CIT or UCC

pinky07

Which is better????

cheerio

That obviously depends on what course you want to do.

Heisenberg.

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dudara

I went to UCC for 9 years and taught in the CIT for 2 years.

UCC is a university (1st or 2nd best in the country), and going there puts a great name on your CV as well as opening up some network doors.

CIT is a great IT, and offers a different variety of courses to UCC. Some of the courses on offer are the best in their field.

As others have said, both have their positives. It all depends on the course that you're interested in.

RAFC

I'm having a bit of a dilema myself about that one, not me really, my son. He wants to be an accountant and has been told CIT is a better option for him. He will only be 17 going, if that makes a difference.

Anyone with an opinion on this? Would love some feedback from anyone who has done the course.

Thanks a mil

Kidd-o

God i wish i knew which was better, im currently in st. Johns cause i was 2 stuburn to take my 2nd choice...

They're both meant to be brilliant for science (what im gonna study) but past students of CIT and UCC tell me employers are more likely to employ CIT graduates with the same qualification as UCC graduates as CIT have (or had) a tendency to do more practical lab work!

TJJP

dudara wrote: »

UCC is a university (1st or 2nd best in the country).

Eh? Dudara, can you give a source to back that up? Wouldn't have ranked UCC that high myself on the basis of THES or JiaoTong, which while not the best guides are an indicator.

OP, in terms of choice, very much depends what you want to do. You are lucky in Cork you have two very good institutions to choose from.

RAFC

RAFC wrote: »

I'm having a bit of a dilema myself about that one, not me really, my son. He wants to be an accountant and has been told CIT is a better option for him. He will only be 17 going, if that makes a difference.

Anyone with an opinion on this? Would love some feedback from anyone who has done the course.

Thanks a mil

I don't know if it the same in CIT but I have a number of friends who studied accounting in AIT despite getting the points for University. Because in the end they had to do less professional exams.

run_Forrest_run

dudara wrote: »

UCC is a university (1st or 2nd best in the country), and going there puts a great name on your CV as well as opening up some network doors.

typical response from a UCC grad:D But you do have a point, I work in Cork (went to WIT) and there seems to be an old boys club going on with UCC heads...they can't seem to ever let go of the fact that they went to UCC. Anyway, where I work (an IT company) I have noticed we are hiring far more CIT grads than UCC, I think ITs tend to be better for practical hands on experience and in the software industry that is an advantage.

bill_ashmount

I went to both.

I found UCC to be full of twats and CIT to be full of more normal people.*
The talent was way better in UCC though.
It really does depend on what career you want to pursue. Both colleges have their positives.



*Massive over-generalisation

RAFC

Thanks Moonbaby - wouldn't it be great if that was the case, less exams has to be bonus. especially when studying ain't his forte

BanzaiBk

TJJP wrote: »

Eh? Dudara, can you give a source to back that up? Wouldn't have ranked UCC that high myself on the basis of THES or JiaoTong, which while not the best guides are an indicator.

OP, in terms of choice, very much depends what you want to do. You are lucky in Cork you have two very good institutions to choose from.

IIRC hasn't it won Uni of the year more than once in the past while?

bill_ashmount wrote: »

I went to both.

I found UCC to be full of twats and CIT to be full of more normal people.*
The talent was way better in UCC though.
It really does depend on what career you want to pursue. Both colleges have their positives.
*Massive over-generalisation

I'd agree with this. I went to UCC, loved my time there. Will more than likely go back to do my masters. A lot of my friends went/go to CIT and tbqh it's a better "team" kinda place, very friendly and always something on. When I was in UCC I had the lawsoc and stuff but beyond that it was a stuck up, distant kind of place.

TJJP

BanzaiBk wrote: »

IIRC hasn't it won Uni of the year more than once in the past while?

Haven't they all... (-:

On Accountancy, if AIT is in the mix, look at DCU too. Great business school there, in particular recognised for accountancy.

RubyXI

If you want to get a job quickly out of the course, i'd advise CIT. People who go to UCC often end up doing alot of courses. They may be very knowledgable but they wont be earning a proper wage till they're 30.

BanzaiBk

TJJP wrote: »

Haven't they all... (-:

On Accountancy, if AIT is in the mix, look at DCU too. Great business school there, in particular recognised for accountancy.

What? They definitly won it in 2003/2004 anyway.

phi3 wrote: »

If you want to get a job quickly out of the course, i'd advise CIT. People who go to UCC often end up doing alot of courses. They may be very knowledgable but they wont be earning a proper wage till they're 30.

lol massive generalisation. I'm graduated 6 months and am earning a proper wage along with countless other graduates in different areas.

RubyXI

yes, its ageneralisation. Of course its not true for everyone. But i have seen alot of cases of it.

dudara

TJJP wrote: »

Eh? Dudara, can you give a source to back that up? Wouldn't have ranked UCC that high myself on the basis of THES or JiaoTong, which while not the best guides are an indicator.

I am referring to the Sunday Times University rankings which placed UCC 1st in 2003-2004 and 2005-2006. UCC competes mainly with Trinity for placing in these ranking systems.

TBH I found UCC to be a great home for me while I was there. The academic staff in my department were supportive and I just loved the ambience of UCC. It has changed recently with the moved to semesterisation and so on.

I would never have compared CIT and UCC in terms of 'posers' etc. Thats just seems like a reason to me to justify your choice when your choice should be based on academic standards.

kmick

All I know is CIT is more structured in general. More 9-5 and roll calls in class etc. As far as I understand there are penaltys for not turning up to class.

Where I went to UCC I hardly ever went to class but still got an honours degree.

I imagine either will prvide with good opportunites if you are in the top 5 in your class.

I sounds a lot like school days to me in CIT but as I never went there so I may be talking through my hat.

My recomendation is that if you can afford it go abroad to the UK. Better courses for less points and a far better college experience as you are away from home.

Heisenberg.

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dudara

The Scientist wrote: »

Can i ask what you were doing in UCC for 9 years?

Degree in Physics and PhD in Electrical & Electronic Engineering. I saw UCC from the side of both student and staff.

Kidd-o

bill_ashmount wrote: »

I went to both.

I found UCC to be full of twats and CIT to be full of more normal people.*
The talent was way better in UCC though.
It really does depend on what career you want to pursue. Both colleges have their positives.



*Massive over-generalisation

couldnt get over the girls in UCC it was mental, could not been seen with out their A&F or UGGs & cantos!!

*SHUDDER*

but i dont judge!

Illkillya

I went to UCC and enjoyed the laid back atmosphere, nice campus, great facilities, and location nearer to the city centre. I visited my friends in CIT and it felt more like a big secondary school - e.g., lecturers taking attendance every morning (some lecturers took attendance in UCC but it didn't make a difference in my course if you never showed up till the exams).

In the world of work, I have experienced a preference among employers towards a national university than an institute of technology. Whether it is true or not I feel that the general perception among the public is that graduates from a university are superior. In my own experience, I find that graduates in Institutes of Technology work harder and end up knowing more, because some of them must maintain a certain grade average over the year, and they have to attend all their classes, etc. Might not apply in the case of CIT.

I think UCC is a better choice overall, but it may depend on the course you're doing, and your reasons for doing it.

Agamemnon

I was at CIT for a few months and UCC for a few years and I'd prefer UCC. As others have said though, it all comes down to the course.

bill_ashmount wrote: »

The talent was way better in UCC though.

No arguing with this. I don't think you'll find anywhere in Cork with a higher concentration of babes than the UCC campus.

blow69

I go to CIT.I think its a good college with people who are normal and not trying to be something they're not(Not that UCC are but you do find a good few)
Of course UCC looks nicer but it is a university afterall and gets more funding.
But as previously mentioned, it really depends on the course you're doing!

razorblunt

I'm in CIT having left UCC after a year and a half, much prefer CIT, ok the pressure from lectures is not suited for everyone but I found in UCC the lecturers dont give a toss about you and dont even recognise you if they pass you in the corridor.

But ultimately it comes down to what you want to do and what approach you prefer. I have heard that Accounting is better in CIT and prospective employers have close links with that course.

Oafley Jones

RAFC wrote: »

I'm having a bit of a dilema myself about that one, not me really, my son. He wants to be an accountant and has been told CIT is a better option for him. He will only be 17 going, if that makes a difference.

Anyone with an opinion on this? Would love some feedback from anyone who has done the course.

Thanks a mil

Went to both myself. Two years in the CIT and six in UCC. For accountancy, you're better off in UCC. Even if the courses are better in CIT. There is a huge bias against the ITs from the Big Four and certain banks as well.

However, when it comes to engineering, I know that CIT is superior in terms of course structure and i'd recommend it over UCC. Not sure how employers view it though.

Personally, I felt that CIT was too much like secondary school, I couldn't believe they took roll-call at the start of classes. Futhermore the campus is very poor in relation to UCC (But it has got a lot better since I was there).

Kold

Crawford is the win. Our accounting dept might disappoint though.

all_smilz

never been to cit but i can say that ucc can be both impersonal and rigid, i was doing arts and it was fine and there are loads of clubs but im doing nursing now and wish it was in an it.... theres a LOT of BS attached to ucc and its nice to be able to say i will have a nui degree but the hassle and fallacy is NOT worth it at times....

razorblunt

Afraid to say that i dont think the campus in CIT has gotten better, lectures in prefabs are gone but the new building seems to be vastly underused.

Balmed Out

Ucc Better location, easier to get to, far better talent, far better campus, shorter hours, less work, university rather then IT on your cv.
CIT Friendlier staff and students. People tend to make more good friends then in UCC. Just because its an IT i doesnt mean the qualifications arent as good. In anything more practical - computers, engineering etc they tend to be better courses while in the business area UCC seems better.

Gauge

It can depend on what course you're doing. I'm in CIT and they rarely take attendance at my classes, if ever.

Fysh

Kold wrote: »

Crawford is the win. Our accounting dept might disappoint though.

Most sensible reply to this whole thread, I reckon.

The variety of reasons people have chimed in with to justify why the college they went to are entertaining to say the least, although I feel compelled to say that if you think you need attendance to be taken in order to "force" you to go to lectures, you should probably rethink your reasons for being in Higher Education...

Anyway, back to the argument about whether the average increase in hotness of the female contingent in UCC is offset by their collective fascination with handbags. Or whatever stupid crap it was that this thread has ended up being a discussion of...

Jack B. Badd

Kidd-o wrote: »

couldnt get over the girls in UCC it was mental, could not been seen with out their A&F or UGGs & cantos!!

Man, I feel old and crap since I don't know what any of those things are, except for the cantos and I have a feeling I've got the wrong context...

deRanged

Fysh wrote: »

The variety of reasons people have chimed in with to justify why the college they went to are entertaining to say the least,

deeply depressing I'd have said (as a fan of education and learning)

maybe at some point someone will want education related information.

all_smilz

Jack B. Badd wrote: »

Man, I feel old and crap since I don't know what any of those things are, except for the cantos and I have a feeling I've got the wrong context...

i dont know what cantos are

they must b the comm babes or possibly student nurses, fellow student nurses......... groan.... uggs? ugh!

RoundyMooney

I'm curious now, I thought a canto was the guy who led the singing in a synagogue.

all_smilz

RoundyMooney wrote: »

I'm curious now, I thought a canto was the guy who led the singing in a synagogue.

and I thought it was what dubs call that mad french former man utd player........

Jack B. Badd

The dictionary.com definition of a canto is one of the main or larger divisions of a long poem with cantos being the plural, which is the only definition I know of the word. I'm guessing it doesn't apply to Kidd-o's post unless they're English lit students.

stev2604

Their those Canterbury sweatpants that almost everyone seems to wear.

Blitzkrieger

kmick wrote: »

All I know is CIT is more structured in general. More 9-5 and roll calls in class etc. As far as I understand there are penaltys for not turning up to class.

There is and there isn't. A lot of lads that were on grants were told that if they didn't go to class their grant would be stopped. It happened to one guy I knew and I haven't seen him since. If you do badly on an assignment or turn one in late the lecturers used to go easier on you if you had high attendance, rather than go out of their way for someone who doesn't even bother showing up to class.

I went to CIT - In the CAO/CAS form I put it down as my first choice and UCC as my second. My careers guidence teacher thought I was mad but the simple fact was that everybody I knew who was going to UCC was miserable. I've known people who really enjoyed themselves at UCC but anybody I've known who went to both prefers the social scene at CIT. In terms of course work - comparing my experience with a friend who went to UCC at the same time - CIT had a lot more supervised lab time which was vital in some subjects.

In terms of the 'old boys club' I think it depends who's hiring you. I've heard people say a degree from UCC is worth more than a degree from CIT, but in reality people who went to CIT tend to favor people from CIT and people who went to UCC tend to favor people from UCC.

JXP99

Both CIT and UCC are excellent we should be proud to have both of them here in Cork

Big Tone

Obviously depends on what you want to study, UCC for disciplines such as Law and Medicine etc CIT for Engineering and other faculties.

RAFC

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Went to both myself. Two years in the CIT and six in UCC. For accountancy, you're better off in UCC. Even if the courses are better in CIT. There is a huge bias against the ITs from the Big Four and certain banks as well.

However, when it comes to engineering, I know that CIT is superior in terms of course structure and i'd recommend it over UCC. Not sure how employers view it though.

Personally, I felt that CIT was too much like secondary school, I couldn't believe they took roll-call at the start of classes. Futhermore the campus is very poor in relation to UCC (But it has got a lot better since I was there).

Thanks Oafley Jones for that, CAO done, he has opted for UCC first choice, so fingers crossed - now all he needs are the points to get there