is absolutely not interested in any advice if it does not involve pointing her in the direction of some form she can fill in to claim additional allowances or money from the state. She is choosing all of this. She could work. She doesn't want to. She could go to college next september but again she doesn't want to. She wants to sit on her behind at home and have everyone else who is working provide for her and her child.

By the way adrienne___x, there is no such thing as a "single mother's allowance", so nobody is entitled to that. And adrienne____x, there are community childcare facilities out there which would be happy to look after her child for a nominal fee if it meant she would find work or go to college and get herself a useful qualification. In fact there are childcare facilities in some so-called "disadvantaged areas" that will mind her child for very little or even for free and won't even require her to be in a training program or working.

penexpers

Alot of the community childcare facilities are closing because of the changes in funding that are due to come in soon.

SarahMc

Alot of the community childcare facilities are closing because of the changes in funding that are due to come in soon.

No they are not, that blew over, and the reviewed funding arrangements are much better for the childcare facilities and users.

Gillo

dame wrote: »

By the way adrienne___x, there is no such thing as a "single mother's allowance", so nobody is entitled to that.

There is a single parents tax credit available, perhaps she meant that.

OP, you appear to be getting worked up about this, what's your connection or why are you getting so worked up when there are a lot more pressing issues in the world today?

dame

My connection? I'm a tax-payer.

Yes, there are plenty of issues in the world today. If nobody ever objects to of the abuses in the world then they will never get changed. If nobody tries to change things then more and more young mothers will give up before they even start and won't even consider the fact that they could work and add to society.

dame

By the way, it's not just this one individual who should not be allowed to sponge, in my opinion. There are other women who choose to go on the dole and stay at home with their kids for years. If the system makes that easier or more desirable for them than working and paying their own way in life, then the system needs to be tightened up and childcare made more affordable perhaps. To be honest though, no matter how affordable or available childcare or incentives are made, there will always be women who'd rather not work at all and have cash handed to them by the state.

I have absolutely no problem with people planning their lives and making themselves financially secure, or making sacrifices and the family living on one salary while the other parent stays at home to mind the children. That's their choice and doesn't affect the tax-payer at all. In fact the one spouse/parent who is entirely providing for the family should be given better tax-allowances than they currently are. A young (or any age) family choosing to entirely live off the state is another matter.

January

dame wrote: »

The lady in question did give her circumstances. She works in a shop. She is finding it hard to continue in her current role, as it stands. She is not interested in approaching management about altering her work slightly in order for her to continue working. Nor is she interested in finding an alternative temporary job until the baby is born. She intends to give up work altogether, go on the dole and remain on the dole for a few years, at which stage she may decide to go to college. She is absolutely not interested in any advice if it does not involve pointing her in the direction of some form she can fill in to claim additional allowances or money from the state. She is choosing all of this. She could work. She doesn't want to. She could go to college next september but again she doesn't want to. She wants to sit on her behind at home and have everyone else who is working provide for her and her child.

By the way adrienne___x, there is no such thing as a "single mother's allowance", so nobody is entitled to that. And adrienne____x, there are community childcare facilities out there which would be happy to look after her child for a nominal fee if it meant she would find work or go to college and get herself a useful qualification. In fact there are childcare facilities in some so-called "disadvantaged areas" that will mind her child for very little or even for free and won't even require her to be in a training program or working.

You get lone parent payments, excuse me for calling it "single mother allowance".

the_syco

dame: are you a man or a woman?

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Oh, and it usually works out cheaper if one parent stays at home, because if both work, and the child is minded at a daycare centre, they'll have less money than if one parent stayed at home.

dame

the_syco wrote: »

dame: are you a man or a woman?

Why?

Blk150

dame wrote: »

The lady in question did give her circumstances. She works in a shop. She is finding it hard to continue in her current role, as it stands. She is not interested in approaching management about altering her work slightly in order for her to continue working. Nor is she interested in finding an alternative temporary job until the baby is born. She intends to give up work altogether, go on the dole and remain on the dole for a few years, at which stage she may decide to go to college. She is absolutely not interested in any advice if it does not involve pointing her in the direction of some form she can fill in to claim additional allowances or money from the state. She is choosing all of this. She could work. She doesn't want to. She could go to college next september but again she doesn't want to. She wants to sit on her behind at home and have everyone else who is working provide for her and her child.

By the way adrienne___x, there is no such thing as a "single mother's allowance", so nobody is entitled to that. And adrienne____x, there are community childcare facilities out there which would be happy to look after her child for a nominal fee if it meant she would find work or go to college and get herself a useful qualification. In fact there are childcare facilities in some so-called "disadvantaged areas" that will mind her child for very little or even for free and won't even require her to be in a training program or working.

You madam are a cold hearted Bi**h:cool:

BanzaiBk

Yeah I read that thread but declined to comment because in reality we do not know the entire situation. I think you are overreacting a little considering that we only know what the woman told us via the internet, which counts for nothing really. In general though, I wouldn't condone "sponging" by young expectant mothers but who am I to judge. I've never been in that situation. Also, I think Adrienne___x is reffering to Lone Parent payments.

dame

Blk150 wrote: »

You madam are a cold hearted Bi**h:cool:

Was that an insult disguised with a "cool" smiley? Mods!!!! Now where's the crying-face smiley.......

Blk150

dame wrote: »

Was that an insult disguised with a "cool" smiley? Mods!!!! Now where's the crying-face smiley.......

Get the mods.See what happens:)Oh and i forgot you are also a ****.

dame

Blk150 wrote: »

Get the mods.See what happens:)Oh and i forgot you are also a ****.

Bye bye Blk150........

K_P

The poster in that thread mentioned nothing about council housing or how long she intended not working. There you are up on your high horse OP, but that woman is a taxpayer too.

If you want to save society and fight abuses in the world, there are plenty other causes out there a bit more worthy than attacking a single mother looking for some advice.

eth0_

Locking this thread. It has nothing to do with work & jobs. dame - lighten up, this is the internet.

nesf

dame, do not drag arguments from Parenting onto here after you get banned from there.