Bernard Dunne and Kiko Martinez

sligobhoy67

Right - what the hell is going on with this pair.

Dunne hasnt surfaced since getting steamrollered and I heard a very disturbing story last week that he was "allegedly" going about clubs in a drunken stated and inviting to have a go.

Kiko - hasnt had a fight since beating Dunne and made a holy show of himself over the McCullough debacle.

Anyone know whats going on with this pair?

jayroyal

I heard dunne is meant to be fighting in the stadium sometime in march

walshb

To be honest, who really cares about either. One is proven poor and the jury
is still out on the other....

Black Ball

I felt sorry for Dunne,.... its a tough pill to swallow for him.
hero to zero in 90 seconds.

if he is clubbin it up drunk and startin fights then i shall withdraw my sympathy with immediate effect.
thats the type of person i loathe, speaking of which :
i think golota is on the jones/trinidad undercard.
i hope golota gets his head punched clean off his shoulders.

also, Roman Karmazon (spelling) is also on the undercard.

sligobhoy67

walshb wrote: »

To be honest, who really cares about either. One is proven poor and the jury
is still out on the other....

I think Irish fight fans care - and joe-public that doesnt follow boxing like "us" cares and probably has only ever heard of him

Well Peters said that there was possibly a fight to be had between McCullough and Dunne.

I would like to see Dunne get another pop at Kiko - take it a bit more serious, hold his left up and stopping being so blasé - then we would see if he was well beat or just got caught cold.


And how long has Kiko got to defend his title before he loses it. Is Salem Bouaita the mandatory for it - Kiko has already beaten him!

menoscemo

Some of you know me from the Boxing forum so believe me when I say this is not made up...
Two of my mates were in a well known late night dublin drinking establishment last weekend and bumped into Mr Dunne...they were pretty drunk but he was paralytic. Anyway he was talking and joking with the bigger of the two guys, my other mate was at the bar. When the other guy (he is small-about the same size as BD) came over to talk to him, he out of the blue accused him of 'not respecting him'. Now my mate was pretty ripped but he looked like he was trying to pick a fight. This friend is not the fighting type so he just said that wasn't true, and ignored it.
Later in the night he was talking to Bernards Buddy's and he asked them were they his minders- they said they were just mates looking out for him as he is 'prone to getting in trouble'.....

That's what I know.

sligobhoy67

menoscemo wrote: »

Some of you know me from the Boxing forum so believe me when I say this is not made up...
Two of my mates were in a well known late night dublin drinking establishment last weekend and bumped into Mr Dunne...they were pretty drunk but he was paralytic. Anyway he was talking and joking with the bigger of the two guys, my other mate was at the bar. When the other guy (he is small-about the same size as BD) came over to talk to him, he out of the blue accused him of 'not respecting him'. Now my mate was pretty ripped but he looked like he was trying to pick a fight. This friend is not the fighting type so he just said that wasn't true, and ignored it.
Later in the night he was talking to Bernards Buddy's and he asked them were they his minders- they said they were just mates looking out for him as he is 'prone to getting in trouble'.....

That's what I know.

this wouldnt be "Club Diva" by any chance?

Nothingcompares

Bernard Dunne is going to be the next Mike Tyson, watch out Mountjoy prison.

Every time I met BD he seemed like a charming bright fellow who likes a gargle on the rare occasions he has one. Great bit of banter.

buck65

I reckon your mate would have probably taken him:D

menoscemo

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

this wouldnt be "Club Diva" by any chance?

No it was 'The Viper Rooms' on Wellington Quay.

menoscemo

buck65 wrote: »

I reckon your mate would have probably taken him:D

Yeah, that's what we were saying to him the next day. I heard the guy can't take a punch

walshb

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

I think Irish fight fans care - and joe-public that doesnt follow boxing like "us" cares and probably has only ever heard of him

Well Peters said that there was possibly a fight to be had between McCullough and Dunne.

I would like to see Dunne get another pop at Kiko - take it a bit more serious, hold his left up and stopping being so blasé - then we would see if he was well beat or just got caught cold.


And how long has Kiko got to defend his title before he loses it. Is Salem Bouaita the mandatory for it - Kiko has already beaten him!

Fight fans??

Do you mean those who were all fooled into
believing Dunne was the real deal or do you
mean fight fans like myself who have been
following the sport for years and who knew
Dunne was definitely NOT the real deal??

There are fight fans and there are band wagon supporters...

Dunne's fans are the latter.....

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

Fight fans??

Do you mean those who were all fooled into
believing Dunne was the real deal or do you
mean fight fans like myself who have been
following the sport for years and who knew
Dunne was definitely NOT the real deal??

There are fight fans and there are band wagon supporters...

Dunne's fans are the latter.....

Thats not fair Bren, i'm a massive Boxing fan and still support Bernard and think he might have something to offer, getting caught out like he did does not prove anything except he was a bit too cocky and he either cant take a punch or kiko just packs a massive punch,

either way-1 mistake does not prove you right and everyone else wrong! lets see how he responds to this loss, if its positive then great but if he becomes a journeyman then you stand corrected, either way i think you should support him anyway as he's 1 of your own, also bren-his style is not that different to your own back in your day, apart from the low hands!!

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Thats not fair Bren, i'm a massive Boxing fan and still support Bernard and think he might have something to offer, getting caught out like he did does not prove anything except he was a bit too y and he either cant take a punch or kiko just packs a massive punch,

either way-1 mistake does not prove you right and everyone else wrong! lets see how he responds to this loss, if its positive then great but if he becomes a journeyman then you stand corrected, either way i think you should support him anyway as he's 1 of your own, also bren-his style is not that different to your own back in your day, apart from the low hands!!

I always have supported him.

But I always have and always will believe
that he is not a goOd pro...

He may well continue, but he hasn't a snowballs chance
in hell of winning anything of significance..

Sorry to be so blunt, but Dunne is a journeyman and was the instance
he turned PRO....


He's beyond a comeback now and at his age and at his stage he
IMO will not return and should not return. The chap
will only end up embarrassing himself and hurting himself...

And if anyone close to him really cares for him, they will
tell him this...

sligobhoy67

walshb wrote: »

I always have supported him.

But I always have and always will believe
that he is not a goOd pro...

He may well continue, but he hasn't a snowballs chance
in hell of winning anything of significance..

Sorry to be so blunt, but Dunne is a journeyman and was the instance
he turned PRO....


He's beyond a comeback now and at his age and at his stage he
IMO will not return and should not return. The chap
will only end up embarrassing himself and hurting himself...

And if anyone close to him really cares for him, they will
tell him this...

sounds pretty harsh B but it could turn out to be true - time will tell

Oilrig

BD's history IMHO.

Had his chance, his poor defence was well flagged, only a matter of time. Nice guy but promoters hyped him up there. Got cocky & got stuffed.

The Kiko vs McCullagh bout was going to be interesting...

My money's on Andy Lee as the next real thing.

JMCD

Oilrig wrote: »

My money's on Andy Lee as the next real thing.

Andy already the REAL THING!

jayroyal

people wil turn off done for been too cocky just like david sutherland got booed last night irish people don't like cocky, hence like duddy, lee get great support and even darren o neill got great support for just been a nie guy thats irish and good at waht he does not a cocky iggorant dope.
altough think bwalsh bein a bit harsh on ben he is one of the most skilful boxers we had altough not the strongest i think david oliver would take him easy.

Big Ears

jayroyal wrote: »

people wil turn off done for been too cocky just like Darren sutherland got booed last night irish people don't like cocky, hence like duddy, lee get great support and even darren o neill got great support for just been a nie guy thats irish and good at waht he does not a cocky iggorant dope.
altough think bwalsh bein a bit harsh on ben he is one of the most skilful boxers we had altough not the strongest i think Mike oliver would take him easy.

fixed

alanceltic

OK lads calm down!!!! Dunne has been off the boxing scene of late as his wife had a baby 3 weeks ago, he always had plans for a break regardless of the martinez result so dont be thinking hes all washed up, im pretty sure he will come back more focused and hungrier. As for the boozing comments, my mates when they were out one night locked bumped into Elvis, imagine....in dublin and he was none to nice to them..... stories stories stories from half drunken people, im sure he probably was on the tiles on one or two occassions over the xmas period but dont be going making up stories that arent true. I agree with the comments about Darren Sutherland, he needs a quiet word in his ear by somebody who has half a brain. As for Andy Lee, i rekon Macklin could take him, I know most of you will laugh at that and I think Lee is a good prospect but I think Macklin has the ability to beat him! The sooner we have macklin,duddy & lee trading the better, interestin match ups there

ODD-JOB

he would never have been allowed take a sabbatical after all the money promoter peters has poured into that "investment" , would he ?

personally , i think he is probably having a hard time dealing with the humiliation of that night.
picking a fight with some drunken 9stone disco animal is probably proof of his discomfort around the public.

I strill hope for the best for him , ans since he got his head rocked out by Kiko, I thought that the defeat would make a Man out of him.
accepting defeat is much harder thing to do than winning.

man or a bufdy ?
right now it sounds more like bufdy.

menoscemo

alanceltic wrote: »

As for the boozing comments, my mates when they were out one night locked bumped into Elvis, imagine....in dublin and he was none to nice to them..... stories stories stories from half drunken people, im sure he probably was on the tiles on one or two occassions over the xmas period but dont be going making up stories that arent true.

I absolutely promise and guarantee you that my story is not made up.

alanceltic

menoscemo wrote: »

I absolutely promise and guarantee you that my story is not made up.

And I absolutely promise and guarantee you that Elvis is still alive and kickin so dont be goin tellin tales which you cant vouch for

ODD-JOB

Well, he wouldt be the first nice guy to resurect an alter-ego after a skinful.its happened the best of us.
at least he's not shovin white up his snout,... seen more nice people turn ogrish on that muck.

I think they should stick Bernard on a decent "all-irish" undercard in about 2 months or so if possible. hopefully leaving the cockiness behind , which dosent go down well, especially if a journey-man is being made look stupid.

Jeremy parodi or Rendall Munroe
they both look like decent fighters when you hear their records , but havent got a big KO average .
if they are a step to far for a comeback , then there is absolutley no faith in him from his directors.

Ive often wondered about somebody with a soft chin , is there anything you can do about it or is it something you are born with ?


last thing you need is a year off , remember Nazeem could't hack his first loss either, took a break and stacked on about 4 stone. hadnt the heart to work it out, he'll be stone broke in no time.
like arnold from the "different strokes" show,....doing security in tesco.

Hopefully everything will be HUNKY-DORY .

Big Ears

I don't believe Dunne's career is over completely , Walshb said he would never achieve anything of significance but I would say winning the European title is significant(as would regaining it) . At World level the best he could probably get is winning an eliminator for a World belt and then failing while contesting for that belt but very few boxers go on to be World champions , it doesn't mean all those not good enough should just give up .

Dunne isn't shot(his performances leading up to his European title win and defenses were the best of his career) but his chin was exposed .
More careful matchmaking in the future is needed but he can still go on to have a successful career(in terms of both achievement and monetary rewards) .

That defence really needs to be tightened up , because if he is going to have any success at the level just below World Class and above European(which he is capable of) he can't leave himself way open like against Martinez .
He needs to be thought how to survive when hurt ,and ignore trying to come back and turns things around in the same round when severely hurt .

Rendall Munroe would be a very tough opponent to come back against, he punches harder than his record suggests(especially at Super-Bantamweight) and by the end of March he will be the British champion .

Esham Pickering suffered a shock defeat to Sean Hughes(77-75 on points) recently and I wasn't impressed when he regained his British title against Marc Callaghan 2 fights before that . Pickering could very well be shot and we will know soon as he rematches Hughes with Pickering's British title on the line and the winner faces Munroe . Even if Pickering does get revenge on Hughes(who is a fighter Dunne stopped in 2 rounds btw) and looks a lot better then he has been I fancy Munroe to take him and gain the British title .

Jeremy Parodi on the other hand seems to have a padded built up record and is a natural Bantamweight . However unlike Munroe I have never seen him fight and can't comment on how good he actually is .

If I was bringing Dunne back I would first match him with Tuncay Kaya , who is a tough crude workhorse with a high punch output and not much power . He gave Hunter a decent fight for the European title and only was ko'ed as he misunderstood the count(with it being in English) . Have it as an 8 rounder and Dunne would get the full 8 , unless he pulled off an impressive stoppage win . Get this before March is out .

Not much later(within 2 months) have him fight Paul Hyland for the Irish title over 10 rounds , an unlikely fight to be actually made but it would help bring attention back to Dunne and his comeback , aswell as giving him some confidence and rounds .

Then within 2 1/2 months have him fight Salem Bouaita/Miguel Mallon for the EU title . Fight Bouaita if he still holds the title otherwise Mallon . This is mainly due to Bouaita's record making him an unattractive opponent to the Irish public while Mallon's is much better looking(although he's actually an inferior fighter) .

Then fight the European Champ , be it Martinez or if the title is vacant . Munroe or Bouaita would be the most likely opponents if Martinez is no longer European champion(for whatever reason) . Dunne would have no problem with Bouaita and I'd fancy him to beat Munroe(although he would be very dangerous) . Martinez is apparently not all he's cracked up to be and if Dunne boxes cautiously and doesn't try to fire back immediately if hurt he stands a decent chance of reversing that decision .

The Road To Redemption

sligobhoy67

I thought that Salem Bouaita was the madatory!

I know what you are saying about Mallons record looking better but I agree Bouaita is a better fighter.

Obviously Salem Bouaita just beat Mallon - and Pickering beat him as well - Mallon has been seriously inactive recently

Big Ears

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

I thought that Salem Bouaita was the madatory!

I know what you are saying about Mallons record looking better but I agree Bouaita is a better fighter.

Obviously Salem Bouaita just beat Mallon - and Pickering beat him as well - Mallon has been seriously inactive recently

Bouaita is mandatory but if Martinez can't make the weight(:rolleyes:) then the title will become vacant , and Bouaita would be one of the people fighting for the title in about 7/8 months time(it usually takes ages for someone to be stripped and a vacant title fight set up .

Alternatively Martinez could defend against Bouaita and beat him(which he should as he's done it before easily enough) and move onwards towards a World title fight/Eliminator vacating the European title . Or he could simply beat him and keep defending the European title .

So there are several scenarios in which Dunne could fight Bouaita be it for the European or EU title .

However Bartolozzi is scheduled to fight for the EU title soon enough against a yet unamed opponent . Bouaita recently defended his EU belt against Bartolozzi , beating him comfortably but has now vacated with the expectation of a full European title fight .

buck65

I hate talk about fight selection and getting Dunne fights with guys who can't punch so he looks good. Dunne was tipped to be a contender, he clearly is not that now, to think people will shell out the bucks to watch Dunne resurrect a pointless career like that is an insult to all boxing fans.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

I don't believe Dunne's career is over completely , Walshb said he would never achieve anything of significance but I would say winning the European title is significant(as would regaining it) . At World level the best he could probably get is winning an eliminator for a World belt and then failing while contesting for that belt but very few boxers go on to be World champions , it doesn't mean all those not good enough should just give up .

Dunne isn't shot(his performances leading up to his European title win and defenses were the best of his career) but his chin was exposed .
More careful matchmaking in the future is needed but he can still go on to have a successful career(in terms of both achievement and monetary rewards) .

That defence really needs to be tightened up , because if he is going to have any success at the level just below World Class and above European(which he is capable of) he can't leave himself way open like against Martinez .
He needs to be thought how to survive when hurt ,and ignore trying to come back and turns things around in the same round when severely hurt .

Rendall Munroe would be a very tough opponent to come back against, he punches harder than his record suggests(especially at Super-Bantamweight) and by the end of March he will be the British champion .

Esham Pickering suffered a shock defeat to Sean Hughes(77-75 on points) recently and I wasn't impressed when he regained his British title against Marc Callaghan 2 fights before that . Pickering could very well be shot and we will know soon as he rematches Hughes with Pickering's British title on the line and the winner faces Munroe . Even if Pickering does get revenge on Hughes(who is a fighter Dunne stopped in 2 rounds btw) and looks a lot better then he has been I fancy Munroe to take him and gain the British title .

Jeremy Parodi on the other hand seems to have a padded built up record and is a natural Bantamweight . However unlike Munroe I have never seen him fight and can't comment on how good he actually is .

If I was bringing Dunne back I would first match him with Tuncay Kaya , who is a tough crude workhorse with a high punch output and not much power . He gave Hunter a decent fight for the European title and only was ko'ed as he misunderstood the count(with it being in English) . Have it as an 8 rounder and Dunne would get the full 8 , unless he pulled off an impressive stoppage win . Get this before March is out .

Not much later(within 2 months) have him fight Paul Hyland for the Irish title over 10 rounds , an unlikely fight to be actually made but it would help bring attention back to Dunne and his comeback , aswell as giving him some confidence and rounds .

Then within 2 1/2 months have him fight Salem Bouaita/Miguel Mallon for the EU title . Fight Bouaita if he still holds the title otherwise Mallon . This is mainly due to Bouaita's record making him an unattractive opponent to the Irish public while Mallon's is much better looking(although he's actually an inferior fighter) .

Then fight the European Champ , be it Martinez or if the title is vacant . Munroe or Bouaita would be the most likely opponents if Martinez is no longer European champion(for whatever reason) . Dunne would have no problem with Bouaita and I'd fancy him to beat Munroe(although he would be very dangerous) . Martinez is apparently not all he's cracked up to be and if Dunne boxes cautiously and doesn't try to fire back immediately if hurt he stands a decent chance of reversing that decision .

The Road To Redemption

When are we going to be blatantly honest?

The chap is a nice lad and is a credit to the sport as
an amateur and did reasonably well in the pro's against really average
opponents. He won a European against IMO some really average opponents.
I don't rate this as class at all. I'm sorry if my
standards are a little high. When I see class I am
the first to say it.....

He met a guy who could throw shots, got nailed and was wiped out.
And still we don't even know if Kiko himself is anything close
to special....

So how can Dunne win anything of significance.
He's not a clas act or close to it.

So STOP making out that the chap has something left.
I respect all the posters here, but let's get real and let's
be honest. Dunne is finished, at least finished as regards
being successful....

He had nothing to START with, and now he's older, slower and
will be brutally exposed again if he comes back....


As for our prospects on a world level?

Nobody has shown me that they are worthy of
world honors...

Lee, Duddy, Macklin etc etc are simply good, way short
of great.....

walshb

buck65 wrote: »

I hate talk about fight selection and getting Dunne fights with guys who can't punch so he looks good. Dunne was tipped to be a contender, he clearly is not that now, to think people will shell out the bucks to watch Dunne resurrect a pointless career like that is an insult to all boxing fans.

Complete sense for a change.......

nacho libre

Listening to Jim Rock on RTE he was always measured in what he said about Dunne. It seemed to me, rather than it being a case of not wanting to overhype a fighter just because he is Irish, he just didn't rate Dunne that highly.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

When are we going to be blatantly honest?

The chap is a nice lad and is a credit to the sport as
an amateur and did reasonably well in the pro's against really average
opponents. He won a European against IMO some really average opponents.
I don't rate this as class at all. I'm sorry if my
standards are a little high. When I see class I am
the first to say it.....

He met a guy who could throw shots, got nailed and was wiped out.
And still we don't even know if Kiko himself is anything close
to special....

So how can Dunne win anything of significance.
He's not a clas act or close to it.

So STOP making out that the chap has something left.
I respect all the posters here, but let's get real and let's
be honest. Dunne is finished, at least finished as regards
being successful....

He had nothing to START with, and now he's older, slower and
will be brutally exposed again if he comes back....


As for our prospects on a world level?

Nobody has shown me that they are worthy of
world honors...

Lee, Duddy, Macklin etc etc are simply good, way short
of great.....

The difference here is I believe European level to be significant , you do not .
I haven't said he's going to become a World beater but I believe he can achieve a little more than he did before he got beat .

The opponents may have seemed average , and in truth none will go on to do anything incredible(unless Martinez actually turns out to be decent) but they were typical European level opponents.........he wasn't any more carefully matched than any other European champion .

What I don't see is you saying he has nothing left , is Bernard Dunne a worse fighter than the one that beat Pickering , Walstad , Jailouev or lost to Martinez ?.........nope he's pretty much the same fighter imo . Who will probably replicate the same things , beat almost everyone in European but lose to a real puncher . I don't think there is anything wrong with that , I consider that an achievement . I regard winning European titles as successful and really that's the difference .

It appear you don't really have a lower opinion of what Dunne can do to me just you don't believe it's worth doing . What else is the lad going to do to make a living ?.........the easiest and most profitable way for Bernard Dunne to make money is to box . To be European champion and defend his belt every few months before stepping up to World level and probably losing . When he gets too big for Super Bantamweight go up to Featherweight and do the same .


Buck 65 I merely suggest light punching fighters at first because this is a comeback , the last thing you need in a comeback is to go in against a banger early if you've got a questionable chin .

When I say match him carefully I mean if there are two fighters around the same level(as in similar quality) and one is a very hard puncher who's accurate and the other is a light punching workhorse who wins fights by being a human windmill then choose the lighter puncher . The quality of the fight isn't any less just that the style of the opponent is more suited to him .


Walshb if you don't think Bernard should fight again would you like to name an ulterior career ?

sligobhoy67

fireman innit!!

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

The difference here is I believe European level to be significant , you do not .
I haven't said he's going to become a World beater but I believe he can achieve a little more than he did before he got beat .

The opponents may have seemed average , and in truth none will go on to do anything incredible(unless Martinez actually turns out to be decent) but they were typical European level opponents.........he wasn't any more carefully matched than any other European champion .

What I don't see is you saying he has nothing left , is Bernard Dunne a worse fighter than the one that beat Pickering , Walstad , Jailouev or lost to Martinez ?.........nope he's pretty much the same fighter imo . Who will probably replicate the same things , beat almost everyone in European but lose to a real puncher . I don't think there is anything wrong with that , I consider that an achievement . I regard winning European titles as successful and really that's the difference .

It appear you don't really have a lower opinion of what Dunne can do to me just you don't believe it's worth doing . What else is the lad going to do to make a living ?.........the easiest and most profitable way for Bernard Dunne to make money is to box . To be European champion and defend his belt every few months before stepping up to World level and probably losing . When he gets too big for Super Bantamweight go up to Featherweight and do the same .


Buck 65 I merely suggest light punching fighters at first because this is a comeback , the last thing you need in a comeback is to go in against a banger early if you've got a questionable chin .

When I say match him carefully I mean if there are two fighters around the same level(as in similar quality) and one is a very hard puncher who's accurate and the other is a light punching workhorse who wins fights by being a human windmill then choose the lighter puncher . The quality of the fight isn't any less just that the style of the opponent is more suited to him .


Walshb if you don't think Bernard should fight again would you like to name an ulterior career ?

European level is too good for Dunne, Kiko proved this...
And before Kiko, Dunne was beating tomato cans and if that is what
you call significant or good, so be it. I say it for what it is. Dunne beat tomato cans in a division that sucked. He met a guy who could land a punch and he folded...

Dunne is not even the best in Europe now, (NOT THAT I EVER THOUGHT HE WAS), so where he goes from here is NOWHERE.....
Who cares what alternative career he chooses.
We are on a boxing forum discussuing
his merits as a decent fighter. I say he's not
decent and if he continues he will do NOTHING
of significance...

alanceltic

Hey Big Ears, I for one concur with your summary, winning a european title is a big deal and dont blame the kid for the hype, its a long time since we had ANY professional titles (world or european) and the media (not dunne) created the hype which penetrated non boxing supporters, like it or not he put boxing back on national TV after a very barron spell and you have to recognise this.

OK he fought and beat Pickering who was probably 12 months past his prime but id say he would have taken Pickering at any stage of his career. Joiluov was a handy fight no doubts about that but he still beat a #6 rank in europe and walstad was a gamey if limited fighter and again I think he was #2 ranked. All you can do is beat whats put in front of you and we all know that european level is a different class to world level but it is a natural progression for any european fighter, win a european title, defend it a few times and take you chance at a world title when your time comes and he was close to that b4 he was beaten. Dont care what you say but Martinez is an unknown and one knockdown proves nothing, OK he got tagged twice in his career of 24 fights, once against the rugged Voronin who he completely outclassed and once against martinez where he paid the price, this DOES not make him a bad fighter, like Big Ears said he was a worthy european champion and he will compete again at this level and his opportunity for a world title shot may come in due course.

I have read loads of you comments before about ben dunne and you talk out of both sides of your mouth on the issue, you claim to want the best for him but take every cheap shot you can. I hear what you are saying about your opinion of him but dont agree with it and myself I would agree with Big Ears opinions. You have always been a begrudger and nothing you say will change my opinion of that, it a typical british attitude of slateing your own when they come a cropper.

Your comment "Dunne is not even the best in Europe now" is untrue, if you bother to read the EBU rules you will see that they DO NOT install a fighter who has lost a title as a mandatory unless the circumstances are exceptional so he simply cant slot into the mandatory slot and currently holds the No1 position. Pickering held the mandatory untill he was slaughtered by sean hughes and slipped back to #2 while salem bouaita was promoted to mandatory after winning the EU title recently.

I would like to see him fighting Marc Callaghan soon before hunting down the little spaniard who I know he can beat - mabey then if he achieves his old belt back will you offer some sort of recognition but i doubt it

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

Hey Big Ears, I for one concur with your summary, winning a european title is a big deal and dont blame the kid for the hype, its a long time since we had ANY professional titles (world or european) and the media (not dunne) created the hype which penetrated non boxing supporters, like it or not he put boxing back on national TV after a very barron spell and you have to recognise this.

OK he fought and beat Pickering who was probably 12 months past his prime but id say he would have taken Pickering at any stage of his career. Joiluov was a handy fight no doubts about that but he still beat a #6 rank in europe and walstad was a gamey if limited fighter and again I think he was #2 ranked. All you can do is beat whats put in front of you and we all know that european level is a different class to world level but it is a natural progression for any european fighter, win a european title, defend it a few times and take you chance at a world title when your time comes and he was close to that b4 he was beaten. Dont care what you say but Martinez is an unknown and one knockdown proves nothing, OK he got tagged twice in his career of 24 fights, once against the rugged Voronin who he completely outclassed and once against martinez where he paid the price, this DOES not make him a bad fighter, like Big Ears said he was a worthy european champion and he will compete again at this level and his opportunity for a world title shot may come in due course.

I have read loads of you comments before about ben dunne and you talk out of both sides of your mouth on the issue, you claim to want the best for him but take every cheap shot you can. I hear what you are saying about your opinion of him but dont agree with it and myself I would agree with Big Ears opinions. You have always been a begrudger and nothing you say will change my opinion of that, it a typical british attitude of slateing your own when they come a cropper.

Your comment "Dunne is not even the best in Europe now" is untrue, if you bother to read the EBU rules you will see that they DO NOT install a fighter who has lost a title as a mandatory unless the circumstances are exceptional so he simply cant slot into the mandatory slot and currently holds the No1 position. Pickering held the mandatory untill he was slaughtered by sean hughes and slipped back to #2 while salem bouaita was promoted to mandatory after winning the EU title recently.

I would like to see him fighting Marc Callaghan soon before hunting down the little spaniard who I know he can beat - mabey then if he achieves his old belt back will you offer some sort of recognition but i doubt it

What are you on mate?

Begrudger?

Ok, so I rate Dunne as very average and rate his victories over tomato cans as nothing special and this makes me a begrudger?

I unfortunately was proved right about Dunne. He has no chin, punch and even championship stamina. That's all I have been saying.
I also said before he was brutally exposed that I would love
to see him prove me wrong. I genuinely meant that and if
you knew me like others do, you would realise that this is very true...

However, all along I knew he would be exposed by someone half
decent. He was, and now I'm a begrudger??

He is not the best in Europe and I also happen to believe
that the division stunk of poor quality fighters.

As far as I saw, Pickering and the lads Dunne beat were IMO tomato cans.

Yes he can only beat what is put in front of him, but don't make
out like some have that those put in front
of him were quality. They were far far from quality...


Should Dunne unwisely come back, I predict absolute
nothing successful from him. Success to me is obviously
a lot different than what it is to you, I know
that now.

So will he beat any quality fighter?

Absolutely NOT..

Is this me being a begrudger?

Absolutely NOT. It's me being brutally honest
in assessing a fighter with a glass chin.....

So let's wait and see. And if somehow Dunne
comes back and wins a world title from any of the
4 organisations, I will beg forgiveness on this site....

"I would like to see him fighting Marc Callaghan soon before hunting down the little spaniard who I know he can beat - mabey then if he achieves his old belt back will you offer some sort of recognition but i doubt it"

Your above quote makes absolute no sense..
You are basically telling me when I should give him praise?
I'll give him praise when IMO, he deserves it and to date he
has done nothing of merit that I regard as class
Should he return and beat Kiko, I will straight away
praise him for having the guts to get back in the ring
with a man who obliterated him and turn it around.
Then I will assess the fight and praise accordingly...

And one final thing is that I have been saying all along,
well before Dunne was exposed, that he wasn't a quality
fighter.
So I don't believe I am slating him "when they come a cropper"