TV3 Nightly News with Vincent Browne - January 14

jb91

TV3 Nightly News with Vincent Browne starts on January 14th at 11pm - I saw an ad for it lastnight.

I don't know if the ad was shot on the set that will be used for the show but it didn't look great... It was just an animated background and a plasma screen. The new red logo (which I guess they'll use for all of the TV3 News bulletins) looks awful and the massive number 3 to the side is nothing like TV3's logo. Something about it reminds me of that 20/20 current affairs show they used to have.

And I still don't get why they're calling a current affairs show "Nightly News"...

flogen

jb91 wrote: »

TV3 Nightly News with Vincent Browne starts on January 14th at 11pm - I saw an ad for it lastnight.

I don't know if the ad was shot on the set that will be used for the show but it didn't look great... It was just an animated background and a plasma screen.

Aye, the ad looks very cheap and there are some odd edits in it - like the brief and kind of startling close up on Browne's face near the end which seems totally out of place. Hopefully not a sign of what's to come.

The new red logo (which I guess they'll use for all of the TV3 News bulletins) looks awful and the massive number 3 to the side is nothing like TV3's logo. Something about it reminds me of that 20/20 current affairs show they used to have.

Yeah, I guess this might be part of an overall news revamp (did they do anything to the news after the general station revamp a year or so ago?).

Don't think the red is too bad, nor is the logo... it's nothing super but nothing horrible. It does remind me of an American-style news or channel logo, though.

And I still don't get why they're calling a current affairs show "Nightly News"...

I guess because it's not a current affairs show in the same vein as Prime Time or even Newsnight (although I'm just guessing that as little is known about the format). I get the feeling it will be more of a news review for each day (with a hint of a preview such as the next day's 'papers perhaps); I don't expect it to have too much in terms of news features or packages that aren't part of the existing day's news, at least not on a regular basis.

FlutterinBantam

When he was on radio Vinnie dragged up the contents of his wheezy chest at least twice during the show. You could hear him in the background.

Just wondering how they will get around that on live TV??

DMC

Point the camera at the person he's interviewing? He normally didn't cough up a lung while he was talking.

Milktrolley

flogen wrote: »

Yeah, I guess this might be part of an overall news revamp (did they do anything to the news after the general station revamp a year or so ago?).

The last news revamp was October 2005 and as recent as it seems the overall station revamp was March 2006.

Haven't seen the ad yet but this programme has potential and the fact that it has been delayed a few months should lead one to hope that it's been worth the wait.

The new CEO spoke a lot about his plans, it'll be interesting to see how these chop and change as time goes on.

jb91

flogen wrote: »

(did they do anything to the news after the general station revamp a year or so ago?)

There have been 2 or 3 revamps since about 99/00 but the music and logo have remained more or less the same (with minor adjustments) since then.

flogen

jb91 wrote: »

There have been 2 or 3 revamps since about 99/00 but the music and logo have remained more or less the same (with minor adjustments) since then.

Ah, cheers.

Milktrolley wrote: »

The last news revamp was October 2005 and as recent as it seems the overall station revamp was March 2006.

Haven't seen the ad yet but this programme has potential and the fact that it has been delayed a few months should lead one to hope that it's been worth the wait.

The new CEO spoke a lot about his plans, it'll be interesting to see how these chop and change as time goes on.

Yeah, and the fact that they've brought on two journalists in addition to Browne to work exclusively on the show is also a good sign... but tomorrow and the week ahead will tell all... I think the best thing the show can do is get one or two really solid (if not earth-shattering) exclusives to get as much attention as possible and to really plant a flag in the grass for themselves.

Stargal

Missed the first show tonight but heard it was a bit of a mixed bag. Ten minutes of news followed by two in-depth reports (one about Bertie and the other about the sex offenders register) which Vincent discussed with his guests, Sunday Tribune editor Noirín Hegarty and former TD Joe Higgins. Finally sport, weather and a preview of tomorrow's papers.

From what I heard (groargh, wish I'd seen it) it was a bit messy. However I think the format sounds really good. It's great to see a press preview on Irish tv, and if the reports are up-to-date and topical (sex offenders register was a bit of an odd choice...) then it could be excellent. I'll be tuning in for the rest of the week anyway.

Magic Pips

Anyone else see it?

flogen

Saw it myself and thought it was a little rough 'round the edges but showing plenty of promise.

They could do with dropping a segment or too - it starts off with a news round-up, then two reports (With in-studio interviews) then sport, then weather then the newspaper preview... all in 40 minutes (including 2 ad breaks).

Not sure why the had sport, for example, when Sport Tonight is on right afterwards.

grumpytrousers

My own 2c...

there's promise there, but such a balls made of last nights show. They appear to lead off with Bertie and the tribunal and the money, and that's a good lead story. But then, in studio, to discuss it, they have a Fine Gael senator and a FF TD. Vinnie spends time attacking the FG senator for having the money to finance his own election. Now i'm not saying that issue isn't relevant to the general public, but it's not entirely pertinent to the issue of Bertie and his tax affairs.

In other words, the set piece segment, the piece that I set my sky box to remind me to watch the show was a damp squib. Let's bear in mind that Vincent Browne, on a good day, is unstoppable. Who can forget his hi-jacking of the FF press conference and the admonishment he gave PJ Mara. But this? This was crap!

This is a programme that will suffer for a number of reasons; i hope i'm wrong, but i'll say 'em anyway.

a) TV3 isn't taken seriously, as of yet, as the venue of choice for news junkies
b) on the basis of last nights show, it's possible that the politicial parties might not take VB too seriously; they didn't exactly roll out the big guns for the studio discussion.
c) It's on too late; a lot of people who would actually care about what is being discussed aren't watching at almost half eleven. Newsnight (surely the inspiration for this show) goes out at half ten...

FlutterinBantam

I didn't see it, but I read that Vinnie had his pet poodle J Higgins on.

I would feel safe in concluding that Vinnie gave pedantic Joe a nice vehicle to spout his 1970 Socialism on ??.

On that basis I would hold out little hope that it make any kind of serious impact.

flogen

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I didn't see it, but I read that Vinnie had his pet poodle J Higgins on.

I would feel safe in concluding that Vinnie gave pedantic Joe a nice vehicle to spout his 1970 Socialism on ??.

On that basis I would hold out little hope that it make any kind of serious impact.

He had him on doing the newspaper preview alongside Noreen Hegarty... not exactly a vehicle to spout his views but he did try to go on a bit of a rant all the same.

constitutionus

i was watching it and thought it was very amateurish what with vincent reading from papers in his hand but as said the potentials there. did seem a bit weird that brown attacked the FG guy about his funding instead of talking about the peice they'd just seen.

not saying its not valid and it was fun to see your man panic but did seem to come out of left field. didnt help vinnie got his facts wrong about the bertie lodgements and the guy he was slagging had to correct him.

format threw me though. i nipped out to the jax, came back to see the weather on and presumed the show was over and turned off. found out later there was a whole other section.

i for one cant stand sport so if it is on thats when they'll lose me as a viewer though have to admit to being miffed at missing joe higgins. dail reports not the same without him frightening the crap out of bertie.:) so any chance to see him is fine with me. and i like the idea of a newspaper round up.

all in all it was more fun than Q&A that night which seems to have the entire audience filled with inbred "young" party hacks. seriously were these guys ever normal?

Dublin's Finest

Anyone else notice VB introduce Noirin Hegarty as Noirin Slattery?

I don't think she noticed it herself as she never corrected him!

The most useful segment was the papers. Though lifted from Newsnight, it's simple and very handy to get our own titles' frontpages.

flogen

Dublin's Finest wrote: »

Anyone else notice VB introduce Noirin Hegarty as Noirin Slattery?

I don't think she noticed it herself as she never corrected him!

The most useful segment was the papers. Though lifted from Newsnight, it's simple and very handy to get our own titles' frontpages.

I'm glad they give us a little bit more than just the actual headlines, too, which is all Newsnight tend to do.

That said it seemed a bit rushed and could have taken more time - they just need to drop the sport and weather and they'll be fine!

sudzs

How come they use the Sky News jingle ???

flogen

sudzs wrote: »

How come they use the Sky News jingle ???

It's the same as the previous TV3 News jingle, just slightly tweaked.

I'm not 100% on the Sky News one but I'm pretty sure they're quite different.

FlutterinBantam

Took a look at it last night..impressions

To late

Too dark

Why do they need television for a show,that is more suited for radio

Switched off when some dude with a big meat head and red tie kept "harrumping" every 40 secs or so.

Tommy T

i'm a vincent fan. I was very upset when RTE pulled his radio show. So needless to say I'm delighted to have him back on the airwaves. Last night was the first show I saw. I like the backround and he seems to be much more comfortable in front of the cameras then when he was on Primetime. I'd say TV3 give him more power and leeway to be 'himself' than the RTE lot.

Only grumble is that its not on for the hour...

mike65

Average veiwing figures

Mike.

monument

mike65 wrote: »

Average veiwing figures

Mike.

Love the Independent.ie article - "'Nightly News with Vincent Browne' (pictured right)"... no picture with the online story, but when I viewed it there was an ad for the show appearing to the right.

Elmo

My bais towards TV3 really doesn't help.

I like Vincent Browne but I feel he is now in league with the devil, I assume the dark red set helps with that image.

I only saw Thursday Nights episode. I only got the end of it, did they take 2 add breaks?

I from what I can see its TV3 News Tonight with a New (ish) presenter.

I think it is trying to be too much like his Radio show. Will they go as far as dramatising the Tribunals?

I always think it is funny when people go on about how RTE don't have a newsnight type of show on RTE Two. Yet they have an earlier show called Prime Time which is a similar type show to NewsNight, why would RTE put out two similar shows straight after one another.

mike65

Once upon a time Today Tonight (and its precedessor 7 Days) was on 3 nights a week Tues/Wed/Thurs at least. 30 mins a programme I think.

Mike.

flogen

Elmo wrote: »

I always think it is funny when people go on about how RTE don't have a newsnight type of show on RTE Two. Yet they have an earlier show called Prime Time which is a similar type show to NewsNight, why would RTE put out two similar shows straight after one another.

I think the complaint revolves more around the fact that PT is only on twice a week, rather than the quality of PT itself.

constitutionus

actually i wouldnt mind a dramatisation of the tribunals. it'd certainly be better comedy than anyting RTE is putting out

ateam

Early days for the show. I'm happy that it's 40 minutes and not 30, so it gives more time for interviews. I really hate programmes like Newstalks breakfast's show which carries one minute interviews. They seem to aim to stuff as many as many interviews as possible into a 15 minute segment. Some of their interviews are literally laughable, the interviewer asks only one question and that's it. Quality over quantity for that show. Rant over.

But Vincent is ok and very un-TV3, hard to say if this programme will last. It's a pity TV3 don't have a second news bulletin.

mckenna45

The daily mirror editor came acorss as a proper clown when he was on the show.

Elmo

I'm happy that it's 40 minutes and not 30

Is it 40 mins?

Didn't notice, only one add break which is a change.

I notice how TV3 give the viewing figures for ITV News at 10 and BBC's Newsnight for ROI, but not for RTE News on Two.

I also think their is too much talk about the front pages. TV3 News our aim is to read all the newspapers. Come on they do the same on Ireland AM every morning as well :rolleyes:

I think it would be better if it had two stories, with a bit attached on to the end about the newspapers, say 5 mins not 15.

It will suffer due to the low viewing figures for TV3 from 9 - 11, it's not supported by any of TV3's Top shows, at this stage of the night most have turn over to RTE 1 or 2. They cann't support the show with bad american imports like American's Pushyist Parents.

flogen

Elmo wrote: »

I think it would be better if it had two stories, with a bit attached on to the end about the newspapers, say 5 mins not 15.

It usually only is 5-10 minutes and in fairness they're probably only given the front page, so can't go too far into stories featured... especially with tabloids.

Elmo

It usually only is 5-10 minutes and in fairness they're probably only given the front page, so can't go too far into stories featured... especially with tabloids.

Anytime I have watched it they have had two guest talking about the front page. It seems like a waste of guest/interview time to me.

flogen

Elmo wrote: »

Anytime I have watched it they have had two guest talking about the front page. It seems like a waste of guest/interview time to me.

Yeah, maybe they could do with 1 guest rather than 2 as it can get a bit muddled at times and one always out-talks the other.

I misread your above post when you said they should have 2 stories; thought you meant they should talk about 2 stories from the newspapers in depth, rather than giving brief mention to 5.

The first edition of the show had 2 stories/packages in it followed by the newspapers - one was basically discussing the main story of the day in-depth and the other was more of a pseudo-investigation piece. I'm not sure if they changed that because it wasn't sitting well with viewers or was too difficult to research/produce on a daily basis.

nacho libre

I'd love if he managed to get Eoghan Harris to come on... the sparks would surely fly between the two of them at some stage.
Actually, i recall Harris refused to come on a RTE show which Browne briefly hosted.

Stargal

Vincent was on fire last night when he interviewed/grilled the guy from the IMO. He seems to be settling in to the role now - last week it seemed forced at times - but last night he asked some great questions and it made for great tv. Only problem was when he kept shouting the guy down and the sarkiness at the end.

Dublin's Finest

Stargal wrote: »

Vincent was on fire last night when he interviewed/grilled the guy from the IMO. He seems to be settling in to the role now - last week it seemed forced at times - but last night he asked some great questions and it made for great tv. Only problem was when he kept shouting the guy down and the sarkiness at the end.

Made great TV, but the matter at hand was obscured by his shouting and sniping about a deal - self-servng or not - that happened 7 years ago.

FlutterinBantam

nacho libre wrote: »

I'd love if he managed to get Eoghan Harris to come on... the sparks would surely fly between the two of them at some stage.
Actually, i recall Harris refused to come on a RTE show which Browne briefly hosted.

Indeed the sparks wouldn't fly,because Vinnie only takes on those he knows he can browbeat,like lowly councellors or backbenchers too dazzled by studio lights to respond.

The day i see him take on Joe Higgins about his outdated 1970 commie policies,Mary O'Rourke about the mess she made of Eircom,Michael D Higgins about his airy fairy waffle on every subject under the sun except the ones pertinent to his constituency is the day I MIGHT respect the man.

Until then he is like the above named,a shaper and a straw man,who uses the system to feather the nest quite well indeed.

Elmo

Michael D Higgins about his airy fairy waffle on every subject under the sun except the ones pertinent to his constituency

Michael D is a TD, he has to represent to whole Island not just issues in his own constituency.

I assume you mean Airy Fairy Waffle like the Irish Film Industry which he was able to revive/start up?

Mary O'Rourke about the mess she made of Eircom

Old news

Dublin's Finest

Bit of an unnecessary attack on Michael D there I think - one of the better TDs I always thought.

True what you say about the browbeating - Leo Varadkar was a good example last night, he really was fodder.

flogen

Dublin's Finest wrote: »

Bit of an unnecessary attack on Michael D there I think - one of the better TDs I always thought.

True what you say about the browbeating - Leo Varadkar was a good example last night, he really was fodder.

In fairness Varadkar is hardly a shrinking violet.

I disagree with Flutter and think that sparks would fly if Browne and Harris went head to head - they did when Halligan and Harris shared the same studio just a few weeks ago.

Elmo

I disagree with Flutter and think that sparks would fly if Browne and Harris went head to head - they did when Halligan and Harris shared the same studio just a few weeks ago.

Harris cann't stand someone in total disagreement with him, he cann't have an arguement without the other person being in some way pro his own ideas.

FlutterinBantam

flogen wrote: »

In fairness Varadkar is hardly a shrinking violet.

I disagree with Flutter and think that sparks would fly if Browne and Harris went head to head - they did when Halligan and Harris shared the same studio just a few weeks ago.

Maybe you are right there.

Just seems Browne seems to pick and choose those who he deigns to "take on" and those he doesn't.

Seems to be up to him whatever attitude he adopts rather than the view of the interviewee.

On the Ml D Higgins issue.. I never everheard him do other than give the little elf full and free rein to expound his madcap theories and radical views without even the slightest tug on the reins!!!

Not only that, but he leans back in admiration of the tosh and waffle the little man spouts, like a Himalayan mountain stream in early Spring,and allows the overspill to run uncontained by the banks of reality, into the flood plains of sheer fantasy and utter rhetoric.

mike65

FlutterinBantam, I'm starting to suspect who you might be!

Mike.

Elmo

Not only that, but he leans back in admiration of the tosh and waffle the little man spouts, like a Himalayan mountain stream in early Spring,and allows the overspill to run uncontained by the banks of reality, into the flood plains of sheer fantasy and utter rhetoric.

He sounds like MD himself.

On the Ml D Higgins issue.. I never everheard him do other than give the little elf full and free rein to expound his madcap theories and radical views without even the slightest tug on the reins!!!

You know Section 35 really was madcapped! did nothing for the country

Just seems Browne seems to pick and choose those who he deigns to "take on" and those he doesn't.

I thought that until I saw how he took on Leo Varadkar and was able at the same time to put a different set of questions to the FF guy and rattle him a bit. I would have to rewatch it but TV3 don't put their shows on the web.

Leo Varadkar is FGs spokesperson on Enterprise, Trade & Employment. He is not a backbencher and should be well able for VB.

moe_sizlak

nacho libre wrote: »

I'd love if he managed to get Eoghan Harris to come on... the sparks would surely fly between the two of them at some stage.
Actually, i recall Harris refused to come on a RTE show which Browne briefly hosted.

one lefty blustering bufoon taking on one neo conservative blustering bufoon

would be celebrity death match , irish style