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WE P08 (Luger) discussion
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18-01-2008 9:07pm#1
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Cheers guys, glad y'all liked it
For some reason though I have no immediate urge to shoot it (still havent ordered any gas for it, I assume 134a will do the trick?) its enough fun to play around with, foddle etc without the need for shootin'
When I do shoot it I'll edit my review to input that data.0 -
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Cheers Topper
I havent sourced any grips yet, they are damn expensive! :eek: Thinking of making my own at some stage, need to get a cheuqering tool though, but until then I aged the plastic ones a little, painted and sealed them, they turned out ok, and a hell of a lot better than the black!
I also messed about with the finish a little, I'll get some pics up later.0 -
CroppyBoy1798 wrote: »Cheers Topper
I havent sourced any grips yet, they are damn expensive! :eek: Thinking of making my own at some stage, need to get a cheuqering tool though, but until then I aged the plastic ones a little, painted and sealed them, they turned out ok, and a hell of a lot better than the black!
I also messed about with the finish a little, I'll get some pics up later.
You can find grips on ebay, I was looking at some today.0 -
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Yep, I had the pin come loose and the roller fall off!
Its an issue with them, it came off once, but now I check it every so often and if the pin has creeped out a little I slide it back into place using the side plate (as its hard to get your finger in there.
Perhaps 'thread lock' or the likes would sort it?
Cheers for the heads up on the grips Motosam
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CroppyBoy1798 wrote: »Yep, I had the pin come loose and the roller fall off! Its an issue with them, it came off once, but now I check it every so often and if the pin has creeped out a little I slide it back into place using the side plate (as its hard to get your finger in there.
Perhaps 'thread lock' or the likes would sort it?
Cheers for the heads up on the grips Motosam
http://www.airsoftforum.com/board/index.php?showtopic=105693
New review /\ It mentions the issue with that part falling out, and yes suggests threadlock.
http://ww2aa.proboards45.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gun&thread=1201456186&page=1
/\ Guiness's review, he does very good ones.0 -
Here's a few pics of my WE P08 now, I done the 'Guinness' technique on the grips, ie painting them
, they'll do for now, better than black anyway! As for the finish of the gun metal, well, I want to find something better for that.
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Cheers for the comments guys. With regard to Guinness's guide to aging and painting the grips, I cant find it! Darn, I cant remember what forum I got it off. Its basically a process of sanding down the grip with very fine, maybe 400 grit sandpaper and giving them a rub of 000 wire wool, just to give the paint a key. Add a few gouges, dents, etc etc with a file, dremel, whatever you think best, but make sure and 'soften' out these gouges with some wire wool as realisticaly over time they would be softened by handling. Also, on mine I sanding down the chequering on the edges of the grips to simulate where the grips would have been handled most.
The paint you use is acrylic, pick and choose as you want, mix different browns, blacks etc to get a color you like best. Add a good coating and wipe down with a rag, so that the paint sits in the low areas of the chequering, let that dry and add another coat, again wipe off excess. By wiping you are exposing the very tip of the chequering, so it shows as black, which gives it a more 'aged' look. Once you are happy with the color and number of coats, let it dry and then seal it with a spray on laquer or varnish, with a matt or satin finish if possible, glossy wouldnt look right.
Brought her out yesterday for a bit of a shoot, filled the mag with gas and bb's, popped the mag in, pull the trigger and POOF.......a big cloud of gas!
Never had that before, so, again, filled the mag with gas, popped it in and yet again.....POOF!!, another cloud of gas, so at this stage I figured something was amiss
Stripped her down and realised there was something rattling about in the piston thingy. So, stripped that down lastnight and it seems theres a little nozzle inside that which has a screw holding it in place, but, after a lot of use the nozzle (which has pressure put on it by a spring) has forced itself past the screwand so is shaking about freely, hence the sudden escape of gas. I'll try get some pics later to explain better, 'should' be an easy fix I hope, but just so you know should it happen to any of you, could be the next problem after the roller wheel
Ok, here's a few pics, I expect this will happen, given time to other WE P08 owners, so this might be of some help. My Luger hasnt been used 'that' much, hasnt been abused (although it looks otherwise) has been kept well cleaned and well lubed, it was a cheap plastic part that failed, as I mentioned, in the piston:
(note the red arrow pointing to the screw on top which is the cause of the problem)
The part that failed was the nozzle type piece inside the piston:
I did a rough 'section' view of the piston, as seen below. As you can see, the screw which goes through the top keeps the nozzle in place, keeps pressure on it (from the spring) and prevents it from moving about freely. But as there is a lot of pressure on this piece, and its only stopper is a small screw, it has forced its way past the screw
As can be seen below, the plastic has been 'eaten' right through in one spot and has started to go at the opposite side. Also note the 'rings', these are from the nozzle spinning and being marked by the threads of the screw:
As for the remedy I dont know, anyone have any suggestions? I was thinking maybe sanding it down a little (ie until the rings were gone) then sticking a new 'plate' onto it, perhaps a metal one? Or using a longer screw which would by pass the holes.
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CroppyBoy1798 wrote: »Cheers for the comments guys. With regard to Guinness's guide to aging and painting the grips, I cant find it!
Here you go
http://ww2aa.proboards45.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gun&thread=1201456186&page=1
Nice job you did on yours. It really does have to be done to complete the Luger look.0 -
CroppyBoy1798 wrote: »Cheers for the comments guys. With regard to Guinness's guide to aging and painting the grips, I cant find it! Darn, I cant remember what forum I got it off. Its basically a process of sanding down the grip with very fine, maybe 400 grit sandpaper and giving them a rub of 000 wire wool, just to give the paint a key. Add a few gouges, dents, etc etc with a file, dremel, whatever you think best, but make sure and 'soften' out these gouges with some wire wool as realisticaly over time they would be softened by handling.
:eek:
dont touch your gun with 400 paper!, thats really rough and will leave swirl marks all over it and will look sh*te,
if its to dull it a bit then just use a soft scotch pad and go easy with it, as for ageing the metal, put the pistol in a bag with a bicycle chain and shake it like mad, the chain will give you the aging effect without having any sharp bits to gouge into the frame or anything.,:)
EDIT:
a luger with a suppressor.,LOL
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Well after a good search of everywhere I had my gun, I'm pretty sure I lost that pin and spring. I am pretty annoyed at this. Now my take down lever keeps opening. (In fact, last night it opened and I didn't realise, the whole gun fell apart. Luckily I was able to reassemble it)
Does anyone know where I can find replacement parts such as the spring and pin I lost?
Ah, pity to hear that! I did the exact same thing, so dont feel too bad! Luckily it was the spring that got away from me, the pin I saved! The pin and spring are literally just sitting in a drilled holed in the take down lever so when you pull it out, unless you are totally prepared to catch them, you'll lose em! I spent about an hour on my floor with a big magnet trying to find the spring, but no luck
Anyway, what I did was, looked for another spring in places where I thought I might find a similar one. Turned out I had an old walkman lying about which had a spring of the same diameter in it! It was a little longer, but thats good, as it kept the takedown lever more secure. Have a look about, you'd be surprised where you'd find little springs! Also, for the pin, its only about 3mm or so long. A cut down nail or pin may do the job, just round off the head well so as to allow the lever to rotate.0 -
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Ya, ist wunderbar!
Mein deutch ist sheiser.
Anyway, right now, I have a luger and two mags in a luger replica holster on my belt,
oh yes.
Ok out of the box need to know:
The hammer is internal, it must be cocked to remove or insert the magazine, as it sits into a recess in the mag when at rest, WE tech have this, as do Tanaka, make sure to have a cocked pistol when loading or removing the mag or you may damage the hammer loading, nay, WILL break the hammer forcibly loading/unloading it when not cocked.
The main Pin at the very back, which the toggle pivots on, is held in BY FRICTION ALONE, pop it out, and the little disk on one side, put the pin back in, use threadlock to hold in the disk and the pin in the disk, if this was a screw bolt there wouldnt be an issue, but meh, use screwlock.
If you remove the take down handle, YOU WILL lose a little nub and spring in the take down lever, be careful and remember, you DO NOT need to remove the take down handle to remove the upper receiver and barrel, they are only a bit stiff, be gentle and careful.
Now, to fire, and thanks to KD, chrono!
I will test with .2, .23, .25 and post results in KD's thread on gbb barrel length, fps, joules and their relation to bb weight and time in barrel.
Danke shoin, auf wiedersein!
I apologise to all german speakers whose language I have just butchered.0 -
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