Obama or McCain?

GA361

Who is gonna win,the Republicans or the Democrates?
Personally I hope McCain wins,I agree with his conservative policies.

Tear in the eye Hillary,don't think so.

Obama seems to be a border-line racist,and his name rhyms with Osama.So you know you can't trust him!

Will the democrates be split over Hilary and Obama?
Will racial tensions rise in the U.S when Obama does not win?etc.

Who knows!

Voice YOUR opinion.Who's going to be the next U.S president?

JeanClaude

All i really know is, Fox News desperately wants Obama to win the Democratic nomination, they (Fox, the GOP) don't want to be battling Hillary in November, i think they believe Obama would be an easier opponent. Just watching Fox's coverage before during and since the New Hampshire primary they (Sean Hannity, Bill o and of course the Clinton's favorite Dick Morris:D) couldn't hide their excitement at Hillary's immanent defeat, stating "she had to pull out if she lost" also gleefully proclaiming her campaign hadn't a penny to it's name. You could nearly see the blood drain from their faces as the results were coming in (it nearly broke them to confirm her as the winner), Hannity then changed his tune by stating it wasn't really a great win by Hillary as "she was 20 points up in the poll's 2 months ago" not mentioning that she was down 10 points just 24 hours previous.
The following day,there was barely a mention of Hillary's win,they instead decided to concentrate on Obama getting a few endorsements, McCain's win etc etc etc,
Why do they want Obama as opponent in November? it's because the one thing that strikes the fear of God in ordinary Americans is another 9/11 type attack: If Obama was the Democratic nominee, the Republican party would let him bask in the glow of his victory for a few weeks and then just before the election they would scare the American public into voting for the Republican candidate, by stating that Obama's inexperience would leave America vulnerable to attack, they can't really play the inexperience card with Hillary, and the Republicans know that making National Security the number 1 issue in November, is the only chance they have to beat the Democratic nominee.
Thats just my view on the subject, for what it's worth.

Mr.Micro

I have posted before on other threads asking what experience does a candidate need to be President? Its not as if you have to run the country on your own. If George did it for 2 terms then anyone can only improve on that. It is quite a way to go and the front runners might still be upstaged. McCain I think is just there because there is little quality to choose from in the Republican ranks, and he is trading on his past opposition to Bush and Iraq and being a war veteran. The latter did not work for John Kerry in the last election. Obama and Clinton is too close to call IMO. In the end its the type of administration that makes the difference and what the foreign policy is. Cheney is the real power in the current administration, and Bush, as was once cited, was only a heartbeat away from being president.

Manic Moran

Mr.Micro wrote: »

The latter did not work for John Kerry in the last election.

Slightly different apple and orange comparison here. Kerry's time ended in country early at his own request (Yes, he was allowed to make the request after three injuries but there's still the perception of leaving early), his service only lasted a few years, and after he got home, he acted in a manner which didn't endear him too much to many servicemen. Throwing his awards back is not an act of loyalty to the military, for example. Finally, the populace were bombarded with a sudden onslaught of "Look! I was in Vietnam!" because, frankly, nobody knew about it, and this caused a backlash much in the same way as Giuliani's 9/11 linking.

McCain put in a full career in the Navy, over 20 years, and has never done anything to negate his time in. Further, there is no need for him to promote his military service as everyone and his uncle knows about it, has known about it for years, and it's completely untouchable.

NTM

Tommy T

I'm addicted to this race. I've been watching all the live debates(The ABC two debates in one night was engrossing) and Meet the Press on NBC on Sundays.

Both Democrats are excellent candidates. I think the republicans would rather face Obama as Hillary has faced down an immense amount of attacks down the years and is alive to tell the tale. Obama hasn't been targetted by the GOP machine. He could fold once the muck starts flying.

However the Dem race is really too close to call.

On the republican side Rudy hasd made a fundamental mistake in delaying his entrance into the presedings. He's been nearly forgotton about and in the latest polls he's a distan 4th on 15% while McCain is flying high on 28%(doubling his support in a few months. But the man to watch for me is the Christian Fundamentalist Huckabee. I can see him splitting McCain and romney and taking over.

My call is Clinton V Huckabee and Hill and Bill to take back over the Oval Office. But there's alot of twists and turns before this electoral campaign is over. Sit back and enjoy the ride...

Kev_ps3

GA361 wrote: »

Who is gonna win,the Republicans or the Democrates?
Personally I hope McCain wins,I agree with his conservative policies.

Tear in the eye Hillary,don't think so.

Obama seems to be a border-line racist,and his name rhyms with Osama.So you know you can't trust him!

Will the democrates be split over Hilary and Obama?
Will racial tensions rise in the U.S when Obama does not win?etc.

Who knows!

Voice YOUR opinion.Who's going to be the next U.S president?

:rolleyes:

Kev_ps3

JeanClaude wrote: »

All i really know is, Fox News desperately wants Obama to win the Democratic nomination, they (Fox, the GOP) don't want to be battling Hillary in November, i think they believe Obama would be an easier opponent. Just watching Fox's coverage before during and since the New Hampshire primary they (Sean Hannity, Bill o and of course the Clinton's favorite Dick Morris:D) couldn't hide their excitement at Hillary's immanent defeat, stating "she had to pull out if she lost" also gleefully proclaiming her campaign hadn't a penny to it's name. You could nearly see the blood drain from their faces as the results were coming in (it nearly broke them to confirm her as the winner), Hannity then changed his tune by stating it wasn't really a great win by Hillary as "she was 20 points up in the poll's 2 months ago" not mentioning that she was down 10 points just 24 hours previous.
The following day,there was barely a mention of Hillary's win,they instead decided to concentrate on Obama getting a few endorsements, McCain's win etc etc etc,
Why do they want Obama as opponent in November? it's because the one thing that strikes the fear of God in ordinary Americans is another 9/11 type attack: If Obama was the Democratic nominee, the Republican party would let him bask in the glow of his victory for a few weeks and then just before the election they would scare the American public into voting for the Republican candidate, by stating that Obama's inexperience would leave America vulnerable to attack, they can't really play the inexperience card with Hillary, and the Republicans know that making National Security the number 1 issue in November, is the only chance they have to beat the Democratic nominee.
Thats just my view on the subject, for what it's worth.

I dispise Fox news, so I will be happy if Clinton wins!:)

lostexpectation

ron paul got 6% he beat thompson and guiliani ! ha

looking at the ron paul headlines, classic one

ron paul makes the cnn pie chart...

Tommy T

Like most Libertarians I've come acros Ron Paul is very intollerant of opposing view points. He's using the Republican Party as a convenient vehicle to promote his off the wall economic policies.

He's an interesting sideshow I suppose...

forkassed

I know paul can be seen as closed minded economically but in fairness he is the only one out of the lot of them repub or democrat that has a clue on economics..

ie,
a clip of him handing ben bernanke his ass on a platter with regard to the fed lowering interest rates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAwvlDJgJbM


and its not hard to understand why people quickly paint him as a nutcase when the mainstream media treat him like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jZTd9j6_yg

jonny72

Just a heads up for the token voting machines which are gonna be all 'glitching' up and winning votes Republican style..

http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2008/01/john_kane

Jesus Wept

Was the 2004 election stolen?

rollerderby

Rusfeld and Cheney have heaps of experience and boy have they royally messed up America.

Image having a canidate who hasn't been completely corrupted, who doesn't own hundreds of corporations 'favors'...obama is a glass of water for a shriveled dehydrated America.

User45701

Sorry i keep asking this but can someone please explain to me why they want Mccain to win? i have asked why someone would want him to win but could someone explain why he is so good? i dont see it, actually he may be something to fear

Manic Moran

Everyone loves to blame the voting machines. Apparently there are claims from the Obama camp that Diebold are to blame for Hillary's win in New Hampshire.

NTM

Tommy T

User45701 wrote: »

Sorry i keep asking this but can someone please explain to me why they want Mccain to win? i have asked why someone would want him to win but could someone explain why he is so good? i dont see it, actually he may be something to fear

I suppose people(his supporters) view him as a National Hero. Someone who won't panic in times of crisis. A safe pair of hands...

User45701

Tommy T wrote: »

I suppose people(his supporters) view him as a National Hero. Someone who won't panic in times of crisis. A safe pair of hands...

After not getting a answer i had a look around, a few sites/people with similar views on him.

****.

If you dont know why iim saying **** then just wait.

Manic Moran

He's pretty moderate. He's got a track record of not following the Party Line, and is willing to work with the opposition: He was a key leader of the "Gang of 14" during the Supreme Court nominations process, for example. He's viewed as a RINO/Betrayer by the further right, but someone who can compromise and get things done by centrists. Further, one does not hit O-6 in the military without some practical competence (As opposed to political shennanigans!).

NTM

Tommy T

Manic Moran wrote: »

Further, one does not hit O-6 in the military

Sorry mate I don't understand that refference...

toiletduck

User45701 wrote: »

After not getting a answer i had a look around, a few sites/people with similar views on him.

****.

If you dont know why iim saying **** then just wait.

Maybe you can explain your dislike (fear?) of him? I think MM summed it up quite well, not to mention his opposition to torture which isn't really surprising given his past.

Boggles

You got to Love Fox news thou.

They do not want to face Clinton. The world were proclaiming Hilary the winner of NH at 10 o'clock, 9 hours later Fox news was still saying it was neck in neck. Brilliant.

Manic Moran

O-6: NATO Rank equivalency system. In US terms, it's a full-bird: Captain. Positions for this rank include commanding an aircraft carrier (Smaller ships are usually captained by Commanders), a carrier's air group, or a division of smaller vessels like cruisers. Army equivalent is Colonel, which in US terms is a Brigade Commander, of some 3,500 men.

NTM

banquo

lostexpectation wrote: »

ron paul makes the cnn pie chart...

Ha! made me smile

I reckon that hill would be the tougher candidate to beat come the october debates, I fear obama would be left too open to jibes at inexperience. Then again he's a fantastic public speaker and whoever writes his speeches and comments is very clever.

but it all depends on who vs who. Huckabee has a lot of charisma and his jokes aren't terrible. McCain looks like he can barely stand most of the time imo but he seems like a straight, smart, tough guy. I wouldn't complain if he won.

In the debates Thompson always looks like he's woken up just in time when the camera goes on him.

Ron paul is still my favorite though. He obviously has no lust for power and knows exactly what he wants. He's the only one at the republican table who speaks in numbers. He's the only man who seems to know anything about the economy, is specific about what he wants, has a good knowledge of foreign policy, etc. He's a legend. I'm really enthusiastic for him, nearly went mad last night when he placed 2nd in Nevada, however empty a victory it was.

moe_sizlak

User45701 wrote: »

Sorry i keep asking this but can someone please explain to me why they want Mccain to win? i have asked why someone would want him to win but could someone explain why he is so good? i dont see it, actually he may be something to fear

mc cain is an independant type of republican , which is why he is despised by many within it , fox news and there neo con masters hate mc cain as much as any democrat , tom delay a bush loyalist was on fox the other day trashing mc cain for having been so critical of donald rumsfeld

mc cain is liberal and resonable on the immigration issue , he and ted kennedy worked together on the recently proposed work towards citizenship deal
right wing talk radio destroyed it and almost killed mc cains career

he is the one republican who is appealing to all kinds of voters and is the one republican who could more than likely beat hillary
i wouldnt mind a gop win under mc cain

hes hawkish on the issue of global terror but a moderate in every other way