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Kill it Cook it Eat it
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09-01-2008 11:52pm#1
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Gah I saw it - i saw a few during the week and wasn't really bothered but lasts nights was a bit gross. They had a scene with 2 male week old cows being shot in the head at a dairy farm because they were no use to the farmer. It was gross tbh - they weren't stunned like in the slaughter scenes so there was blood pouring out and the bodies were twitching etc.Anyone see tonights? i didnt watch it.
Later in the show the guy who shoots them was on and looked like he was close to tears saying it was a waste of life because only and handful of the bodies can be actually used at wildlife reserves etc. Then they had tiny piglets in spain or somewhere being killed and served up. Between that and the chicks being gassed on that Jamie Oliver show I feel like sticking to veggie options for the next while! 0 -
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HI tk123 and all in this forum. I watched the prog tonight and felt sickened and very sad at mankind and the BBC for showing this programme. I dont eat meat but do eat fish. Having said that I have always being against any hunting or shooting programmes and no matter how they try and "colour" this programme, its still making it ok go hunting beautiul animals like deer and ducks etc. There is no reason on earth why anyone has to go out and shoot the animal to know how it dies, Im not being unfair here, I know how animals die and if I had to kill one, I could not , its against everything I belive in and no one has the right to do it. I feel they are bring blood sports into the foreground in a very clever way. Still I know people have a right to eat what they want but if they had to kill it first, many would not. If no one ate meat there is enough grain etc on the planet to feed the world and we would all be better off with out it. Please boycott this programme or write to the BBC, I will and I hope no one ever copes the idea that hunting is fair and needed to cul the herd etc. The earth got by on its own and would again. Man has some bad ideas sometime and this programme just adds insult upon an insult already being done. Namely Eating meat.Just try and think how you would feel if someneate your dog or cat etc. Sad days and its a pity to see so many people on tv being turned mentally in this way. THink first.Gah I saw it - i saw a few during the week and wasn't really bothered but lasts nights was a bit gross. They had a scene with 2 male week old cows being shot in the head at a dairy farm because they were no use to the farmer. It was gross tbh - they weren't stunned like in the slaughter scenes so there was blood pouring out and the bodies were twitching etc. Later in the show the guy who shoots them was on and looked like he was close to tears saying it was a waste of life because only and handful of the bodies can be actually used at wildlife reserves etc. Then they had tiny piglets in spain or somewhere being killed and served up. Between that and the chicks being gassed on that Jamie Oliver show I feel like sticking to veggie options for the next while!0 -
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Hi and thanks for the reply:pac:
I have no intention of being redirected to the Veggie Forum by you, thanks very much. Free speech and dont forget it.
My main threa and this is important is that the programme is gloryifying hunting and all that it brings with it. Its not done in the way its pretending to be done, there was a programme like this about 1 year ago on the BBC about a man going to a slaughter house etc. At least that was honest and he did kill the animal and was very upset and did want to be a hypocrit about it either. My problem is the hunting element and that is Really bad and their is no excuse for this. Never to be glorified.
By the way I have no intention of watching the programme again, came upon it and decided to look at it, though didnt watch the actual slaughter but wanted to hear the comments and how they felt afterwards.
My view is my view and yours is yours, dont try and silence anyone.
Remember it is a forum and all opinions are welcome, must have hit a nerve?:eek::rolleyes:
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HI Scumlord,
No I do care very much about our Oceans as Im sure you do.
Dolphins are wonderful and so are the Coral reefs.
I eat a little fresh water fish caught in Ireland and it doesnt harm anyone, except the fish. Thninking of giving it up to be honest.
Nice to hear your concen for our fellow water creatures and plant life
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pinkenergy wrote: »My view is my view and yours is yours, dont try and silence anyone.
Remember it is a forum and all opinions are welcome, must have hit a nerve?:eek::rolleyes:
Sorry but you hit a nerve for me by going off topic - ie the morals of eating meat (which none of the other posters went in to) as opposed to the discussion of the tv show.
All the show is doing is giving people an insight into where the meat comes from and with last weeks show making them a part of the process if they choose to be and how they are affected by it - does it change their views or cement them. Parts of it are graphic but that's what happens - granted i was a bit taken aback by one part of the last series but when I thought about it I decided that I still wanted to eat meat. As far as i'm concerned the animals on the show are being bred for one thing and one thing only - my dindins! :pac:
They're not going out in the wild and killing animals or taking down cats and dogs in the streets - they're going to farms and estates where the animals are bred for human consumption. No farmer is raising herds of animals as pets they're raising them for profit.
Back on topic - I think I preferred the recent shows because it was a smaller group - so you got a better idea of how people tick/what makes them want to take part/challenge themselves etc.0 -
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but I don't see you campaigning again's John Wilson's 'Go Fishing Masterclass' TV programme. :rolleyes:pinkenergy wrote: »I eat a little fresh water fish caught in Ireland and it doesnt harm anyone, except the fish. Thninking of giving it up to be honest.
assuming it's cooked and seasoned right, wouldn't want it if it was as tough as old boots.Could You Eat An Elephant?
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thank you, I consider that a great compliment. I try my best.pinkenergy wrote: »You really are a child.
TO YOU it is not acceptable, but for hundreds of thousands of people it IS acceptable and for a good portion of people it's not only acceptable but a nessesity for survival. not everyone lives next to a centra. :rolleyes:.pinkenergy wrote: »The point I have been making time and time again is that the BBC is making hunting acceptable, which it is not.
I rest my case, plenty of people DO have to go hunting to survive. if you had even the remotest clue about the world you'd know that.pinkenergy wrote: »If and I mean if we HAD to go out and kill for food then there is a point to this programme.
someone wandering through a school with an uzi picking people off randomly is senseless killing. someone hunting to eat is pretty much the complete opposite. there is a huge amount of satisfaction and a great sense of accomplishment to be had in hunting your food, it's been done for hundreds of thousands of years by man and animal alike.pinkenergy wrote: »But as we dont why have people do something, and I do wonder about some of the people in the programme as they clearly have mixed motives, buts thats their choice,that is senseless killing. Its also breeding a mentality for hunting and a a few were going back to do it again because they liked the chase!! thats nothing to do with eating and killing what we eat.
do you like cats? domestic cats hunt and kill birds and mice on a daily basis for no other reason than they enjoy the hunt, very rarely is it for food. my two cats are as well fed and cared for as any cat i've ever seen but they regularly hunt for sport.
like I said it's 'reality', you should consider trying it some day. :rolleyes:
no, that's the whole point I've been trying to make, that is exactly the same ballgame and i wish you'd cop on. just because you can't, or don't want to understand it does not make it a different game.pinkenergy wrote: »Thats a whole new ballgame and you know it, I HOPE!!!.
yes, i will. every post you make convinces me more and more that you really have no idea.pinkenergy wrote: »Naive I wish I was wouldnt life be so simple then, maybe you can tell me about it?
next time you are in a supermarket check out the meat isle. everything there is carved from the corpse of a dead animal. no really it is. i know this seems obvious, but people really don't think about it when they pick up a pound of mince and have no interest in where their meat comes from any more than they know where their carrots or spuds come from. or your shoes? do you wear leather shoes? where do you think the leather comes from? it's torn from the flesh of cows that have just been slaughtered. how many people actually consider what they are walking round in?
personally, I know exactly where my meat comes from and how it is slaughtered and consider it to be the meat eater's moral high ground to accept this and be a willing participant in every part of the process.
to not want any part of this process or even know how it is done but rather just have your meat and not want to know how it got from a field somewhere on to your plate is more than a little hypocritical imho.
(i know you don't eat red meat, but I'm trying to make a point, I hope you can understand).
YES very much so, as I have already done many times in the past growing up in the country and I have no doubt I will again. this is nothing to do with 'looney tunes', this IS reality, not some homogenised bubble wrapped version that you may have been brought up in.pinkenergy wrote: »Would you pull the trigger on a helpless deer or duck just to eat it? I know I could not but maybe in your Loony Tunes world you could!!!
no, we just have different morals than you do. meat is food, it comes from animals and the only realistic way of getting meat is to kill the animal, end of story.pinkenergy wrote: »Dont know what to say to you. Im stunned and amused at the same time. Your not taking this seriously at all, otherwise you would have no morals or ethics or have left them at the office.
but you eat fish. what about all the poor innocent fish that have suffocated to death in agony or been clubbed over the head to feed you? don't try and get on your high horse when you don't even have one. :rolleyes:pinkenergy wrote: »The thing is you dont have to kill them and thats my point no body does, there is enough grain and other food to feed us all, even your snack box.
because that would be illegal, not to mention very difficult to transport home, and i'm pretty sure rhino's are on the endangered species list too, unlike deer which is plentiful, tasty and a great animal to hunt. just not in phoenix park because those ARE illegal to hunt, but there's plenty of places you can hunt them, although these would be on private land where they are bred for food but left to roam wild within the confines of the land where they are kept.pinkenergy wrote: »But on your point why dont you, when your up near the Phoenix park drop into the Zoo and bag something SUBSTANTIAL for yourself like a Rhino and feed your family for a year, that sounds like something that would keep you happy:)
so anyone who hunts animals is automatically a cannibal? yeah, you really do make a good argument. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:pinkenergy wrote: »Hope I never meet you on a dark night or up in the mountains, particularily if I was wearing headgear, you might mistake me for deer or something like it and I would be dinner, for at least 2 days.0 -
Back on topic (lets hope it stays that way). Did anybody watch the show on C4 that Amalgam mentioned. I got bored studying so watched it instead. I thought it was a bit of double standard that they tried dog but not elephant? LOL but I thought it was funny - they thought they were cool - 'we use all parts of the animal etc etc ' they soon learned they weren't as outrages as they thought they were! 0
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Back on topic (lets hope it stays that way). Did anybody watch the show on C4 that Amalgam mentioned. I got bored studying so watched it instead. I thought it was a bit of double standard that they tried dog but not elephant? LOL but I thought it was funny - they thought they were cool - 'we use all parts of the animal etc etc ' they soon learned they weren't as outrages as they thought they were!Dont you 0
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I love animals and have kept animals as pets my whole life, everything from cats and dogs to growing up with chickens, ducks and even pheasants and peacocks and had even planned on going to university to study marine biology until i spoke to people who'd done the same and found out that only 2 out of the 22 people who had done the same degree as I was planning on doing had ended up with jobs in the field, so i went another direction.pinkenergy wrote: »I care about the animals Dave and plenty of others do also.
I've never killed and eaten an animal that i had kept as a pet because I didn't need to, but i'll happily eat the meat from the same species and if required would raise animals for food and eat them no bother.
yes, it looks like a mod has been deleting OT posts not concerned with the programs in question.pinkenergy wrote: »But to Tk and Vibe, who I sent a long message to that has dissapeared.
people eat meat and meat is tasty. animals are made of meat and to eat tasty meat animals need to be raised for their meat and slaughtered. you aren't going to stop it so you might as well just deal with it.pinkenergy wrote: »The programme was on again on Sunday (a follow up to the 2 series). It was called Kill it, Cook it and eat it changed my life.
The programme was very good and a lot had changed their mind and some hadnt. There was a farmer who bred pigs to for meat but felt bad and said she was going to keep them as pets. But after a while, like a few months they went to check on her and he had gone back to farming and was now keeping a distance from her pigs(as she was getting emotionally attached to them), well she had to earn a living. But at least for a few hours she thought better of it. Thats just one example of many.
There are others who thought it fine and were going to continue to but meat but buy better cuts etc.
as I and many other have said already, you can care about animals and still eat them, the two are not mutually exclusive.pinkenergy wrote: »The programme was meant as an ethical, moral and educational tool but a lot of you didnt pick up on this. I did see some posts as the beginning of this thread which lead me to beleive there was more of you with a caring sensitive side for animals. But alas your no different to the masses.
that's because you don't have a valid point.pinkenergy wrote: »I will never get you to see my point on hunting and in this forum I will just say.
Think Karma and have a good nights sleep!!!!
oh, and I sleep like a baby thanks very much. 0 -
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i went to a local meat wholesaler near me and got a box full of various types of very good quality meat for €100 (saved a good 50% at least by buying it that way over going to the supermarket) so there's no chance of me turning veggie any time soon.
like BroomBurner says, lambs may be very cute (and of course they are) but they're also very tasty. and tasty wins every time. 0 -
I love animals and have kept animals as pets my whole life, everything from cats and dogs to growing up with chickens, ducks and even pheasants and peacocks and had even planned on going to university to study marine biology until i spoke to people who'd done the same and found out that only 2 out of the 22 people who had done the same degree as I was planning on doing had ended up with jobs in the field, so i went another direction.
You reeally sound like a kind decent person, who is thoughtful and caring to animals. I understand your point of view and the fact that you care about animals is terrific. Its hard to reconcile your thoughts that "you can care about animals and eat them also", it doesnt make sense. it would have made more sense if you had said I care how they are raised and can eat them just the same.[
I've never killed and eaten an animal that i had kept as a pet because I didn't need to, but i'll happily eat the meat from the same species and if required would raise animals for food and eat them no bother.
yes, it looks like a mod has been deleting OT posts not concerned with the programs in question.
people eat meat and meat is tasty. animals are made of meat and to eat tasty meat animals need to be raised for their meat and slaughtered. you aren't going to stop it so you might as well just deal with
Animals are made of flesh, bone muscle etc not meat. Otherwise we are all meat. Its how you perceive them, thats the thing. I dont want to eat animals as I like them a great deal but you have your right to eat meat, it doesnt mean you have your priorities wrong. The thing I was really anoyed with all the time, was th hunting aspect of the BBC show and thats what a lot of people seemed to have missed.
as I and many other have said already, you can care about animals and still eat them, the two are not mutually exclusive.
No As I said you dont really care about certain animals, they are meat to you and you care if they have a good life and are killed humanely, thats the difference. Your pets and other animals in your life, Im sure you love very much. Your a bit of an inigma , could be worse:rolleyes:
that's because you don't have a valid point.[/QUOT
I do have a valid point though, your qute wrong here, my point here and every time I have posted , is that the programme glorified hunting, it didnt just go into the shooting of the animals etc. It dealt a lot with Wild Game as you know and the hunting aspect and the way it affected the people on the hunt was surprising. Even down to a former vegan shooting a beautiful majestic Stag. Very sad and more important it was more about the blood lust of the chase then just killing the meat to be eaten later. Thats my point and always has been.:cool:
oh, and I sleep like a baby thanks very much.
Oh Im sure you do, children sleep well.
Listen I dont want to keep having a debate on this, as far as Im concerned I have said enough and Im sure you feel the same way.
You should catch the BBC follow up programme as it was interesting on all aspects and was a good follow up to both series.
I love animals , have done so all my life, same as you. I happen to not eat them but did once and I do admit to eating fish , which are living things. I would not go fishing for them, would live off grain quicker. Thats a personal choice, not something Im trying to convert people to, you cant anyway and choice is choice and so is freedom of speech and luckily we have it.:p;)
Im trying to get through to the BBC re their programme and will let you know if anything comes of it.0 -
thank you, I consider that a great compliment. I try my best.
TO YOU it is not acceptable, but for hundreds of thousands of people it IS acceptable and for a good portion of people it's not only acceptable but a nessesity for survival. not everyone lives next to a centra. :rolleyes:.
Meant to say Hunting is never acceptable accept where necessary. Anybody with a good mind and conscience knows that. The only exception is the fact that you might have to go hunting in the wild or some country or area where this is your only choice of food. I know plenty as I have friends living in the Artic Circle and they know the inuit who hunt for food to survive, thats not a choice thats a way of life. No sport in this.
I also have a few friends there who do go hunting as a sport and regularily kill Caraboo and seals and always say " there is no waste " when talking about eating the Caraboo. I have seen their photos after the killing and the dead animal is left on the snow and cut up into joints of meat and arranged back in the shape of the animal. This is normal procedure for this and to my mind is quite barbaric. Im still friends with these people and we dont speak about hunting. The thing is they have no reason to do it, they have a supermarket near by and transport. They also bring peolple hunting and sometimes the animals dont die quickly. Sad and hard to understand the mind of someone like this. When they go hunting I mean.
I[/S][/[HTML]Pity you dont get my irony about shooting rhinos etc :rolleyes:[/HTML]though Im sure you did :eek:keep the faith0
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