stopped last night asked to produce but didnt know my licence expired recently

mivec

just looking for a bit of input i got stopped last night dropping the girlfriend home however i didnt have my licence on me as a just threw a hoody and jeans on me and walked out the door, now i know by law your ment to have your licence on you whislt driving so i dont want any negitive comments regarding that but anyway took out my licence today and found out it expired on the 3.12.07 i had no idea whatsoever, so first thing tomorrow im heading to the local motor tax office to get it renewed, now i have fully comp insurance, tax is perfect and nct is perfect on the car but the garda asked me to produce in a station of my choice within 10 days etc, which im obviously going to do but how bad is my situation?? will they be like oh its a genuine mistake or will they throw the book at me ive never seen the out come of a situation like mine and im a bit worried

fasty

You'll get a receipt when you renew it. Go to the station with it and explain to the Garda and hope he lets you away with it. Even if the worst happens, you'll get a fine and a few points, it's not the end of the world! Good luck!

MagicMarker

mivec wrote: »

just looking for a bit of input i got stopped last night dropping the girlfriend home however i didnt have my licence on me as a just threw a hoody and jeans on me and walked out the door, now i know by law your ment to have your licence on you whislt driving so i dont want any negitive comments regarding that but anyway took out my licence today and found out it expired on the 3.12.07 i had no idea whatsoever, so first thing tomorrow im heading to the local motor tax office to get it renewed, now i have fully comp insurance, tax is perfect and nct is perfect on the car but the garda asked me to produce in a station of my choice within 10 days etc, which im obviously going to do but how bad is my situation?? will they be like oh its a genuine mistake or will they throw the book at me ive never seen the out come of a situation like mine and im a bit worried

I have no idea how this will pan out but i just have to say if your licence isn't valid then your insurance isn't valid either.

Anan1

MagicMarker wrote: »

I have no idea how this will pan out but i just have to say if your licence isn't valid then your insurance isn't valid either.

Rubbish.

DonJose

Anan1 wrote: »

Rubbish.

That makes perfect sense, thanks for clearing this up.

cantdecide

A relative of mine drove for 3 or 4 years on a expired license but that was over 10 years ago now.... excuse me, I have to make a phonecall:D

Savman

Explain explain explain. Go to motor tax office, apply for new license, bring proof to copshop within time specified and explain your mistake and that you're in the process of getting it sorted. Be nice.

ninty9er

Savman wrote: »

Explain explain explain. Go to motor tax office, apply for new license, bring proof to copshop within time specified and explain your mistake and that you're in the process of getting it sorted. Be nice.

I am assuming full licence in giving the following advice:

Go to the motor tax office and look panicked...You're going to Italy tomorrow on a few days business and you need your licence for your hire car, you know what the Italians are like...and your boss will freak a bean if you can't get around to the different places you need to be

The generally post it out within 10 days in the normal scheme of things, but they may just do it there and then if you seem freaked enough...God knows they can!

jhegarty

MagicMarker wrote: »

I have no idea how this will pan out but i just have to say if your licence isn't valid then your insurance isn't valid either.

Complete poop.... as long as you hold or have held a license and are not disqualified from holding one then your insurance is valid...


to the op, get it renewed , your new license will not show when the old one ran out... present in 10 days to the cops...

Atomic Pineapple

ninty9er wrote: »

but they may just do it there and then if you seem freaked enough...God knows they can!

yeh my girlfriend got hers done there and then because her neighbour works there, they do them all there in the tax office for a couple of hours after closing time.

Del2005

Don't bother getting it renewed before going to the Garda station. Hand it over and if Garda notices act supprised, it's only 2 weeks out. Going to the Garda station with a reciept isn't a very good idea as all that says is you are getting some kind of licence not which type. I know people who where stopped with licences expired years and nothing was said except renew it. Only issue is if it's expired by more then 10 years then you have to re-sit the test.

nytraveller

Del2005 wrote: »

Don't bother getting it renewed before going to the Garda station. Hand it over and if Garda notices act supprised, it's only 2 weeks out. Going to the Garda station with a reciept isn't a very good idea as all that says is you are getting some kind of licence not which type. I know people who where stopped with licences expired years and nothing was said except renew it. Only issue is if it's expired by more then 10 years then you have to re-sit the test.

I agree.
It's not expired that long. The garda will most likely just tell you to get it renewed (If he even notices it).

leahcim

Anytime I got my licence renewed (by going to the tax office in person) they had it in the post to me the next working day. You should easily have it within 10 days, hopefully the Christmas post will not mess you up.

If you dont have your new licence in time I would being the old one and pretent you hadn't realised it wasn't out of date as others have suggested.

CrowdedHouse

I remember(many) years ago the County Council used to send a notice that your driving licence was about to expire.

They do it for dog licences,they do it for car tax,I can't see why they can't do it for driving licences too.

parsi

ninty9er wrote: »

I am assuming full licence in giving the following advice:

Go to the motor tax office and look panicked...You're going to Italy tomorrow on a few days business and you need your licence for your hire car, you know what the Italians are like...and your boss will freak a bean if you can't get around to the different places you need to be

The generally post it out within 10 days in the normal scheme of things, but they may just do it there and then if you seem freaked enough...God knows they can!

I think that the speed of issuing won't be a particular problem. However technically the OP has to produce within 10 days a document which shows that he was licenced at the _time_ he was stopped.

Hower in his case I'd drop in my existing licence and see what happens. They have a ten-year lifespan and I'm sure that there are plenty of people with expired ones especially ones that are only just expired.

uberwolf

ninty9er wrote: »

I am assuming full licence in giving the following advice:

Go to the motor tax office and look panicked...You're going to Italy tomorrow on a few days business and you need your licence for your hire car, you know what the Italians are like...and your boss will freak a bean if you can't get around to the different places you need to be

The generally post it out within 10 days in the normal scheme of things, but they may just do it there and then if you seem freaked enough...God knows they can!

if you're doing this bring corrobrating proof of address - passport and utility bills.

The post is used to establish address. They may bend the rules if you can otherwise prove your address.

meditraitor

mivec wrote: »

just looking for a bit of input i got stopped last night dropping the girlfriend home however i didnt have my licence on me as a just threw a hoody and jeans on me and walked out the door, now i know by law your ment to have your licence on you whislt driving so i dont want any negitive comments regarding that but anyway took out my licence today and found out it expired on the 3.12.07 i had no idea whatsoever, so first thing tomorrow im heading to the local motor tax office to get it renewed, now i have fully comp insurance, tax is perfect and nct is perfect on the car but the garda asked me to produce in a station of my choice within 10 days etc, which im obviously going to do but how bad is my situation?? will they be like oh its a genuine mistake or will they throw the book at me ive never seen the out come of a situation like mine and im a bit worried

If you renew your licence and explain to the Garda you will be OK, it happens more often than you think......

Bogger77

Your license is still valid to drive on for 5 years after it's expiry date. Pop into local road tax office, ask can you collect the next day as you're afraid it'll get stuck in the post. Say you're heading up north for shopping, and that the PSNI will not accept a reciept as proof of license.
Be nice to the person behind the counter, and they should be able to bend the rules and not post it.

godtabh

Bogger77 wrote: »

Your license is still valid to drive on for 5 years after it's expiry date.

Whats the point in having an expiry date then?

Bogger77

Same as your passport, you can travel to most of eu on an expired passport. It's just to ensure you update your picture, and to allow upgrades to newer format's. If it never expired, you'd have people on the old pre 1990's format, the current format and the credit card format (whenever that happens).
Also, for people hitting 70yrs of age, the license is only valid for 3 yrs, and they must take a medical test if they wish to renew it. A ten year license, is only valit til the holder hits 70.

bcmf

A couple of things.
You were driving WITHOUT A VALID LICENCE!!!!!!

If you had of been in an accident your insurance company would use this as a get out clause thus leaving you technically uninsured.

If the Garda decides to push it (probably wont) you can end up in court with a hefty fine and points.

As with insurance doesnt matter wheter it is 1 min,1 day, 1 week whatever.In the eyes of the law out of date is out of date.

Get to your tax office in the morning with your old licence get a new one by however means AND hope it has a continuity date from your old one.

Bogger77

bcmf wrote: »

A couple of things.
You were driving WITHOUT A VALID LICENCE!!!!!!

If you had of been in an accident your insurance company would use this as a get out clause thus leaving you technically uninsured.

Wrong, Wrong Wrong.

Phone up an insurance co and ask them!

what_car

ninty9er wrote: »

I am assuming full licence in giving the following advice:

Go to the motor tax office and look panicked...You're going to Italy tomorrow on a few days business and you need your licence for your hire car, you know what the Italians are like...and your boss will freak a bean if you can't get around to the different places you need to be

The generally post it out within 10 days in the normal scheme of things, but they may just do it there and then if you seem freaked enough...God knows they can!

that would be lying.. great advice...not:D the tax office will look for proof of travel..

oh just noticed your sig. :D:D: :eek:

ninty9er

what_car wrote: »

oh just noticed your sig. :D:D: :eek:

There's a system, you just need to know how to use it....if you don't someone else will. I guarantee it. Was actually discussed in recent times in relation to internal elections in the past....of course the system has been refined about 3 times in the last 6 years to combat "use" of the system.

OT...but I don't think they's require proof if you looked in a rush and freaked.

ninty9er

what_car wrote: »

oh just noticed your sig. :D:D: :eek:

There's a system, you just need to know how to use it....if you don't someone else will. I guarantee it. Was actually discussed in recent times in relation to internal elections in the past....of course the system has been refined about 3 times in the last 6 years to combat "use" of the system.

OT...but I don't think they's require proof if you looked in a rush and freaked

parsi

bcmf wrote: »

A couple of things.
You were driving WITHOUT A VALID LICENCE!!!!!!

If you had of been in an accident your insurance company would use this as a get out clause thus leaving you technically uninsured.

Before you go to school in the morning go and ask your daddy to show you his insurance policy. Specifically the part relating to driving licences.

cormac_byrne

parsi wrote: »

Before you go to school in the morning go and ask your daddy to show you his insurance policy. Specifically the part relating to driving licences.

My insurance policy (AIG) states "provided that the person driving holds a licence to drive such a vehicle or, having held such a licence, is not disqualified from holding such a licence"

i.e. expired licence OK
but driving when banned, not OK

Also would imply driving after a ban has expired OK, even if you havn't resat the test to get new licence (still obviously illegal)

bcmf

So.If your licence is out of date it doesnt really matter!!!
So therefore having expiry dates on licences really doesnt mean a whole lot!
If you get banned from driving then it does matter

Below taken from citizens Information:

You are entitled to apply for a driving licence if:

* You have recently passed a driving test
* You hold a driving licence that will expire within one month and you want to renew it
* You held a driving licence that expired less than 10 years ago and you want to renew it
* You hold a driving licence and you want to have an additional category of vehicles added to it and a driving test is not required or you are exchanging a current valid driving licence issued by another EU member state or another "recognised state".


With regards to driving when your licence is out of date I cant find anything on Citizens Info.So if I am wrong I take it all back.

Jeapy

bcmf wrote: »

So.If your licence is out of date it doesnt really matter!!!
So therefore having expiry dates on licences really doesnt mean a whole lot!
If you get banned from driving then it does matter

Below taken from citizens Information:

You are entitled to apply for a driving licence if:

* You have recently passed a driving test
* You hold a driving licence that will expire within one month and you want to renew it
* You held a driving licence that expired less than 10 years ago and you want to renew it
* You hold a driving licence and you want to have an additional category of vehicles added to it and a driving test is not required or you are exchanging a current valid driving licence issued by another EU member state or another "recognised state".


With regards to driving when your licence is out of date I cant find anything on Citizens Info.So if I am wrong I take it all back.

I read this thread last friday (the 21st) and checked my licence after. It expired on the 10/11/2007 (thanks OP!) so I went to the Garda station to get a new form and asked the Garda. He said that I am 100% uninsured without a licence, no exceptions. I didnt believe him, so I rang a girl I know in my insurance company who said that she's come accross this so many times and the insurance will NOT cover you if your licence has expired. If there was any sort of way to get around it, she would have said. So I havnt driven since last Friday!

bcmf

Thanks Jeapy.

craichoe

Just thought i'd share my two cents on this:

Same thing happened to me, although it was slightly more complicated. I produced my expired license in the wrong station.

2 months later i got a number of summon's

Failure to produce License
Failure to produce Insurance
No License
No Insurance

Went to court, plead guilty on no license, not guilty to no insurance. Judge stated that as my policy was in force at the time, in the eyes of the law i had an insurance policy. I believe the case would have been different if there was an accident .

I recieved a 70 euro fine which i promptly paid.

Jeapy

craichoe wrote: »

Just thought i'd share my two cents on this:

Same thing happened to me, although it was slightly more complicated. I produced my expired license in the wrong station.

2 months later i got a number of summon's

Failure to produce License
Failure to produce Insurance
No License
No Insurance

Went to court, plead guilty on no license, not guilty to no insurance. Judge stated that as my policy was in force at the time, in the eyes of the law i had an insurance policy. I believe the case would have been different if there was an accident .

I recieved a 70 euro fine which i promptly paid.

What a b1tch! Still I suppose it could have been a hell of a lot worse. I was driving for 5 weeks (in that time Dublin-Mayo around 6 times and Mayo- Cork as well as shorter trips). Thankin my lucky stars for this thread that i didnt hit a beamer or somethin! Thanks again OP, I owe u a pint!

Our man in Havana

Jeapy wrote: »

I read this thread last friday (the 21st) and checked my licence after. It expired on the 10/11/2007 (thanks OP!) so I went to the Garda station to get a new form and asked the Garda. He said that I am 100% uninsured without a licence, no exceptions. I didnt believe him, so I rang a girl I know in my insurance company who said that she's come accross this so many times and the insurance will NOT cover you if your licence has expired. If there was any sort of way to get around it, she would have said. So I havnt driven since last Friday!

Even the Gardaí don't know how insurance works.

craichoe

Aye,

Coverage on a Claim and having an Insurance policy in force are two different things.

L1011

Jeapy wrote: »

I read this thread last friday (the 21st) and checked my licence after. It expired on the 10/11/2007 (thanks OP!) so I went to the Garda station to get a new form and asked the Garda. He said that I am 100% uninsured without a licence, no exceptions. I didnt believe him, so I rang a girl I know in my insurance company who said that she's come accross this so many times and the insurance will NOT cover you if your licence has expired. If there was any sort of way to get around it, she would have said. So I havnt driven since last Friday!

You believed what a guard told you about motoring laws? Bad idea

Depends entirely on the insurance company, the majority of insurance policies *are* valid when your licence has expired. Just checked mine, and it is. Would advise you to check your own rather than rely on the memory of someone who works there.

bcmf

craichoe wrote: »

Just thought i'd share my two cents on this:

Same thing happened to me, although it was slightly more complicated. I produced my expired license in the wrong station.

2 months later i got a number of summon's

Failure to produce License
Failure to produce Insurance
No License
No Insurance

Went to court, plead guilty on no license, not guilty to no insurance. Judge stated that as my policy was in force at the time, in the eyes of the law i had an insurance policy. I believe the case would have been different if there was an accident .




I recieved a 70 euro fine which i promptly paid.

I would take this as the rule as everything else is guesswork until it gets to court.I therefore take back any wrong assumptions I made.
Of course it's so much easier to keep your licence in date

Guy:Incognito

How do people not remember important things like licence renewals? I know Idid my test in Aug 99 so I know my licence is up for renewal in Aug 09 , I havnt had to check it sice I got it to find out this info.It's not rocket sciene people.

bcmf

Its even easier than that.
ITS WRITTEN ON YOUR LICENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guy:Incognito

bcmf wrote: »

Its even easier than that.
ITS WRITTEN ON YOUR LICENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG , NO WAY!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN!!!!ONE!!!!!!!!!!!
How is that easier than not haveing to do anything at all?

I.S.T.

Jeapy wrote: »

I read this thread last friday (the 21st) and checked my licence after. It expired on the 10/11/2007 (thanks OP!) so I went to the Garda station to get a new form and asked the Garda. He said that I am 100% uninsured without a licence, no exceptions. I didnt believe him, so I rang a girl I know in my insurance company who said that she's come accross this so many times and the insurance will NOT cover you if your licence has expired. If there was any sort of way to get around it, she would have said. So I havnt driven since last Friday!

I have had to make claims in the past and was never asked to show my licence. So even if your licence is expired if you say nothing then the insurance company will never know.

craichoe

Akaik they have a photocopy/fax of your License on file, if the copy is out of date they will ask for a copy of the subsequently issued license.

L1011

craichoe wrote: »

Akaik they have a photocopy/fax of your License on file, if the copy is out of date they will ask for a copy of the subsequently issued license.

My car insurer has never seen my driving licence. Insured online, never asked to remit documents, certificate arrived by post.

Jeapy

Jeapy wrote: »

so I went to the Garda station to get a new form and asked the Garda. He said that I am 100% uninsured without a licence, no exceptions. I didnt believe him, so I rang a girl I know in my insurance company who said that she's come accross this so many times and the insurance will NOT cover you if your licence has expired.!

MYOB wrote: »

You believed what a guard told you about motoring laws? Bad idea
Depends entirely on the insurance company, the majority of insurance policies *are* valid when your licence has expired. Just checked mine, and it is. Would advise you to check your own rather than rely on the memory of someone who works there.

Well, I know her very well and she gives very good quotes , would def rely on her to be honest. Doesn't matter too much anyway, licence still needed to be renewed! Got my receipt thing today now that the motor tax office is back open so Im back on the road legally!

Fey!

OP; how did you fare out?

I wenty through this a few years ago; came to a checkpoint, license in hand, but was just waved through. Handed the license to my passenger, who noticed it was a month out.

Got onto local Garda station that evening to check if it was OK to drive, and on to my insurance the following morning. Both said no problems, but to get it sorted out for my own convienence. Went to the tax office, put in the application and explained what had happened, was asked to wait, and 15 minutes later left with new license.

No problems, no big dramatic moments. If you notice it's out or about to expire, then get it renewed. End of.

beaushalloe

op similar happened to me, stopped and licence i taut was in other handbag, but it was not it was lost. so i went to produce to my nice local guarda station and his reaction was dont worry, you cant produce what you dont have, get a new one and drop in to the guard who stopped me and explain. so i did. he was nice as pie but said summons were gone through and he could not stop it.
couple months later got 3 summons.
1. failure to produce on roadside
2. failure to produce within 10 days
3. no licence.

got a fine in court. (before points system)

Jeapy

Fey! wrote: »

OP; how did you fare out?
.

Exactly what I was thinking! Did it all go ok for ya?

beaushalloe wrote: »

got a fine in court. (before points system)

Do you get points nowadays for that kind of thing? If you've no licence/it has expired, can you get points on it?