Achtung, achtung!! Schweinhunds....

El Stuntman

well there goes some more punters.....

details here

lots of Germans on my network (Everest) and I suspect many on iPoker too, bad news...

luckylucky

El Stuntman wrote: »

well there goes some more punters.....

details here

lots of Germans on my network (Everest) and I suspect many on iPoker too, bad news...

Sheit very bad news. :eek:

Sparky1808

USA, Now Germany, who's next?

Geh Einhandsegeln!

RoadSweeper

Expected more of the Germans ffs.

Mint Sauce

just recently started playing on line, have noticed quite alot on partypoker as well, dont consider it a problem

Tinytony

irish-stew wrote: »

just recently started playing on line, have noticed quite alot on partypoker as well, dont consider it a problem

Did you check the link?

He's not giving out about Germans playing! It's relating to new laws that have been passed in Germany to ban on-line gambling.

opr

Meh as a generalization i would have considered that germans have many traits which would help make them good at poker so maybe its a good thing to see them get banned

Opr

Mint Sauce

Tinytony wrote: »

Did you check the link?

He's not giving out about Germans playing! It's relating to new laws that have been passed in Germany to ban on-line gambling.

whoops, sorry, my bad, have now read link,

<first post in poker forum and its a bad one>

<hangs head>

luckylucky

irish-stew wrote: »

whoops, sorry, my bad, have now read link,

<first post in poker forum and its a bad one>

<hangs head>

I got the wrong impression too until I read the link. Easily done.

El Stuntman

opr wrote: »

Meh as a generalization i would have considered that germans have many traits which would help make them good at poker so maybe its a good thing to see them get banned

Opr

ja zis vill maybe stop zere onvard march to vorld poker domination, the humourless automatons that they are...;)

it's still disturbing to see an EU state take this anti-libertarian step. Maybe Imposter could take a peek at the German bit of 2+2 and give us some feedback on what the Krauts make of it all?

kakak1

this worries me, it could get like the smoking ban & spread to rest of Europe.

Also when our government gets round to regulating casinos & start getting "a take" from them they could well ban online betting

Duff Man Jr.

And people laughed when poserstars signed Boris Becker. Now they just have to sit back and wait for the Germans come to them.

luckylucky

opr wrote: »

Meh as a generalization i would have considered that germans have many traits which would help make them good at poker so maybe its a good thing to see them get banned

Opr

I've played against many Germans online and whatever positive traits they may have it doesn't translate well at all into poker imo, they tend to play far more predictably than just about any other ethnic group imo. Anyway I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's coz as a country the onlne poker boom was 2 or 3 years later than Ireland, UK and scandie Land. losing the Germans is only marginally less disastrous than it would be to lose the French.

I read somewhere a few months ago that China might be allowing online poker, now that would be very welcome

opr

luckylucky wrote: »

I've played against many Germans online and whatever positive traits they may have it doesn't translate well at all into poker imo, they tend to play far more predictably than just about any other ethnic group imo. Anyway I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's coz as a country the onlne poker boom was 2 or 3 years later than Ireland, UK and scandie Land. losing the Germans is only marginally less disastrous than it would be to lose the French.

I read somewhere a few months ago that China might be allowing online poker, now that would be very welcome

Fair enough i don't really pay enough attention to nationality to really know.

I just would have thought they would be less prone to tilt , more controled, calculating, logical and have less gamble in them than most.

Do you have any links to the China thing ? That would be amazing. I think anyone who plays poker seriously has been dreaming of the day that the asian players start to enter the online world poker market

Opr

phantom_lord

opr wrote: »

Fair enough i don't really pay enough attention to nationality to really know.

I just would have thought they would be less prone to tilt , more controled, calculating, logical and have less gamble in them than most.

Do you have any links to the China thing ? That would be amazing. I think anyone who plays poker seriously has been dreaming of the day that the asian players start to enter the online world poker market

Opr

without doubt!

PokerChild

phantom_lord wrote: »

without doubt!

http://www.playtech.com/html/index.php?page=5&id=146

Who knows... there may be a merge/overlap given that modern business term.. "synergy"

Probably worth keeping an eye on playtech to see what the site/software is.

RoadSweeper

There is german forums on 2+2 so i imagine they have quite a few players.

CHD

lol at boris becker

dvdfan

I never really got into depth on this ban that the americans and now the germans have in place but i presume its so citizens are not spending their cash gambling with foreign companies and giving how controlling and greedy the Chinese id say the chances of them letting this lucrative market outside their control is slim. Whats the current situation with gambling there is it illegal online and offline, is there casinos there, have they an online poker presence at all in China

luckylucky

chdpoker wrote: »

lol at boris becker

would it not be more like lol @ pokerstars, I'm sure one of the main reasons for getting him is to try to increase their exposure in the (soon to be non existing) german market.

dvdfan wrote: »

I never really got into depth on this ban that the americans and now the germans have in place but i presume its so citizens are not spending their cash gambling with foreign companies and giving how controlling and greedy the Chinese id say the chances of them letting this lucrative market outside their control is slim. Whats the current situation with gambling there is it illegal online and offline, is there casinos there, have they an online poker presence at all in China

I think that's a part of the reason. I think another part is that gambling in any form is frowned upon by a lot of people and in a country where fundamentalist Christianity is very powerful like the US then it is even more so in certain sections and obviously this includes politicians too, some who are genuinely aginst gambling and others who jump on the bandwagon.

Yeah I'm kind of sceptical when it comes to China allowing online poker, to be bluntly honest I think it would be a bad move on China's part to allow it, as almost certainly it would mean money flowing out of the country, especially in the early days, so unless the Chinese get something out of it, like having poker companies based in China, hmm maybe that's what this is about.

Maybe this whole Asia Pacific thing with Playtech doesn't include China? Another thing if iPoker get a huge increase in numbers how the hell is it going to cope? seems to be struggling as it is.

Anyways hopefully it will happen.

Getting back to the ban in germany, is this absolutely 100% definite happening?

Also are there any reports of possible bans coming in other european countries, if it got banned in Portugal it'd really be a disaster for me

eagle eye

I just went to reuters to check it out and no mention of it happening, which is strange. It has a mention of it way back in March but nothing recently.
While there i did see an article which says that Norway are in the process of doing something similar.

luckylucky

eagle eye wrote: »

While there i did see an article which says that Norway are in the process of doing something similar.

A bit of good news then

eagle eye

If they added Sweden to the list and Denmark, it would be very +ev

luckylucky

eagle eye wrote: »

I just went to reuters to check it out and no mention of it happening, which is strange. It has a mention of it way back in March but nothing recently.

I did a google on it. Looks like it's happening alright .

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=aDaDw6KOECpo&refer=germany

there are plenty of other urls there too, http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=german+ban+poker&meta=

eagle eye

This is very serious. Its all up to the French now, if they side with the Germans then all of the EU will be subjected to it within the next year or so.

shrapnel222

eagle eye wrote: »

This is very serious. Its all up to the French now, if they side with the Germans then all of the EU will be subjected to it within the next year or so.

it's already illegal in france and always has been. gambling in france has always been illegal except for state owned pmu (horseracing) and casinos. it doesn't change the fact that with online gaming, and online poker, there are loopholes in the law which they can get around (same as with the USA), but it's still illegal nonetheless

robinlacey

hopefully the EU will step in soon and sort it out. in the meantime,it looks like we might have finally found a situation in which it is safe to say we can write off the germans!

TommyGunne

I doubt this will hold up for long. There are a few appeals to European Court of Justice, and I believe they overturned a similar ban in Italy recently too. That ban in Italy was very short-lived.

Ill miss ze Germans no matter how short-lived the ban is!(hopefully!)

jayhawk

Moral excuses for banning internet gambling are politically expedient and even partially genuine, but the fundamental reason is that these (generally privately owned, offshore) operations are all take and no give. No responsible country allows long-term, uncontrolled, unregulated, untaxed access to its markets, in this magnitude. Traditionally, doing business anywhere implies privilege and partnership. Allowing great wealth to emigrate unchecked from any country, with no return or reward, is not just irresponsible, it’s insane.

This view would not be fully applicable in the case of Party, a publicly traded corporation, or possibly Full Tilt, who have created jobs in Ireland. And one recognizes that some secondary benefits accrue from promotional efforts, particularly sponsorship of live events.

At the end of the day, this is an area where technology and entrepreneurship have gotten so far ahead of government that governments feel the need to put it to sleep until they can figure out how to cooperatively put it to use -- if even they can overcome their ambivalence whether it’s a proper source of revenue at all.

But, basically, it’s about everybody getting a fair share of the pie. Online operators should have known, and probably did know that, without the support of the politicians and the financial markets and the brick-and-mortar corporations, they’re outlaws.

LuckyLloyd

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luckylucky

jayhawk wrote: »

Moral excuses for banning internet gambling are politically expedient and even partially genuine, but the fundamental reason is that these (generally privately owned, offshore) operations are all take and no give. No responsible country allows long-term, uncontrolled, unregulated, untaxed access to its markets, in this magnitude. Traditionally, doing business anywhere implies privilege and partnership. Allowing great wealth to emigrate unchecked from any country, with no return or reward, is not just irresponsible, it’s insane.

This view would not be fully applicable in the case of Party, a publicly traded corporation, or possibly Full Tilt, who have created jobs in Ireland. And one recognizes that some secondary benefits accrue from promotional efforts, particularly sponsorship of live events.

At the end of the day, this is an area where technology and entrepreneurship have gotten so far ahead of government that governments feel the need to put it to sleep until they can figure out how to cooperatively put it to use -- if even they can overcome their ambivalence whether it’s a proper source of revenue at all.

But, basically, it’s about everybody getting a fair share of the pie. Online operators should have known, and probably did know that, without the support of the politicians and the financial markets and the brick-and-mortar corporations, they’re outlaws.

Well put.

CHD

Whats the chances of it ever being banned here?

Heisenberg.

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cuterob

Dieses ist falsche Nachrichten. Deutsche Frauen sind sehr nettes Schauen und sie nicht kann, zu haben Schürhaken zu spielen falsche Sachen nur bedeuten. Keine netten deutschen Mädchen an den abschließenden Tischen!!!

that is all