Pyro technics liscence

Arcto

Just wondering if anyone knows the ins and outs of getting one of these with the intent of importing and useing airsoft grenades/smokes etc etc. I expect u pay a yearly sum or something......
Anyone? :P

kdouglas

nonex should be able to give an answer on this I reckon, but even with a licence, it doesn't necessarily grant you permission to use them on a site during a skirmish, particularly not when they will be going off relatively close to people

there was some talk a while back in hrta of the possibility of people getting training for handling of pyro's to be able to use them, but it hasn't come up in a while

Arcto

Yeah cool ill give paul a PM. Obviously youd have to have permission from the site owner to use them. Couldnt see showing up at hrta unanounced with enough explosives to take down a model village being a good idea

Not sure how using them around non pyro trained people would work.

I was thinking perhaps youd have to get training before you were given a liscence to use/import them but you can get a gun liscence with no training, as such. A gun would be alot more dangerous than a bb nade so i doubt it. Sher all will be revealled when i PM nonex. Cheers douglas.

Masada

i thought anyone could have BB nades? or is it just incendry ones you mean? ive never seen anything like that.,

kdouglas

bb grenades fall into the same category as fireworks and other pyrotechnics in the republic unfortunately, which means we cant get them for now

Masada

have you ever used the regualar bb nades KD? as in not the fireworks kinda ones, im just wondering if their any good, i like the claymores but are the nades anything like that?

Arcto

The clays use a spring system to fire the BB's (some use gas, bt mainly spring ones ive seen). The bb nades your thinking of use co2 cartridges or green gas to simulate the bang and fire the BB's.

Im gonna try aquire the proper bb nades. Nothing like the smell of em, and the bang. Not that ive used them before :rolleyes:

kdouglas

there's a few different types, co2 seems to be popular although i've never tried them and they are very expensive, i tried the ones from airsofthandgrenades.com before, which use a reaction between citric acid and bicarbonate, they were less than amazing tbh, wrote a full review here

Masada

kdouglas wrote: »

there's a few different types, co2 seems to be popular although i've never tried them and they are very expensive, i tried the ones from airsofthandgrenades.com before, which use a reaction between citric acid and bicarbonate, they were less than amazing tbh, wrote a full review here

Hmm, i couldnt really see them working to be honest, surely there wouldnt be enough energy in them to fire the BBs.,
Oh and K your site just killed my eyesight!!!
going from black background-white writing to white background-black writing makes my eyes weird.,lol

kdouglas

well, the one time i got one to actually work properly, it did work reasonably well, there was a bit of a a bang off it, but they're definitely not worth the hassle, i might have one left lying around, ill try seal it up with some ptfe tape and bring it with me to hrta next time.

IRISH RAIL

you can only get a licence for a one off event ie; if you were to get one you would need one for each time you go to hrta.
its a very complex process and costly cant remember how much it was a long time since i looked it up and without sounding smart or rude I doubt theres anyone on boards who has enough experience to get one they dont just give them out, even though you only want them for grenades it wont make a difference its still classed as an explosive device and when the man hears people will be running around the little devil on his shoulder ( who works for the fun police and the insurance company ) will say ahem no.

just to give you an idea
http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Form%20of%20Application%20for%20a%20Licence%20to%20Import%20Fireworks.doc/Files/Form%20of%20Application%20for%20a%20Licence%20to%20Import%20Fireworks.doc

copy and paste if the link doesnt work

Arcto

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I doubt theres anyone on boards who has enough experience to get one they dont just give them out

However you have to remember the Gov works for you. There might be some give, if not a loophole. God i hate that term.

Remember you can get a firearms liscence with the permission of 2 land owners. If you can get that so easy i fail to see why a pyrotechnics liscence would be so hard to get.

Merry Xmass to all that beleave in the diety surrounding it!

Spelling mistakes excused, im merry

nonex

Arcto wrote: »

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However you have to remember the Gov works for you. There might be some give, if not a loophole. God i hate that term.

Remember you can get a firearms liscence with the permission of 2 land owners. If you can get that so easy i fail to see why a pyrotechnics liscence would be so hard to get.

Merry Xmass to all that beleave in the diety surrounding it!

Spelling mistakes excused, im merry

It's the hardest liscence to get arcto, when you think about it, there are some thing like 25,000 firearms licences in ireland and and i think 7 licenced pyrotechnic tec,s in ireland, not so easy:mad:

Arcto

What!!??? Thats madness! Fair enough they are dangerous but no where near as dangerous as a firearm. I do know 2 performing show bands that use pyros so they must have them. Is it true you need an import AND a liscence to actually use them?

EDIT: Probably make that clearer, an import liscence and a liscence to set them off?

IRISH RAIL

The problem is you can use any type of explosive with them theres no different licence for different pyrotechnics it is a stupid system but what can we do

Arcto

Oh so you could also use demolition explosives asswell as fireworks? Ballz. Big bit of a difference between the 2 :P Stupid system!

Harekin

What about smokes? Would they not be classed as flares or something?

IRISH RAIL

It depends on the type I use smoke pellets which are legal but anything with a blasting cap such as a smoke grenade is a no no. then theres flares which are legal but there use is limited (I dont mean the marine rescue type theres signal flares aswell that are hand held ) latley ive started to make my own smoke devices from an old family recipie its much cheaper than buying them

Arcto

If <snip - certain unnamed ingredients> involved its illegal.

Maybe if we wait another 20 odd years the gov will change their stance on smoke nades and bb nades :rolleyes:

Masada

the best thing to use leagally is baby power., ive been looking into this myself and seems some of the stuff you need is actuall illegal so best to stick to baby powder which will also be on the person that you aim it at so they cant deny the hit.,:).,

kdouglas

I'd like to point out that the charter expressly forbids discussion of making homemade pyrotechnic devices or even the ingredients necessary, anyone who starts posting instructions will be banned

Genghiz Cohen

kdouglas wrote: »

I'd like to point out that the charter expressly forbids discussion of making homemade pyrotechnic devices or even the ingredients necessary, anyone who starts posting instructions will be banned

Awww....


I was always wondering was it possible to make a smoke nade that was just compressed air/co2 and powder.

Arcto

kdouglas wrote: »

I'd like to point out that the charter expressly forbids discussion of making homemade pyrotechnic devices or even the ingredients necessary, anyone who starts posting instructions will be banned

Dont wory KD i know. Just pointing out that salt peter is illegal to make homemade pyro products....in a discourageing way


Must check out those plumbers smoke pellets. You can get fairly large ones aswell, i spotted them online. Allmost the size of a coke bottle. That would be an impressive amount of smoke!

Genghiz Cohen

Smoke Pellets on e-bay

Looks like you'd need to strap a few together to get a decient grenade.

The 9g ones are probably more suitable.

AirsoftEire.com

Just a quick question.
Although discussion of the making of pyro's/smoke bombs is dissallowed, is it alright to use homemade smoke devices down at HRTA, with Pauls permission (assuming an inspection of the device(s) aswell) ?

kdouglas

That's up to Paul and something only he can answer, however something to bear in mind is that the ingredients for most smoke pellets are harmful to breath in

kdouglas

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Awww....


I was always wondering was it possible to make a smoke nade that was just compressed air/co2 and powder.

That's allowed under the charter, it's not pyrotechnic

but in reality, co2 and powder works for a small puff of smoke out of a grenade (e.g. the thumper's) but not for producing a large cloud of smoke similar to a smoke grenade

IRISH RAIL

arcto what youre thinking of isnt smoke its something else and is not available in ireland
the smoke pellets are ok if you use the larger kind ( that coke bottle stuff keep away from it its dirt ) go to any plumber suppliers and you can pick them up even b and q have them they will work in tandem as long as air can get to it cant remember the name of the brand i use but there in a blue tube % in it and they cost about 9 euro