Attitude to guns

BryanL

it justy struck me yesterday how different peoples attitudes are to guns in Europe, when you can have skiing bi-athalon.
Mass starts with everyone having a gun and a few magazines on their backs,exhuasted people shooting from standing and prone.
Huge crowds watching and big cheers for every target knocked.
amazing isn't it
Bryan

meathstevie

I have the feeling it's more a town versus country thing in general. I grew up in a rural town about 15 miles from Brussels and the attitude in Ireland seems to be very much the same as it was in Belgium. For the average town and city dweller a gun is something that causes panic and an emergency call and for the average country folks a gun is as normal as lighting the fire on a cold day.

Feelgood

Guns are designed to kill, end of story really..

Wouldn't the world be a much happier place with them?.

IRLConor

Feelgood wrote: »

Guns are designed to kill, end of story really..

Not the one I shoot with. It's designed for making holes in paper and would probably be a right pain in the arse to hunt with. If you wanted to kill someone with it, you'd have a much easier time using an axe or a sodding great big knife.

Some animals need killing and guns happen to be a useful way of doing it.

Feelgood wrote: »

Wouldn't the world be a much happier place with them?

The world would probably be better off without the guns that are designed to kill people, but it's pretty hard to completely separate them from the ones that are useful for killing animals.

Rovi

Feelgood wrote: »

Wouldn't the world be a much happier place with them?.

I doubt that many here would disagree...

chem

I think its alot to do with how common guns are in public view. In switzerland people go shopping with a semi auto slung over the sholder. Noone passes a blind bit of difference as its an every day thing. On the way home from the range they just pop into the shop and thats that. In the UK every town had a range at on time. Marksmanship was seen as a title worth holding, as towns held compitetions against each other.

A relation of mine was home from the UK awhile back and was walking down the town with me awhile back. I realised that he wasnt beside me anymore so turned around to see him frozen 10Ft behind me. I asked him whats wrong? He said can you not see there are army lads outside the bank with guns??? It only then dawned on me that this would not be a common sight in the UK, where as here I would have just walked past them, without blinking. He later said he taught there was a robbery going on or hostage stand off

My point is that if you dont see a firearm outside TV and the way they are used on TV how can a city slicker know anything else about them. I have even noticed around my own home town lately, that I get looks while going out with my gun as there are alot of new people moving into it. Most from the Dublin area as house prices forced the move.

I used to be asked by locals for a rabbit on my way back from hunting, but now im met with a look of shock from a stranger, seeing a man with a gun.

Sign of the times I guess:rolleyes:

Dr Strange

Rovi wrote: »

I doubt that many here would disagree...

I lolled.

Anyway, spears kill too and you wouldn't ban javelins would you? @feelgood

Just wait a couple of years and the rifle will be just like the spear. Superceded by something more "efficient".

Manic Moran

meathstevie wrote: »

I have the feeling it's more a town versus country thing in general.

Very much so. At its root is the fear of the unfamiliar.
City Dwellers have no practical use for the things (what are they going to shoot, rats in the garage?) and no recreational use either. (Not much room for ranges in the city). Ergo, they have neither desire nor need to become familiar with them. Instead, the only exposure they ever get is negative, usually involving some local criminal activity.

Compare with the outside country where there can be both practical use (eg vermin control) and recreational facility. (I'll just go out back of my field here, and plink some cans). Neither event reaches the news very often, so cannot counter-balance the negative news seen by the city dwellers on their TV screens.

NTM

foxshooter243

Feelgood wrote: »

Guns are designed to kill, end of story really..

Wouldn't the world be a much happier place with them?.

Guns dont kill people.......people kill people.

dresden8

I hope feelgood doesn't eat his dinner tonight with a knife, the psychotic deranged maniac. Using a killing tool to eat the cooked flesh of a poor little chicken wicken.

avalanche

guns dont kill people...people kill people?

true but its a hell of a lot easier with a gun isnt it. guns are evil full stop.

According to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, and Tobacco (BAFT), around 4.37 million firearms are produced in the US every year. According to "Small Arms Survey 2001", it is estimated that at least 347 million small arms were produced worldwide between 1945 and 2000.

do you think its normal to arm people like this?

chem

I get the feeling we are been baited here

I`d also like to say that push peddlers on bikes , should stay on the roads as they are a danger to the public when they mount the path when it suits. Little boy lycra`s

dresden8

What are these people doing in this forum anyway? Why aren't they over on the archery forum calling for deadly weapons to be banned?

Shouldn't they be banned for trolling?

avalanche

I`d also like to say that push peddlers on bikes , should stay on the roads as they are a danger to the public when they mount the path when it suits. Little boy lycra`s

thats some sharp responding and to think you own a gun?depressing

Feelgood

IRLConor wrote: »

The world would probably be better off without the guns that are designed to kill people, but it's pretty hard to completely separate them from the ones that are useful for killing animals.

Well I don't agree with hunting / killing animals either, they have as much right to be here as you or I..

Guns were first conceived to harm human beings and this trait has continued since their very first creation. Nothing good can come from the use of a gun and I think if we look through the course of history, nothing good has come from a gun?....

Put it this way, if you young son or daughter fatally shot themselves in the head accidentally would you still think a the gun was a great object?. Would you even still hold onto that gun and go shotting with it??

Dr Strange

Feelgood wrote: »

Guns were first conceived to harm human beings and this trait has continued since their very first creation. Nothing good can come from the use of a gun and I think if we look through the course of history, nothing good has come from a gun?....

The bow came before the gun. Now its mainly used for sport (and hunting in some places). The rifle/gun is also used in sports. It will become more and more like the bow in future decades. It's not the tool that's causing the problem but the person using it and particularly the intention of that person.

chem

Feelgood.......Fellow ardee man? If a car killed your nearest and dearest would you continue to drive one? if your old enough to drive that is........get a grip lad:D you show your IQ and understanding by just being here posting foolish words. Take your ball home.

José Alaninho

I think it's stupid to allow ourselves to baited by these idiots. I don't have to justify my sport or my interests to anyone, they're mine, just like everyone else's.

Get a grip ffs :mad:

Feelgood

Your right, I'm slightly out of my league in a bloody shooting forum and can honestly say that I don't understand the sports side of shooting at all.

However a general question was posted what my attitude to guns would be and I have given my views. To me guns are used for two things:

a) Killing people or innocent animals
b) To make guys with small penises feel better about themselves and to make them feel like they have a pair of balls.

Dr Strange

Feelgood wrote: »

Your right, I'm slightly out of my league in a bloody shooting forum and can honestly say that I don't understand the sports side of shooting at all.

However a general question was posted what my attitude to guns would be and I have given my views. To me guns are used for two things:

a) Killing people or innocent animals
b) To make guys with small penises feel better about themselves and to make them feel like they have a pair of balls.

Ok, i replied to your questions (or some of them) in a civil manner. Your last post will be reported as it is a personal insult. Pity though.

José Alaninho

Feelgood wrote: »

Your right, I'm slightly out of my league in a bloody shooting forum and can honestly say that I don't understand the sports side of shooting at all.

However a general question was posted what my attitude to guns would be and I have given my views. To me guns are used for two things:

a) Killing people or innocent animals
b) To make guys with small penises feel better about themselves and to make them feel like they have a pair of balls.

Well, then, if we are so repulsive to you, why talk to us? That said, why am I talking to you? To be honest that's beneath me, as you clearly have no intelligent basis for your arguments.

MODS - IS TROLLING/BAITING NOT AGAINST THE CHARTER RULES?:mad:

Umiq88

Naive tbh :rolleyes:

If it were not for some people dedicated to the sport alot of farmers wouldnt be very happy foxes and pigeons and crows would be an epidemic they've nothing to cull them they'll just multiply place would be over run likewise with dear they've no natural predators over here and over poulate alot of the country causing dangers on the roads.

Im not going to disagree entirely there are plenty of firearms out there used in the wrong way purposefully for killing people but why penalised people who hunt and shoot legally we go to the bother to abide by the law and partake in the sport safefully and go under record. Its not us thats the problem its the criminals out there.

Im sure you'd feel different if your son or daughter had a car crach and was fatally killed from hitting a deer or fox or your business/livelyhood/premises was being damaged due to over populated animals

Feelgood

José Alaninho wrote: »

Well, then, if we are so repulsive to you, why talk to us? That said, why am I talking to you? To be honest that's beneath me, as you clearly have no intelligent basis for your arguments.

MODS - IS TROLLING/BAITING NOT AGAINST THE CHARTER RULES?:mad:

I'm not directing my views to anyone in particular at all nor am I trolling, thats my view on guns which was asked initially by the OP.

Last I checked everyone was entitled to an opinion....

José Alaninho

Feelgood wrote: »

I'm not directing my views to anyone in particular at all nor am I trolling, thats my view on guns which was asked initially by the OP.

Last I checked everyone was entitled to an opinion....

Yes, but you're not entitled to personally insult those with different said opinions. Yawn.

Feelgood

José Alaninho wrote: »

Yes, but you're not entitled to personally insult those with different said opinions. Yawn.

Its a personally insult that I find a piece of metal and some wood stupid??

avalanche

José Alaninho wrote: »

I think it's stupid to allow ourselves to baited by these idiots. I don't have to justify my sport or my interests to anyone, they're mine, just like everyone else's.

Get a grip ffs :mad:

where exactly does sport fit into it. interests that are harmful to others need to be justified.

Feelgood

Yep, I think it would be good for the gun lovers of this forum to explain the sport end of things to us pacifists. Whats the attraction with it??.

Dr Strange

avalanche wrote: »

where exactly does sport fit into it. interests that are harmful to others need to be justified.

There are alot of hobbies within sport and outside that can be potentially harmful. It does not need to be justified but regulated which it is. The regulations are there to protect the audience (public) and , of course, the sportsman/woman.

spideog7

:eek: How is that an insult ?
Nothing wrong with a small appendage, !!

To be honest if you have lady in the bed I think she'd be less than pleased if you pulled out a gun. Cause after that most of the lads here would proceed to ignore said lady

LegacyUser

Feelgood wrote: »

Guns are designed to kill, end of story really..

Wouldn't the world be a much happier place with them?.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

And no
We'd just find a diffrent way to cause harm... sticks? Stones? Bigger sticks?

Kryten

avalanche wrote: »

where exactly does sport fit into it. interests that are harmful to others need to be justified.

So how exactly does competitive target shooting, clay pigeon shooting and other Olympic games sports like these actually harm anybody.
Nobody has ever being killed in the sport of target shooting in this country. You are more likely to be killed in a boxing match or playing GAA Football.

Before you form an opinion on our sport, at least learn something about it. Some of us here dont like soccer or GAA, but we would certainly not rubbish it as a matter of course.
I am not a hunter, so I will not comment on that. Needless to say, what is the difference between going out and shooting a couple of pheasants, bringing them home. Preparing them and either cooking or freezing them.... or the poor ould commercially farmed chickens being kept in boxes all their short lives, being fed synthetic so called food riddled with antibiotocs, never seeing the light of day or getting any exercise, then being slaughtered for the shelves in the Supermarket.? One is animal cruelty.

The end result is the same. Dead bird which you eat. But the second case is far more cruel, do you not think?

As for firearms themselves. Harmless until you add the human with bad intentions. Sportsmen and women like us using guns have nothing in common with Criminals using guns .
Cars kill more people than any other man made object in the world. Should we class them as deadly weapons and ban them?

mike65

dresden8 wrote: »

What are these people doing in this forum anyway? Why aren't they over on the archery forum calling for deadly weapons to be banned?

Shouldn't they be banned for trolling?

No wonder people look askance at the shooting fraternity if this is the standard issue reaction.

Mike.

chem

lads go home, go to sleep and dream of meeting a girlfriend. Grow up and try talk about something you might understand some day (avalanche and feelgood and now mike65) night night your mammy will have your big brecky on da din din table for you in the morning. Dats if your not still on the breast

go try some other topic like "how does my mammys milk taste":D:D:p

avalanche

yeah youre right. best leave the hardman stuff to you eh?guns n roses.:cool: plus you have a girlfriend? amazing. you certainly have ticked all the manly boxes. fair play to you. you dont need your "mammys" breast milk as you are a t*t yourself - just swallow your saliva.

mike65

chem wrote: »

lads go home, go to sleep and dream of meeting a girlfriend. Grow up and try talk about something you might understand some day (avalanche and feelgood and now mike65) night night your mammy will have your big brecky on da din din table for you in the morning. Dats if your not still on the breast

go try some other topic like "how does my mammys milk taste":D:D:p

Plank.

Mike.

José Alaninho

This if f**king ridiculous. Think it's time this thread was closed as we can all see what it's descending into.

We should have no time for arguing with such entrenched ignorance.

chem

AH! poor you i Am worse for replying at this point but if your sitting infront of a computer of a sat night you must be one lonely man(boy). I have work tomorrow and I`d say you dont know what work is as daddy provides da readies and mammy da milk. Go put on your nice fitting skin tight wear and peddle your little trikey to the shops for your mammy:D:D she might not realise your a friend of bernies if you say your into bikes X

José Alaninho

WTF?

foxshooter243

Feelgood wrote: »

Its a personally insult that I find a piece of metal and some wood stupid??

" a fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity "

Sigmund Freud.

Rew

Right, I've never seen such tripe before why cann't people have a civil debate about this subject?

Chem your doing your sport no favours, banned for a week for getting personal. Sinking to the level of children is sad that goes for both sides.

Feelgood banned for one week. Your making sad wild generalisations not putting you point of view accroos in any meaningfull way. If you really think you are I thionk you need to rethink your tactics because noone is likly to take your seriously ATM. Im more then happy to let you debate it here but thats not what your doing.

Mike I know where your coming from but I don't think your contributing anything by coming in like that. 30k posts you should know better and "plank" is a personal insult.

As for avalanche you never actually made a point anywhere.

Resoanable debate is not difficult unless your views are so extreme that they cann't be deffended, at that point other tactics come in to play, many of which I see here. I welcome debate to this baord but I have no problem banning anyone that cannt keep it civil, shooter or not.