paranormal groups together

DANNY22XX

well guys just going through the web and anyone in paranormal groups from ireland join the likes of international investigators,,,or sites similar,,,
now i have no probs with that at all in fact our group is probly on most of them,,,but i was wondering,,why dont the irish groups here get together and start something like all ireland paranormal association or org what ever..its sad when i have to check out an american site to check out what my paranormal friends here are getting up to,,,,so who would be intrested in getting something together were we can share ideas and have like sister groups.
i know our team are up for it what about yours,,,.
paranormal commuinity is great but i thought a commuinity starts from home

iamhunted

aye. as in a way for all the groups to keep in touch with each other and work with/help each other out? Are Irish groups interested in doing that though? - maybe thats why it hasnt happened up to now ....

Rather than trying to get everyone together I'd suggest just contacting groups you;d want to work with .... build up a representative irish body that way.

Not The Real Scarecrow

I'd be really interested in doing so, I have designed and set up a few different web sites and stuff like that, don't have much free time to do so at the moment though and I presume that most people are like that.If people are interested though I might suggest that if we started planning what we would actually do and how we could do it, then maybe over the next while we could start to organise such a group and assigning projects to people that would be interested in it.

iamhunted

the web end of it is easily sorted as leinsterParanormal (dannys group) already have the capabilities to host and design sites. whats probably needed web wise is a handy enough forum for people to communicate through (like this one for example) - after all theres no point in having numberous places for people to commincate through.

the harder to achieve but yet most important aspect would be the groups working with and helping each other out with investigations, advise and general comradery. A website may be needed but only to act as a communication device. personally though, I dont see the point in a seperate site as each group already has a site of their own where they can put up documents, blogs etc etc and use a central forum such as this to share the information.

LeinsterParanormal radio and TV for example have been trying to get in touch with various irish groups to interview for their webtv and web radio shows .. though I dont think anyone has taken up the offer yet (if anyone fancies an interview let us know)

6th

I tried this a couple of years ago and it didnt go to well, things might be different now with a few new groups around.

We've always used the forum here as a hub with members of different groups and individuals coming along on investigations and nights out.

I know I organised about 6 or 7 trips through here with groups like Soul Searchers coming along. As well as that there has usually been a reasonable turn out when we go to the pub.

The problem as I see it is that some groups tend not to offer up places on their investigation, and also alot of groups in Ireland and up north came about from splitting with other groups so there is a certain amount of politics involved.

I had always prefered working as an individual who got involved with as many groups and other enthusiats as possible. But as always these things evolve and I am now part of a group who is more than happy to share and get involved.

I've been quiet enough on here for the last year (compared to other years) because of the arrival of 6th jnr but I'm gearing up for a very busy year with plenty of surprises

iamhunted

we had a great discussion on this last night on the Leinster Paranormal Radio Show 2

seriously - this could be interesting. If you are in a paranormal group in ireland, say something on this thread ....

stevenmu

Funny you should bring this up, it's an idea I've thought of before. I've started doing up a website for it before and scrapped it a few times. But I've started doing it again recently and I was going to post soon to see what features people thought would be good.

In short, I didn't have anything as official as an association in mind, altough that's a fantastic idea if someone was to organise one. I'm simply putting together a portal for groups to integrate, co-operate and share information.

What I have in mind so far for the site is
-a few forums to cover the range of paranormal topics.
-forum(s) for each individual group
-blogs/pages for groups is desired
-An investigations database that groups could use to track investigations and store results, images and other media. It would be searchable by location, types of tests carried out, dates, groups etc.
-A research database storing details of research going on around the world, again fully searchable.

Has anybody any other ideas or anything they'd like to see ?

6th

I'm actually giggling here because I've nearly completed my version of this which will tie in with a much bigger project currently in the works.

Part of my idea would be to regulate prices of locations so groups dont get ripped off. There is a site in the US which does this but also black lists groups which promote paying above the odds for open investigations - I dont think I'd go that far.

My fear would be that it would look like traffic was being directed away from here, which could only be a bad thing for the community.

iamhunted

hahaha - ye's must be psychic

I havent gotten much further than the idea of groups working together to cover as much of the country as possible. Sharing contacts and info - plus we'd really like to get groups involved with web TV and web radio to stimulate a bit of discussion and to keep groups in contact with everyone.

A portal site is the right idea imo, to keep track of everything. I think this forum should be linked on the portal as the main discussion forum - its already here, we all already visit here so there'd be no point in recreating another forum for the same task really.

c.a.p.r.a

DANNY22XX wrote: »

well guys just going through the web and anyone in paranormal groups from ireland join the likes of international investigators,,,or sites similar,,,
now i have no probs with that at all in fact our group is probly on most of them,,,but i was wondering,,why dont the irish groups here get together and start something like all ireland paranormal association or org what ever..its sad when i have to check out an american site to check out what my paranormal friends here are getting up to,,,,so who would be intrested in getting something together were we can share ideas and have like sister groups.
i know our team are up for it what about yours,,,.
paranormal commuinity is great but i thought a commuinity starts from home

sounds great only thing is we all do things differant not sure it would work

6th

Yeah some groups take the spiritual route while others claim to be purely scientific and are against using psychics - until the join up in a commercial venture with a premium rate psychic hotline

Personally I dont see any reason why we all cant communicate a bit more ... no one is saying anyone has to follow any guidelines etc when it comings to investigating.

iamhunted

theres a lot of room for difference. or there *should* be a lot of room for difference. respect for others and a genuine interest in paranormal research would probably be the deciding factors if something like this would work.

Riamfada

boards has always acted as a neutral junction for the contact between almost all groups.

perhaps another stickie as a directory of groups sites and then locked

iamhunted

as in use boards as the portal and not set up some form of all ireland portal?

I think if that was workingthis thread wouldnt have any need to exist.

DANNY22XX

Grimes wrote: »

boards has always acted as a neutral junction for the contact between almost all groups.

perhaps another stickie as a directory of groups sites and then locked

that means boards are the mods of an all ireland group,,,the idea of what we are trying to do any one can come join with there group and post share not a thread to lock after its written.
if we get a member from each group to mod,,that would be the idea,,,,
it wont take anything from boards,,,im sure everyone here has more than one forum they are involved with.i have spoken to other groups about this and are very intrested,,
but they want a site and forum that they have contol over as well as members from boards would be,,,,not taking anything away from boards.
but for my team mates and others i think its the way forward,,,and about time to,
im sure all he webmakers could come up with somthing,,if they get there heads together,,,,if we organised a meeting for the groups then that would be a step in the right direction,,,i have no probs traveling to were ever it is .

Riamfada

I understand the validity of your point but it segregates the community from the public to lock it away in another website. Boards draws a massive ammount of interest into the paranormal and this is how many people get involved. Moving it to a forum, paid for by what group? modded by one member of each group (who would be the admins?)?

TBH I think Stevemu has done a grand job with the forum here, our space in possibly the most popular website in the country. Who are these other groups? Im only aware of a small few that post on boards atm?


The strength in this forum lies in its independence as I have stated. Take away that independence and ownership passes to one group who admin and make everyone else mods. Posters become limited to those who know the URL . Of course each group has its own forum or private space but a "super group"

Now Im not opposed to the idea. Im just pointing things out. A forum is just a forum

G

iamhunted

grimes, i think that if thats what you want then fair enough, but lets not make this a boards v the world scenario. as i said, this thread wouldnt exist if there already was some form of inclusive irish paranormal body, plus this forum isnt really the kind of thing I'd say any of us would have in mind.

to answer some questions though - Ive no problem hosting a portal site - its part of what I do for a living anyway. I dont think the issue is about moving to another forum, its about developing a site that will act as a focal point between those who need help from paranormal groups and the groups giving the help.

You are right when you say a forum is just a forum as this idea would be much more then a forum - in fact the forum would be the least important part of the structure.

Riamfada

I didnt say its what I wanted.

Grimessexybeast wrote:

Now Im not opposed to the idea. Im just pointing things out.

You didnt answer my questions either. So you would admin the Irish Paranormal Community and own the website therefore in essence owning it? Or whoever will be the ultimate authority for the site?

Its also not boards v the world at all. The reason most groups post here is because everyone posts as individuals on an independent medium.

and this thread started because you and another member of your group started it

Stoner

I am all up for meeting other groups as most of you know, I do find that there is an issue with this forum as it has to deal with such a large amount of people, but thats also the beauty of it.
However most groups I know of have recruited , attempted to recruit or stem from here, I know there are some who have not, I'm just talking about the people I know. There is the possibility that the goose and the golden egg will come into play.
However I feel that there is little or no control over the structure of the forum, there cant be it is not possible for this to be structured to suit just paranormal investigation groups, this forum is bigger then that, and another forum would not work either IMO.

I doubt that any other site in Ireland would draw in the same amount of people as boards. I'm a huge fan of boards, I've met people as a result of posting here that I don't think a paranormal investigation site would attract. With boards we have the help of the community i.e people from the photography forum giving a dig out with photos etc.

Although at the end of the day I feel that I would post in a forum that had dealings with paranormal investigations only, but even within that group there are people who either don't agree or get on with each other, we would need to get over this. I know Stevenmu and 6th have been discussing this type of set up for years.

I for one found that ghostvillage.com is a great site for this , although when i mentioned it on this forum I was reminded not to try to take people away from boards, this was not my intention but I saw/see where the comments were coming from.

I think that when we have a sit down in the next month or two that we could discuss this further, we could discuss Danny's ideas along with Stevenmus set up and the set up that 6th has (I've seen this and it seems like a good idea)

However I do think that a common discussion forum for all groups to link to could work, that way all equipment discussions would be in the one place etc. However control of this site would have to be very fair and open to new groups to join with equal power, otherwise people will just go their own way IMO, this could not be run by one or one group of teams IMO.

Anyway in short I think something needs to be done and a sit down would be best for this

Riamfada

Can it be done in a warehouse with dodgy italian accents and BMWs straegically placed around the building for maximum visual effect?

iamhunted

Grimes wrote: »

You didnt answer my questions either. So you would admin the Irish Paranormal Community

I would say people who make up that community, to be decided by people from that community

and own the website therefore in essence owning it? Or whoever will be the ultimate authority for the site?

I dont care who owns it ... I've offered to host it for free - Ive no hassle someone else running it for free. who cares who the ultimate authority is as long as groups make better contacts with each other. the site is basically an idea to bring groups together - the site itself is just a tool so it doesnt matter who believes they are the 'ultimate authority' - the community involved is the key point

Its also not boards v the world at all. The reason most groups post here is because everyone posts as individuals on an independent medium.

Sorry, but thats the impression I get. the assumption seems to be that every irish paranormal group posts on boards - this is not true.

and this thread started because you and another member of your group started it

this thread started as there is a need for more organisation between groups in ireland.

6th

Not every group in Ireland even has an online presence, and some have no interest in one either.

There are good ways of doing this that will work, I know because I have thought about it long and hard. Unfortunately I am snowed under this month and cant committ to sorting out my plans in the next few weeks.

Cormac, as much as I share your ideal of a community I know there are groups that see themselves as the big dogs and look down their noses at new and unestablished groups. There is alot of elitism and ego in this area - which is laughable because we are all fcukin' clueless ... thats the nature of the beast

I say lets take our time and build it up, starting with a meeting of a few groups in the coming months. There is no rush on this and if we take or time we will all see the benefits.

Who's with me?

iamhunted

im up for it

ghosthunter73

6th wrote: »

Yeah some groups take the spiritual route while others claim to be purely scientific and are against using psychics - until the join up in a commercial venture with a premium rate psychic hotline

Sorry 6th was this a dig at me??????? If it was first and foremost grow up! Secondly if you know anything we were ( as in past tense) consultants for these events and they were marketed as entertainment. They were not used as serious scientific research. Thirdly we are not against using mediums or Psychics we merely choose a different path.
:mad:

6th

Eh ... I dont know who you are so in answer to your question ... no.

6th

iamhunted wrote: »

im up for it

Well I kinda took that as given

As I said I am snowed under this month and Feb aint much better but we will definatly make this happen. We're all in it for the long haul so theres no real rush.

DANNY22XX

lets all calm down,,,i know we can all make this work and have a good time doing it,,,,i have the up most respect for groups that use mediums and those who dont as long as we are all on the path to find what is out there,thats what its all about ,

lets have a get together 1 or 2 from each group sit down and have a chat,and make this work..

DANNY22XX

c.a.p.r.a wrote: »

sounds great only thing is we all do things differant not sure it would work

but we all have the same goal,,,,

ghosthunter73

6th wrote: »

Eh ... I dont know who you are so in answer to your question ... no.

I am David from PRAI.

6th

Okay ... congratulation?

kshiel

I just read through this thread again and it seems that in some form or another people do agree about some sort of way for paranormal investigation teams to link up. Ladybird has sugguested a night out on the paranormaholic thread, why dont people meet up at this and talk in general (without fighting) about what they see, want, good and bad points of the whole thing. There are a lot of good groups out there and a lot of groups who have just started or thinking about starting who could use and benefit from people who are already established like all your good selves. It seems that this is not really a new idea but an idea which has been brought to light.

Or just go and have a few drinks and organise a night where a more detailed discussion would occur.

I can understand how the existing groups have worked there back sides off to get where they are now and may or may not want to or be ready to be part of a larger community or organised community (what ever way you want to look at it) but how many of these groups have had to reject investigations as it would be impossible at that time to get to a location for what ever reasons and wouldn't it be nice to be able to give over that investigation to a group who can and still gather the information from that investigation and help someone and give details which may enable all to learn something from it.

I love boards its enabled me to meet so many people which I would never had only for here. I would never stop using it but it does cover a fantastic range of topic and a wide prospective on all topic paranormal. But I think there could be room for what has is been discussed here.


Just my two sense.

ghosthunter73

6th wrote: »

Okay ... congratulation?

Ok, I can see your main goal is to stir trouble. All I wanted to know if you were having a go at myself or my group a simple yes or no would have been sufficient. You have had a go at my group on our forum and now giving me cheek?
I have not said a bad word about anyone here or on any other forum....it's called professional courtesy.
If you are serious about being part of a paranormal COMMUNITY you really should not be putting down other groups publicly whether it was directed at PRAI or not.
I apologize to everyone else here who has had to put up with this indiscretion. I will not be perusing this any further. If anyone has questions regarding PRAI please feel free to contact me rather than hiding behind obscurities.

David

6th

The topic here is about the paranormal community and groups, my comment was made on topic and was my opinion. If you have an issue feel free to report my post and/or contact me directly - having a strop here will achieve nothing other than to derail the topic.

6th

Ok so with regards to a semi formal network of irish paranormal investigation groups I have some idea but I think it should move to the stage of anyone on here who is interested can mail me and I'll get a mailing list together as well as those I know of that dont use Boards.ie

Some of the things I see this working with are:

• A general show of solidarity

• The discussion of locations with the aim of making sure groups are being treated fairly i.e. not being over charged etc.

• A mailing list and/or a bulletin board where groups can highlight upcoming events or promote any media coverage etc.

• A place for groups to seek new members. This would be handy as it would suit people looking to join a group - they could see who is in their area.

I am sure there are other uses so feel free to post here or drop me a line. A contact from each interested group would be great so we can all give our input.

What this wouldnt/shouldnt be is a set up where people are told what the should and shouldnt do. Group would have nothing to do with each other other than to network - there is no heirarchy, but we all know that.

I personally would frown on groups charging individuals above and beyond a reasonable rate to join in on trips - I've seen people charged stupid amounts to go on trips in the past. If its a commercial venture then it should be stated very clearly.

Opinions/Ideas/Suggestions?

6th

I got bored:

Stoner

6th wrote: »

I personally would frown on groups charging individuals above and beyond a reasonable rate to join in on trips - I've seen people charged stupid amounts to go on trips in the past. If its a commercial venture then it should be stated very clearly.

Opinions/Ideas/Suggestions?

I agree, and I have not seen any of the groups posting here who do that, I know that I get mails about open investigations from the PRAI that were the same price as we have been charged i.e. at cost, no more no less, very fair etc.

I agree with Ladybird and KShiles and no I'm not a woman:) a sit down at the end of the month would be great.
I've been on investigations with other Irish groups and I thought they were great, very interesting seeing different approaches. One however was too "sensitive based" for me and it ruined the trip for me TBH and I dont get the chance to do enough in a year so a messed up one really gets to me.

This is a hobby for me that I enjoy. I still have to work and pay bills and most times I never get to try all I want to try on an investigation, I find it difficult to fit enough investigations into year at the moment, I'd love a few more simple Dublin locations that could be done on a week night, going to the same places over and over again is boring. So throwing some places around would be great, I know I got a new one this christmas that I will share once I investigate it to see if there is anything behind it. (it can be rented)
I love the boards community, but (not aimed at anyone) they are a lot of drop outs from here on trips. I like the size of our group and the fact that when we organise something that we do it (generally), thats very important for me, so meeting up with people with similar convictions would be great.

iamhunted

i think ive found an answer of sorts. NightWatchers was set up by Todd Sheets as a blanet group for other smalelr groups to get to gether and organise and discuss furthering their colelctive interests in the paranormal field. We were talking to Todd the other night about how we here in ireland would like to get to know other groups better etc etc etc and also stay in close contact with other groups throughout the world - NightWatchers seems to fit the bill as we would have our own irish section on their site yet we could easily get in touch with any paranormal group the world over.

If anyone is interested, Leinster paranormal want to join NightWatchers (he's said we can have a NightWatchers Ireland setup) with the intention of working with other Irish groups. I think if we all want to help and work together without hitting the problemns outlined above (who admins, who owns this that and the other etc) then Nightwatchers is the way forward .. none of us own it, but yet its the perfect way to keep in touch and organise some jopint investigations etc etc.

As I say - Im looking for feedback and anyone interested so we can see if we can get this going ..

rather than me trying to explain this, heres what Todd has an an intro to their site.

Nightwatchers Mission Statement





OK - I have already written about this in a few areas - but I still get some questions, so this little letter here will answer all of these, I hope. First of all - what is Nightwatchers? Well - it all started about 9 months ago when I realized how many letters or messages I get a week asking how to get into this or how to find a group - some people had groups that burned them or were inactive. Some people had groups that had disbanded and were no more. Some were older investigators who just didn’t like some of the exposure that groups seek. Anyway, these letters made me think - wouldn't it be cool to have a place where ANYONE could go and do some investigations and share info. I talked to guests about it. I talked to groups about it. Everyone said how cool it would be. No one had thought of it or if they did, had not DONE it. A true huge, nation-wide Paranormal Group for people to be a part of that would be pro-active and positive and supportive.

Many letters asked how small groups or individuals could get into locations to study and investigate without a larger group with an established name. Now they can. Now all of this is possible. The Nightwatchers is for YOU. All of YOU. Some have said "I want to join but I am part of this group and can't." WHY NOT??? The whole GROUP can join!!! This is about UNITY. About sharing information, learning together and working together in the field and online!!! This is NOT about stepping on anyone's toes. It is NOT about hurting a group - or taking away from a group - BUT - it is about giving YOUR GROUP more resources, more strength and more power to get the places you want!!!

Do not ever be afraid to speak openly here - never fear ridicule or anger - we are a family and it's OK to disagree....

THIS is all about COMMUNITY -

So if someone signs up but does not drop in at all or does not even say Hello - it's like someone buying a house in our Community but never moving in!!! Kind of a waste really. But sad mostly - cuz they are losing all of this - strength in numbers - power to YOU, the people!


We at Nightwatchers are committed to:

Providing each other with support and an area to speak freely and without fear of ridicule.

Provide better understanding of tools and techniques used in Ghost Investigations

Provide a strong community of people who investigate areas all over the USA

Provide both large and small locations to investigate all over the USA

To help connect groups and people from the same area to go to locations and investigate

To provide areas where you can post evidence and get honest opinions without fear of attacks.

To provide areas where you can post and find links to locations for investigations in your area as well as finding online Paranormal resources!

To ALWAYS conduct ourselves in a professional and friendly manner to locations and to each other – to remain respectful to people and property and to always handle everything we do with integrity, honestly and honor!!!!

Help people who are experiencing paranormal activity FREE of charge - ALWAYS. Look for evidence of paranormal activity and Educate the general public about paranormal phenomenon in our communities.

Always handle the field with logic, tolerance and integrity. To always be open as individuals to new ideas and new evidence.. To learn and grow together as a community seeking answers in the realm of the Paranormal!

Most of all HAVE FUN and be PRODUCTIVE and help each other - this is YOUR COMMUNITY - make it the best it can be!!!

As a member of THIS community, you have more clout than you may realize. It's just a matter of standing up and making your voice heard! Be patient and kind to each other at all times and keep up the good work with how you welcome new people - joining a community this large can be intimidating at first, but this group always makes it so easy to fit right in!!! Good going!!!

Keep promoting Nightwatchers in the way you are all doing it so far - don't pester or beg or bother - just nudge gently - hehehe - let you friends and other groups know that there is an alternative and right now as the field of the Paranormal seems to be growing petty and more and more back-stabbing and nit-picking and insane gossip grows - this community needs to stand taller, stronger and louder that we are FREE of that horse crap! We are the future of Paranormal Investigation dammit - and no one can stop us!!!

Stoner

sounds good I am haunted, I've seen this in operation before with some new york groups, they all share a forum, well found

6th

Count me in, its easier to jump on something thats already established.

DANNY22XX

WELL THANK GOD FOR THAT:p

iamhunted

todd wants to interview myself and danny on his Nightwatch show, so we'll be discussing this with him and hopefully start getting the ball rolling on it

steve...

DANNY22XX wrote: »

well guys just going through the web and anyone in paranormal groups from ireland join the likes of international investigators,,,or sites similar,,,
now i have no probs with that at all in fact our group is probly on most of them,,,but i was wondering,,why dont the irish groups here get together and start something like all ireland paranormal association or org what ever..its sad when i have to check out an american site to check out what my paranormal friends here are getting up to,,,,so who would be intrested in getting something together were we can share ideas and have like sister groups.
i know our team are up for it what about yours,,,.
paranormal commuinity is great but i thought a commuinity starts from home

hi my name is steve,i,ve just moved from hertfordshire to donegal...i have been in a paranormal group for 2 years and love it...can anyone tell me is there any groups in Donegal or where are the groups.....cheers

MrMojoRisin

steve... wrote: »

hi my name is steve,i,ve just moved from hertfordshire to donegal...i have been in a paranormal group for 2 years and love it...can anyone tell me is there any groups in Donegal or where are the groups.....cheers

Hi Steve,

Well, there's 'Paranormal Ulster' (not sure exactly which part of N.I. they're based in), run by a fella named Mike Hirons, who have a website: http://www.paranormalulster.com/#/about-mike/4548940942 They also have a link to their Facebook page on that web page, so you could add them as a friend.

Then there's this group named 'Laghey Hauntings', who have a Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/laghey.hauntings I think they're based in Donegal.

Then you have the more serious paranormal research foundations (which would still entail practical fieldwork, like in a run-of-the-mill paranormal investigation team). Not sure if they tend to routinely seek new members, but it might be worth contacting them anyway.

The Northern Ireland Paranormal Research Association (NIPRA): http://www.nipra.co.uk/ I don't know where in N.I. the association is based, but I'd imagine they cover a lot of ground within the whole province regardless.

That's all I can come up with, tbh.