If a truck turns over who is charged with clearing it?

mike65

After todays screw-up in North Dublin (trucks tips over at 5.30 am and takes 5.5 hrs to be cleared) is there a system in place to have resources ready to lift/drag a vehicle from important routes?

Mike.

hotshots85

mike65 wrote: »

After todays screw-up in North Dublin (trucks tips over at 5.30 am and takes 5.5 hrs to be cleared) is there a system in place to have resources ready to lift/drag a vehicle from important routes?

Mike.

it all depends what area of the city thats it happens to tip over in and also what kind of cargo it was carrying
take for example a lorry load of game consols tips over in sheriff st .stripped and cleared away before the guards arrive
a container carrying all the evidence that bertie took backhanders tips over outside the fianna fail ard eis in the rds .they all just turn a blind eye and it takes years to clear up
plus no one is held accountable and the tax payer foots the bill :p

cargo

The M50 now has a dedicated recovery service for breakdowns along it's length. However generally when a large unit tips over a turnaround time of 5.5 hours would be fairly typical. Firstly the call won't be made to the recovery operator for the first half an hour or so then they need to get to site and assess the situation. This is often done in a van as opposed to a recovery truck. (Quicker in traffic) The call will then be made on what kit is needed for the job. I believe in this instance they needed a crane so there's another guy to get out of the bed!!!

A big time element would be if the guards need to do any investigation before the vehicles involved can be moved and also Health and Safety assesments need to be completed for the job. The load the truck was carrying is one of the most crucial elements also as if it's hazardous all people involved in the clean-up need to be Haz-Chem trained and trucks taking the waste away need to be Haz-Chem approved or even have waste permits if just shifting normal rubbish away from the site.

Also some loads would need to be removed from the wagon before it would be uprighted and this may require a lot of manpower or specialist machines.

Any idea what the truck in this incident this morning was carrying?

As to who pays? The truck company are responsible for any charges occurring from the incident (covered by insurance). Consequential losses like people late from work would come under the "your reward will be great in heaven" category!! Bills for the recovery of the unit (not counting repairs to the unit) could end up in the several of thousands of Euro for a serious incident.

Tipsy Mac

Apparently the first crane they got was not strong enough to lift the load, it must be a laurel and hardy operation if they cannot judge what size crane is needed given the truck would and it's load would be known by the driver, remind me of those pics of the crane lifting the other crane out of the sea after it fell in:D... www.snopes.com/photos/accident/crane.asp

The first crane which was brought in early this morning to remove the truck but was not strong enough, and a replacement was brought in.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1217/rta.html

BrianD

Even though the working area is restrictive for a large crane, they would have known what the maximum possible weight of the container so the biggest possible unit should have been brought in.

Having said that most crane companies are located outside of Dublin and any crane ordered in would have been facing the same delays unless something could be pulled off another job.

mike65

Sounds like hauliers should be taxed by Dublin councils to fund a proper system.

Mike.

Capt'n Midnight

In the past trucks were overloaded, not just over the legal limit but over the manufacturers axle limit.

if this is what happened then the crane could be the wrong size

cast_iron

mike65 wrote: »

Sounds like hauliers should be taxed by Dublin councils to fund a proper system.

Mike.

Why should they all suffer for the stupidity of the few. It's a fairly rare occurrence. I don't see a problem with the Council taking charge, (it's their roads) and billing the haulage company in question.

Del2005

mike65 wrote: »

Sounds like hauliers should be taxed by Dublin councils to fund a proper system.

Mike.

The problem is a lot of roads now aren't being designed for artics to move around with ease. If the council made the roads for things bigger then a Mini then there wouldn't be as many issues. You'd still get some gob sh!te tipping over due to speed but they wouldn't be topping over due to roundabouts being to small and having high sides.

Also how many other trucks have rolled in Dublin in the last year out of the 000's which have been through? Bit of an over reaction to one isolated case.

Del2005

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

In the past trucks were overloaded, not just over the legal limit but over the manufacturers axle limit.

if this is what happened then the crane could be the wrong size

It shouldn't have been too hard to work out the weight to lift, it's written on the container and would have been in the drivers documents, even if the truck was over loaded. The truck was coming from the port, and even if it was going into the port, so there is noway that the weight of the container wouldn't be known as they are specially loaded onto the ships so as not to over balance.

Must have beed a crane nearby that was thought to be OK but wasn't up to the job, or some mean person trying to save money and hired too small a crane.

Arthur Daley

Has anybody asked why a heavy truck tips over in the city centre causing chaos for North Dublin and the M50? What kinda speed do you need to do to tip a truck, and why was this speed being done on an icy morning?

I suspect the driver should face the sack unless he has a damn good excuse.

D'Peoples Voice

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Has anybody asked why a heavy truck tips over in the city centre causing chaos for North Dublin and the M50? What kinda speed do you need to do to tip a truck, and why was this speed being done on an icy morning?

I suspect the driver should face the sack unless he has a damn good excuse.

He's probably a bit unstable,
such drastic action might tip him over the edge!:D

godtabh

As far as I know in some LA there is buy lays that allow them to recoup the cost of damage to the road network as a result of accidents i.e you knock a sign down LA gets you to pay for it. Not sure if it would apply in this situation

Borzoi

BrianD wrote: »

any crane ordered in would have been facing the same delays unless something could be pulled off another job.

Very true, and if anybody tried to 'borrow' a crane I was using for a lift, I'd explain the error of their ways. The fact of the matter is that under normal circumstance I would book a crane a week in advance - they're not generally available at short notice. And the bigger you need, the more notice they need!

Wishbone Ash

Del2005 wrote: »

Must have beed a crane nearby that was thought to be OK but wasn't up to the job, or some mean person trying to save money and hired too small a crane.

For personal experience, I'd say the fault lay with the Gardai on duty. They probably contacted the recovery service on duty that morning and failed to explain the full story.

Arthur Daley wrote: »

Has anybody asked why a heavy truck tips over in the city centre causing chaos for North Dublin and the M50? What kinda speed do you need to do to tip a truck

Very simple explanation Arthur (regardless of who is at fault).

Are you familiar with the roundabout at the end of the East Wall Road? Unlike ordinary roundabouts, it's steeply banked up towards the centre and if a driver, through a moment of non-concentration, approaches it narrowly, there's a good chance that he could tip the trailer.


On a totally seperate issue, did anyone else notice that the wrecker that was eventually called (operated bt Gannons) had blue flashing beacons on the grill. Wouldn't they be illegal on a recovery vehicle under the Road Traffic Lighting of Vehicles Regulations?

Wishbone Ash

fordprefect wrote: »

The driver tipped it over for one simple reason. The twist locks holding the container onto the trailer were open

I occasionally see containers simply placed on flat beds with no locks at all! :eek:

fordprefect wrote:

Any company handling containers has machines that could lift the container. It all depends on the way it fell. A reach stacker can lift a laden 40ft container no bother at all. There were at least 10 within 1km of that accident. One was about 100 metres away.

Presumably they can only lift a container that is the correct way up and would they be insured to leave the Dublin Port?

Capt'n Midnight

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I occasionally see containers simply placed on flat beds with no locks at all! :eek:

Presumably they can only lift a container that is the correct way up and would they be insured to leave the Dublin Port?

:eek:

years ago during the bad snow they wanted to get the big diggers from Tara mines to clear the roads up there, took a lot of time because they had to wait for the insurance to be sorted.

Random

It's not just trucks .. if someone brakes suddenly in Dublin these days it seems to back traffic up for miles.

Bring back the horse & carraige!

mike65

Another one this morning on the M50, don't know if it caused problems.

Mike.

Wishbone Ash

mike65 wrote: »

Another one this morning on the M50, don't know if it caused problems.

Mike.

That happened at 3am (frost?) but the problem was clearing the diesel spillage. I think it was back to normal by 8am. Gardai said that most of the delay was caused by 'rubberneckers'.

bennyx_o

What usually happens is the Guards are billed, and then they pass the bill on to the relevant insurance companies.

cast_iron

mike65 wrote: »

Another one this morning on the M50, don't know if it caused problems.

Mike.

Another what this morning? Another idiotic driver causing mayhem in Dublin meaning all hauliers should be taxed?

If you can't back up your opinion, why keep making an issue of this.

Wishbone Ash

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

. Gardai said that most of the delay was caused by 'rubberneckers'.

It happened in full view of of the camera, I sometimes look at the roadworks (boring job - don't ask) southbound was constricted until sometime after 8am, cars passing through slowly- the truck was gone all they would have seen is a clearup crew working. Entirely due to all traffic being squeezed through one narrow lane and causing a very long tail back that probably took all morning to clear!

Northbound no problems at all.

mike65

cast_iron

This thread is about trucks turning over and thier impact on traffic and who's is charged with the dealing with the aftermath. As another ended up on its side it seemed reasonable to add it.

Whats your problem?

Mike.

prod_igy

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

remind me of those pics of the crane lifting the other crane out of the sea after it fell in:D... www.snopes.com/photos/accident/crane.asp

How in gods name did these people think that that first 'crane' would be able to lift that car out!!:eek: