Snoop

dubmick

Right, hands up who didn't realise she was a woman?

Only found out today when checking the wikipedia page. Also did time for murder :eek:

chalkitdown1

I didn't know 'til I read the character Bio's on the HBO website. This was after having watched all of season 4.

godtabh

Didnt realise it for a long time.

She plays herself (more or less) in the Wire. I wouldnt mess with her!

JPA

I didn't know until after I had finished Season 4 but if you watch it and season 3 again they don't hide it and say her and girl.

ixoy

JPA wrote: »

I if you watch it and season 3 again they don't hide it and say her and girl.

That's how I knew - they said it I think it's said in the hardware store in S4 for example.

RVD420

Didn't cop it till having a conversation with a mate in the boozer...

"Ya know that kid who hangs with Marlo's enforcer, he's annoying. Why isn't he going to school with the rest of them?"

"Erm....that's not a "he"".

"WTF!!!!!"

Scary woman.

jayteecork

one of the victim#s grandmother;s im season 4, one of the guys who ended up being nailed into an abondened house.
She said she believed a boy called Chris and a girl called Snoop were responsible.
I still didn't believe it so I checked Wikipedia. Unreal. apparently stephen king thinks she's the most genuinely frightening female character ever created.

Crumbs

I was confused at first too but it was clear in the dialogue that she was female.

Decent article on the actress and character here.

DeepBlue

She has the strongest and most indecipherable Baltimore accent on the show. I still can't make out what she's saying to the sales clerk when she's buying the nail gun in the opening scene of season 4.
I think I'll just have to wait till the DVD comes out and turn on the subtitles .

jArgHA

Crumbs wrote: »

I was confused at first too but it was clear in the dialogue that she was female.

Decent article on the actress and character here.

Thanks for the link, very interesting article. I didn't know she was convicted for and did time for murder in reality! She is pretty damn scary on the show - I think the fact that the character is female makes her all the more frightening.

jayteecork

I didn't know that she met Omar in some nightclub.
Gotta be a gay club right? Omar there for the boys, Snoop there for the girls.

PDelux

I didn't know that she met Omar in some nightclub.
Gotta be a gay club right? Omar there for the boys, Snoop there for the girls.

Yea i think she is gay. There is a bit in the last ep of season 4 where Bunk has her and Chris on the curb and she says :
Snoop :"you think you all that hasslin n*****s and s**t"
Bunk :"no, i know i'm all that...i'm just thinking about p***y".
Snoop: "yea me too!"

Rawls is gay too.

jayteecork

PDelux wrote: »

Yea i think she is gay. There is a bit in the last ep of season 4 where Bunk has her and Chris on the curb and she says :
Snoop :"you think you all that hasslin n*****s and s**t"
Bunk :"no, i know i'm all that...i'm just thinking about p***y".
Snoop: "yea me too!"

Rawls is gay too.

Yeah I noticed Rawls in that gay bar in season 3.
Funny, most of my wire friends missed him. They didn't believe me and had to rewatch!!

I hope they go somewhere with Rawls being gay in this season

dubmick

I couldn't believe it when I saw Rawls in the gay bar. Surely that has to come out in the last series.

godtabh

dubmick wrote: »

I couldn't believe it when I saw Rawls in the gay bar. Surely that has to come out in the last series.

I think that was just a throw away thing. They didnt explore it at all. Maybe he was just bi- curious ?

ixoy

dubmick wrote: »

I couldn't believe it when I saw Rawls in the gay bar. Surely that has to come out in the last series.

Not necessarily. The show is above having to explore the minute moments of each character's lives. There's too many of them for that alone. I don't think there's a good reason to explore it further currently.

Sherifu

ixoy wrote: »

That's how I knew - they said it I think it's said in the hardware store in S4 for example.

Ditto, i heard them say it too.
I didn't realise till then though.
It was a wtf moment

ixoy

rkm wrote: »

Ditto, i heard them say it too.
I didn't realise till then though.
It was a wtf moment

Yep, I hadn't realised until that nailgun scene as well! I had to play it back to be sure I had heard it correctly.
They also say "she" in the new season - you just have to watch out for it.

PDelux

I couldn't believe it when I saw Rawls in the gay bar. Surely that has to come out in the last series.

There was also another reference to his gayness in season 4, some graffitti on the wall in the toilet when the homicide sergeant is looking in the mirror.

Boston

Theres a scene in season three where shes on a passenger on a bike and takes a short at some corner, her clothes left no doubt to her gender.

godtabh

Boston wrote: »

Theres a scene in season three where shes on a passenger on a bike and takes a short at some corner, her clothes left no doubt to her gender.

Dont remember that at all.

Sherifu

Ya i remember it well cause i only just watched them over the christmas. She had a full body pink jump suit on. It never clicked that it was snoop though. She shot at Poo and some big dude. It looked like Poo was killed but it was the big guy that was killed.

DeepBlue

rkm wrote: »

She shot at Poo and some big dude. It looked like Poo was killed but it was the big guy that was killed.

Poor ol' Poot might be offended at being called Poo .

Sherifu

DeepBlue wrote: »

Poor ol' Poot might be offended at being called Poo .

Indeed.

Boston

Well it wasn't a full bodies pink jump suit but it was pink and white jacket with tight jeans. In a scene prior to that marlo says you're up to snoop and then theres the attack.

JPA

They also call her girl in Season 3 which I've rewatched recently.

Sherifu

The motorbike hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNg-ohgcsnk

Attractive Nun

On the gay thing, apparently David Simon and the writers thought it important to have 'gay' characters whose sexuality wasn't their 'primary' character trait. If you think about it, and this is their attitude too, there are very few characters on television who just happen to be gay, without it their sexuality being somehow integral to the plot.

We know Omar, for example, as the tough, cruel but principled bandit. We know Snoop as the cold, heartless and witty assassin. We know Kima as the strong, competent but somewhat distant police officer. We know Rawls as the career-obsessed, conservative and witty major. That these characters (with the probable exception of Kima, who occasionally speaks of her sexuality as affecting her work) are gay is largely incidental, and it doesn't really affect their professional life - which is mainly what The Wire is concerned with.

This is just another way in which the Wire is more true to reality than anything else on television. Being gay isn't the 'big deal' it's usually made out to be on TV, gay people aren't all like they're portrayed on Will and Grace. The Wire is one of few shows I can think of that really acknowledges this.

godtabh

Attractive Nun wrote: »

That these characters (with the probable exception of Kima, who occasionally speaks of her sexuality as affecting her work) are gay is largely incidental, and it doesn't really affect their professional life - which is mainly what The Wire is concerned with.

DOesnt Omar being gay have a big impact when his boy firend gets killed? I think it is a bigger factor here than any were else

jayteecork

Attractive Nun wrote: »

On the gay thing, apparently David Simon and the writers thought it important to have 'gay' characters whose sexuality wasn't their 'primary' character trait. If you think about it, and this is their attitude too, there are very few characters on television who just happen to be gay, without it their sexuality being somehow integral to the plot.

We know Omar, for example, as the tough, cruel but principled bandit. We know Snoop as the cold, heartless and witty assassin. We know Kima as the strong, competent but somewhat distant police officer. We know Rawls as the career-obsessed, conservative and witty major. That these characters (with the probable exception of Kima, who occasionally speaks of her sexuality as affecting her work) are gay is largely incidental, and it doesn't really affect their professional life - which is mainly what The Wire is concerned with.

This is just another way in which the Wire is more true to reality than anything else on television. Being gay isn't the 'big deal' it's usually made out to be on TV, gay people aren't all like they're portrayed on Will and Grace. The Wire is one of few shows I can think of that really acknowledges this.

Well said.

PDelux

On the gay thing, apparently David Simon and the writers thought it important to have 'gay' characters whose sexuality wasn't their 'primary' character trait. If you think about it, and this is their attitude too, there are very few characters on television who just happen to be gay, without it their sexuality being somehow integral to the plot.

We know Omar, for example, as the tough, cruel but principled bandit. We know Snoop as the cold, heartless and witty assassin. We know Kima as the strong, competent but somewhat distant police officer. We know Rawls as the career-obsessed, conservative and witty major. That these characters (with the probable exception of Kima, who occasionally speaks of her sexuality as affecting her work) are gay is largely incidental, and it doesn't really affect their professional life - which is mainly what The Wire is concerned with.

This is just another way in which the Wire is more true to reality than anything else on television. Being gay isn't the 'big deal' it's usually made out to be on TV, gay people aren't all like they're portrayed on Will and Grace. The Wire is one of few shows I can think of that really acknowledges this.

That's a very good observation and it shows how well the characters are developed.

JPA

kearnsr wrote: »

DOesnt Omar being gay have a big impact when his boy firend gets killed? I think it is a bigger factor here than any were else

Ya but it could easily have been his girlfriend and the story would have been the same.

godtabh

JPA wrote: »

Ya but it could easily have been his girlfriend and the story would have been the same.

But the people who killed him had a real resentment because he was gay. It wasn’t there thing

tvnutz

kearnsr wrote: »

But the people who killed him had a real resentment because he was gay. It wasn’t there thing

Actually to be honest I think it was more that he robbed their drugs and shot one of their guys,if he had a girlfriend and she held up the place with him,the result would have been the same.

jayteecork

Speaking of Omar, I was passing the cereal section of Tesco the other day and had to pick up a packet of Honey Nut Cheerios in his honour.
Man, those things are tasty.

Sherifu

JPA wrote: »

Ya but it could easily have been his girlfriend and the story would have been the same.

tvnutz wrote: »

Actually to be honest I think it was more that he robbed their drugs and shot one of their guys,if he had a girlfriend and she held up the place with him,the result would have been the same.

I agree, the fact he was gay didn't stop him being a badass narcotics liberator. Him being homosexual may have been another reason for the Avon crew to hate him but primarily it was because he stole from them that they wanted revenge. If he was straight and they tortured his girlfriend to get to him, it would have been the same thing.

ixoy

tvnutz wrote: »

Actually to be honest I think it was more that he robbed their drugs and shot one of their guys,if he had a girlfriend and she held up the place with him,the result would have been the same.

Yup, that's how I saw it. It's one of the first things that impressed me about the show as well - they didn't make a huge deal of it. Normally a show would have had his character declare it within five seconds, or make it some shameful secret. Instead it's just one facet of his personality, not the dominant one and that is such a breath of fresh air from the generally almost homophobic reek we got off of American TV.

Boston

JPA wrote: »

Ya but it could easily have been his girlfriend and the story would have been the same.

I think the way in which events where portrayed would have been different somewhat. If it had of been a girlfriend she would have been hardened like snoop and we wouldn't have been as horrified in the same way we where by what happened to the soft boy Brandon.

As to who ever suggested it earlier, Michael K Williams is gay, he's straight.

JPA

Boston wrote: »

I think the way in which events where portrayed would have been different somewhat. If it had of been a girlfriend she would have been hardened like snoop and we wouldn't have been as horrified in the same way we where by what happened to the soft boy Brandon.

As to who ever suggested it earlier, Michael K Williams is gay, he's straight.

Why would she have been hardened? And Brandon was hardly a soft boy considering he was part of the gun wielding stick up crew.

Chevano Riley

(season 5, episode 4 spoiler):

on the earlier point of Rawls being gay, it could possibly be lined up to be the scandal that get Daniels straight into the interim police commissioner job, bypassing being a deputy.

but yeah, i prefer to think of it as a throwaway joke, for which it is hilarious