the first generation

Nerin

im talking angela, kaito, adam etc
how many powers of theirs do we know about??
adam,immortal
linderman, healing.
parkmans dad, mind control
the others?
i really want to know kaitos powers, supposedly we'll know in 3 Villians.

User45701

I was kinda hopeing i would find out kaitos power in Origins but thats ****ed now.
What power did what his name have? old guy who peter was tkaing care of? some sort of power of preception or soemthing?

Best power so far was google brain (not the new orleans one but the other one who hiro loved from S1)

kevmy

Who says Kaito has/had a power?

I mean a lot of the present day "Heroes" don't have powers (Mohinder, HRG, Ando). And HRG said (in the episode where he got shot) to Mohinder "That's the way the Company do it, one of them, one of us"
So since the Company always use a Hero and a normal as partners (HRG + Haitian, HRG + Claude, Mohinder + Nikki, Mohinder + Elle) it could be assumed they done this from the start.
Personally I think that Kaito and Victoria Pratt didn't have powers. I don't think Thompson had powers either but we don't know if was in on it from the start.
Maury had mind reading, Mama Petrelli had persuasion, Linderman healing, Bob the midas touch, Charles Devaux perception and then Adam had his everlasting life.

It's quite possible that Daddy Petrelli had no powers either but I've a sneaky his not as dead as we think. If you look at the picture his face is kinda out of focus and it the only one out of focus. This leaves it open for different actors to play Daddy Petrelli. Also Adam didn't try to kill him cos he was already "dead"

Nerin

Who says Kaito has/had a power?

Kaito has implied that he has a power, but has not yet revealed it

http://heroeswiki.com/Kaito

Overheal

kevmy wrote: »

Who says Kaito has/had a power?

I mean a lot of the present day "Heroes" don't have powers (Mohinder, HRG, Ando). And HRG said (in the episode where he got shot) to Mohinder "That's the way the Company do it, one of them, one of us"
So since the Company always use a Hero and a normal as partners (HRG + Haitian, HRG + Claude, Mohinder + Nikki, Mohinder + Elle) it could be assumed they done this from the start.
Personally I think that Kaito and Victoria Pratt didn't have powers. I don't think Thompson had powers either but we don't know if was in on it from the start.
Maury had mind reading, Mama Petrelli had persuasion, Linderman healing, Bob the midas touch, Charles Devaux perception and then Adam had his everlasting life.

It's quite possible that Daddy Petrelli had no powers either but I've a sneaky his not as dead as we think. If you look at the picture his face is kinda out of focus and it the only one out of focus. This leaves it open for different actors to play Daddy Petrelli. Also Adam didn't try to kill him cos he was already "dead"

Spot on. Except for the Petrellis.

Everyone just assumes because Angela is a manipulative whore that she has the persuasion ability - cmon: if she had that, she would have only had to say 'come with us' to Claire in season 1 and she wouldn't have been jumping out of windows and going against Angela's and Linderman's entire plan. Not to mention just tell Parkman 'dont do that' before he forced her to speak with his mind control.

Angela Petrelli: Persuasion? I highly think not.

I believe it was Daddy Petrelli that the boys got their gift from - it was their dad that had the delusions of grandeur, and so on, and so forth. Just like 'Peter did'. I don't think Angela has any power. Im not entirely sure think Kaito had none: "I have waited so long for a Nakamura to ascend. I never thought it would be you, Hiro." but at the same time other quotes have implied more: "We have the power of gods" being one of them.

I also think Victoria didn't/doesn't (did she die I forget) have one else she would have used it. I peg her merely as a gifted biologist in effectively the same position as Mohinder. As for the weather ability that was hinted at by Bob in one of the episodes, that could very well have been Daddy Petrelli - who only died within a short span before the start of Volume 1 anyway.

Charles Deveaux's power? No clue, except to say I've seen it and it exists. I wouldn't know how to define it but I wouldn't personally call it Perception. Something psychic and otherworldly anyway: but for all we know it could be Astral Projection, Clairvoyance, etc. etc. so it will be interesting to see if Peter exhibits a use of it in the future. 'Perception' wouldn't have you communicating with the dead and seeing events you couldn't possibly know had taken place.. however if it were some form of Astral Projection that ould explain Peter's Dream with Charles that happened *after* his death, and the vision he got in the Season 1 finale - I think its possible Charle's is still wandering around there somewhere... IF it was Astral Projection. I'll leave a big IF on that but thats an official Overtheory [copyright 2007 by Overheal].

Thompson definitely didn't have powers: iirc, you may have misquoted HRG with Thompson's quote from Company Man: its what thompson said to Noah as he was being inducted, and definitely implied himself to be a normie.

User45701

Im convinced that bitch has some sort of power, and yes her husband as well. Your right though its not Persusion but perhaps some sort of mental abality though because it seemed to me when she concentrated she helped peter remember?

Bubs101

Does Mohinder not have a power in his blood to counteract the ability of his sister?

Also, not sure if anyone has pointed this out but the fact that two female characters have had powers that can do no good (Mia and Shanti) have both had brothers who can counteract the virus not suggesting a link between the powers given out to kids?

Also, Nathan or Peter could have gotten there powers from Kieto. Mama Petrelli does admit they have slept together to Parkman's police partner in the past

leninbenjamin

Bubs101 wrote: »

Does Mohinder not have a power in his blood to counteract the ability of his sister?

I don't think it's a power... I think it suggests biologically they are polar opposites, Shanti had powers but was susceptible to the virus, Mohinder had none but was immune. Indeed if he did have a power (other than Claire's one) i would have though he'd have been a susceptible to the disease as any other.

For me there's also the question as to whether Claire's blood can actually cure the virus itself... or does it's regenerate properties simply enhance the properties of Mohinder's own blood. if her's was fully capable of this alone, why would he have to blend the two?

Bubs101 wrote: »

Also, not sure if anyone has pointed this out but the fact that two female characters have had powers that can do no good (Mia and Shanti) have both had brothers who can counteract the virus not suggesting a link between the powers given out to kids?

I'm not sure Alejandro(sp?) had a power either. At first i thought they were the yin yang, they reminded me of something from a Feist book, there being two Gods initially, one the creator the other the destroyer (I had initially hjoped that the writers would go down this route, it was the only way i could see of making them relevant to the storyline in anyway). But then when Mia was able to control her power it got me thinking that he was nothing but a reassuring influence on her, able to calm here down. I'm not sure the effect with his eyes suggested he had a power himself, as that happened to everyone in the proximity.

Bubs101 wrote: »

Also, Nathan or Peter could have gotten there powers from Kieto. Mama Petrelli does admit they have slept together to Parkman's police partner in the past

surely then their characters would be played by Japanese-American actors if that were the case?

Skud

usually if a hero has powers so does at least one of their parents... Case and examples : Claire, Micah, Parkman.

We still don't know who had the power out of the petrelli family and the nakamura family. Just an observation....

Faith

Right, the company and it's policies were formed AFTER the original group got together. It's been repeatedly stated that a group of people developed powers and got together, with the aim of helping/saving the world. I'd imagine it was quite a few years down the line before they started teaming heroes with non-heroes. I don't buy your theory of half the original group not having powers, there'd be no reasoning behind it. Why would non-heroes be allowed be founders of the Company? Back when they started, they were young an idealistic, much like the current generation. They didn't consider their powers wrong or dangerous or in need of watching. They have simply no reason to pair themselves with random non-heroes at that point.

I'll agree with maybe Victoria had no power and was just a scientist, like Mohinder. And it's possible that Angela Petrelli was just there as Mr. Petrelli's wife, but I really doubt. As for Kaito, as Overheal said:

"I have waited so long for a Nakamura to ascend. I never thought it would be you, Hiro." but at the same time other quotes have implied more: "We have the power of gods" being one of them.

Finally,

bubs101 wrote:

Also, Nathan or Peter could have gotten there powers from Kieto. Mama Petrelli does admit they have slept together to Parkman's police partner in the past

Seeing as neither of them look REMOTELY Japanese, I'm gonna go ahead and say no. It's called contraception.

Mark Hamill

Overheal wrote:

Angela Petrelli: Persuasion? I highly think not.

I think she does have some kind of mental power, when Nathans wife went to see him in hospital, Angella Petrelli kept rubbing Nathans wifes arm when trying to convince her not to talk about the Petrellis delusions of grandeur(according to the wiki anyway). If nothing else, it was weird.

leninbenjamin wrote: »

I'm not sure Alejandro(sp?) had a power either.
But then when Mia was able to control her power it got me thinking that he was nothing but a reassuring influence on her, able to calm here down. I'm not sure the effect with his eyes suggested he had a power himself, as that happened to everyone in the proximity.

http://heroeswiki.com/Alejandro%27s_ability

leninbenjamin

Mark Hamill wrote: »

http://heroeswiki.com/Alejandro%27s_ability

eh? did your read what i said? I'm not entirely convinced it was his own ability. i think it might have just been a manifestation of Mia's. She does the same thing on her own with Sylar.

manti452

leninbenjamin wrote: »

eh? did your read what i said? I'm not entirely convinced it was his own ability. i think it might have just been a manifestation of Mia's. She does the same thing on her own with Sylar.

It's not a big jump to say that Maya could learn to control her own ability with time, as has been mentioned in this thread, all the heroes are becoming more proficient with time.

This doesn't negate that Alejandro may well have had the power to negate his sister's poison. With time it's possible he could have been reversing all sorts of things.. like an ability to heal others (rather than going to the claire/adam bloodbank).

There's room for debate here but the quote from the writers on the wiki seems clear : According to writers Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski, Alejandro was able to reverse the effects of Maya's power on Nidia because Nidia hadn't died yet. "Once people die, all Alejandro can do is pray and grab a shovel."

User45701

I see, i understand the company tbh, if i where them i would have liked to see how claire would react to Maya's power. Since we think Alejandro is dead we will not get to see his power unless there is a time event or syler goes back for a look.

All he could do was what syler could do. Help her control her own power, yet he was uneffected while syler was? So is there a small chance (oh **** i hope im wrong here) that he can do what claire/Kensi can do? one can assume that over his 400 years kensi would have caused a few little spawns of himself though the ages. Claire might not be his only decendent. What if he can heal? they brought maya back from the dead so they might do it with him as well. I hope not and i hope syler deals with Maya in the first episode.

Overheal

nah i assume the twins are both dead. thank god. i forget is West dead? he should be dead. lets kill West.

Faith

Maya is alive, so's West. Dunno where you got the idea that either of them are dead!

Suaimhneach

I think it is plausible that people with powers and people with out powers (lets call them non-power people) could have paired from the beginning. Not to "control" one another. Look at it as it happened with this new generation. They got in contact with scientiest and told some freinds. Its likely that non power people and power people created the organisation from that realistic point of view.

Can someone work out the geneology. Adam + 400 = clare (whos dad is Pertrelli + trailer trash) Pertrelli's mam and dad are... etc etc.

leninbenjamin

Jesjes wrote: »

I think it is plausible that people with powers and people with out powers (lets call them non-power people) could have paired from the beginning. Not to "control" one another. Look at it as it happened with this new generation. They got in contact with scientiest and told some freinds. Its likely that non power people and power people created the organisation from that realistic point of view.

could take an evolutionary angle on it. perhaps the heroes on their own are just too unstable, a la Peter going boom. perhaps it's a natural draw of those with abilities to those without for gene stability or something, as if those without abilities have more stable genes are something, and that the best outcome for evolution will be a dilution of the current heroes base or some ****e?

Can someone work out the geneology. Adam + 400 = clare (whos dad is Pertrelli + trailer trash) Pertrelli's mam and dad are... etc etc.

i don't think we have enough information to work it out yet really... i'm assuming for some reason that Adam has some connection (a more recent one i'll hazard) to Clares mammy... i think if there was any link to the Petrelli's it would have had to have been hinted too.

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Just reading the Kaito wiki there it reminded me that when Kaito saw Adam he said something like "out of everyone I never thought it would be you" doesn't really make much sense, everyone else seems to know it's adam

Mark Hamill

wrote: »

Just reading the Kaito wiki there it reminded me that when Kaito saw Adam he said something like "out of everyone I never thought it would be you" doesn't really make much sense, everyone else seems to know it's adam

Well Bob definitely knew, as he told Nathan, but I think Kaito was supposed to have the company before the beginning of season 1, so maybe he didn't know that Adam had escaped and by "out of everyone" he meant everyone that he wronged with the company.
Alternatively maybe Adam had more people working with him (more than Peter and Maury Parkman anyway), and Kaito expected Adam to send someone to kill him, not do it himself.

User45701

I thought that as well, actually before it was revealed to be Adam the working idiea we had was that the killer was Hiro, strike anyone, anytime and would have explained what Kiato had said (we where assuming they had done something so bad even hiro would kill his own father)

Anyway i think he said it because adam was locked up. Also adam could not have had any recent connection to claires mother unless the company extraced some samples from adam and inpregnated Claires mother which is unlikly, id say claire is some distant grandchild of Kensi

Bubs101

I'd say that they are all related to Adam in one way. The fact that he's English but was found in Japan suggests that he could have easily have had a woman in every port. English pilgrims feck off to America and do his work for him while he moves down to India as a tea salesman before being sent to jail in Australia for some crime or another. Most likely way the powers were spread

Fysh

What about the possibility that a given ability, or range of similar abilities, can develop amongst more than one person without needing any link between them? Ie that there is some sort of core gene that makes people predisposed to developing an ability but does not influence what ability they have?

For example, we have Claire & Adam as self-healers & Linderman as being able to heal others, yet there are as of yet no common family ties between the three that we know of.

We have West & Nathan Petrelli both able to fly and again no family connection that we know of.

Similarly, Ma Petrelli may have a similar form of persuasive ability to Eden's. Again, no family connection that we know of.

We also know that there is no concrete link between the abilities of parents and their children. Claire's parents had pyrokinesis and flight, she got self-healing. Micah's parents had superstrength & phasing, he's a technomancer. Bob has the Midas touch, but Elle got energy generation. On the other hand, Maury & Son both had the same power...

(On a related note, I'm fairly sure that one of the most recent comics confirmed that Pa Petrelli had an ability of some sort...)

Mark Hamill

Fysh wrote: »

What about the possibility that a given ability, or range of similar abilities, can develop amongst more than one person without needing any link between them? Ie that there is some sort of core gene that makes people predisposed to developing an ability but does not influence what ability they have?

Fysh wrote: »

Micah's parents had superstrength & phasing, he's a technomancer.

Didn't Linderman say something about how Nikki and DL where brought together on purpose so that would have Micah (who could influence the voting machines etc), so its possible that theres some part of the gene that can be manipulated that could determine the powers manifested. That or one of the "first generation" had the power to see the outcome of any choice and so figure out who needed to have kids to come up with someone with Micahs power.

Fysh wrote: »

Bob has the Midas touch, but Elle got energy generation.

Didn't something Noah said imply that Elle wasn't actually Bobs daughter, that she was taken from her family and experimented on and made to forget by the Hiatian?

What I want to know is why all the newer generation started manifesting their powers at the same time (Look at the episode "Six Months Earlier" from season one)

Pepe LeFrits

leninbenjamin wrote: »

eh? did your read what i said? I'm not entirely convinced it was his own ability. i think it might have just been a manifestation of Mia's. She does the same thing on her own with Sylar.

If that is the case, why doesn't Alejandro get sick whenever Maya uses her power? The first time she used it she killed everyone at the wedding, except Alejandro.

Whatever Angela's power is, apparently we've already seen it in action, but by Peter.

kevmy

wrote: »

Just reading the Kaito wiki there it reminded me that when Kaito saw Adam he said something like "out of everyone I never thought it would be you" doesn't really make much sense, everyone else seems to know it's adam

Again I'd say it's because he thought he was locked up. He reckoned maybe Maury or some other person he a disagreement with was doing it.

Faith wrote: »

Right, the company and it's policies were formed AFTER the original group got together. It's been repeatedly stated that a group of people developed powers and got together, with the aim of helping/saving the world. I'd imagine it was quite a few years down the line before they started teaming heroes with non-heroes. I don't buy your theory of half the original group not having powers, there'd be no reasoning behind it. Why would non-heroes be allowed be founders of the Company? Back when they started, they were young an idealistic, much like the current generation. They didn't consider their powers wrong or dangerous or in need of watching. They have simply no reason to pair themselves with random non-heroes at that point.

I'll agree with maybe Victoria had no power and was just a scientist, like Mohinder. And it's possible that Angela Petrelli was just there as Mr. Petrelli's wife, but I really doubt. As for Kaito, as Overheal said:

Maybe the Petrelli's were married before they found their powers. Also the pic from the Company seems pretty recent so their is nothing to say Victoria or Kaito were their from the very beginning.

As for the current generation finding out their powers at the same time. I always assumed that DL, Nathan and Claire had found their powers years ago. Claire had her memory wiped I'll agree. Eden also had hers for a while. As well as Issac.

spacecoyote

it seems pretty confused when it comes to Arthur Petrelli (Pa Petrelli) if you're up to speed on the web-comics. In one of the most recent ones (Elle's First Assignment) Bob hints at Claire being as important as a Linderman or Arthur Petrelli (hinting at power). But in the earlier comics (can't remember title, but its a 4/5 part comic, set in the Vietnam war), we are introduced to Linderman, and find out that the fellow soldier who he helps and subsequently strikes up a relationship with is named Petrelli. This second soldier named Petrelli has no power in the comic, and is freaked out by Lindermans power. This would imply that Peter's father had no power, unless it manifested much later on, so Peter & Nathan would have to get their powers from Angela Petrellis genes???