ceist - tuiseal ginideach

conor2007

do numbers take the ginideach

bord amhain

would amhain change , or does it not change in the ginideach

dranoel

conor2007 wrote: »

do numbers take the ginideach

bord amhain

would amhain change , or does it not change in the ginideach

amháin dosen't change (watch the á)

You don't have to worry about the tuiseal ginideach when counting things but it does apply to people. You have to use the genetive plural after beirt, triúr, ceathrar etc.

conor2007

thanks

how do you change beirt,triur etc ?

JC 2K3

amháin isn't a noun, it's an adjective, therefore there is no word in the tuiseal ginideach in the phrase "bord amháin".

Also, amháin is an exception, as it follows the noun, all other numbers preceed it. The numbers 2 to 6 give a "h" to the following noun, and 7-10 give an urú. ie.

dhá bhord
trí bhord
ceithre bhord
cúig bhord
sé bhord
seacht mbord
ocht mbord
naoi mbord
deich mbord

Notice also that you don't change the noun to it's plural version when a number preceeds it.

JC 2K3

dranoel wrote: »

amháin dosen't change (watch the á)

You don't have to worry about the tuiseal ginideach when counting things but it does apply to people. You have to use the genetive plural after beirt, triúr, ceathrar etc.

AFAIK, that's wrong.

For counting people, you always add a "h" after "beirt" and "bean" is always in the ginideach iolra, ie. "ban". But for 3-10 and any other noun, you just leave the noun in the ainmneach uatha.

eg.
beirt bhan
triúr ban
beirt fhear
triúr fear

I'm open to correction on this, however.

conor2007

alrite thanks

i know the 1-6 7 etc and the singular

ah its an adjective , well that explains the no tuiseal ginideach , thanks!

dranoel

JC 2K3 wrote: »

AFAIK, that's wrong.

For counting people, you always add a "h" after "beirt" and "bean" is always in the ginideach iolra, ie. "ban". But for 3-10 and any other noun, you just leave the noun in the ainmneach uatha.

eg.
beirt bhan
triúr ban
beirt fhear
triúr fear

I'm open to correction on this, however.

I agree with you on the h after beirt but it's definitely the genetive plural (ginideach iolra) in this case. The spelling for 'fear' is the same in the genetive plural and the nominative singular (aimneach uatha). But for in the instance of ceoltóir they are different - you would say:

triúr ceoltóirí

JC 2K3

I would have said "triúr ceoltóir" and "cotaí na triúr ceoltóirí".

Though a site I found on google tells me that it should be, in fact, "triúr ceoltóirí".

You learn something new every day...

Múinteoir

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I would have said "triúr ceoltóir" and "cotaí na triúr ceoltóirí".

Though a site I found on google tells me that it should be, in fact, "triúr ceoltóirí".

You learn something new every day...

You're not wrong as such JC 2K3. There is a basis to 'triúr ceoltóir' in the dialects, but the Caighdeán now recommends 'triúr ceoltóirí'.

JC 2K3

Yeah, I'd a feeling that was the case.

Aard

conor2007 wrote: »

ah its an adjective , well that explains the no tuiseal ginideach , thanks!

I know it's not the original question you asked, but seeing as you mentioned it in what I've quoted above, I think you should know that an adjective does take the genitive if the noun it describes does too.

conor2007

sorry , what?

can you give me an example please - - i think

Aard

Like:
an fear beag
hata an fhir bhig

^Both the 'fear' and 'beag' are in the genitive because they are of the same noun phrase.