Coincidence or Fact??

Tribezz

I know the debate still rages as to wether or not online sites are rigged and does the software allow for manipulation? The jury is still out for me personally, I'd like to think not but wouldn't be surprised to find out that the whole industry is a complete scam,however this hasn't stopped me playing for hours on end in the vain hope of taking down a monster payday.:D

I have noticed that whenever I move to a new site or go back to one after several months away I tend to do exceptionally well for the first month or so.
Has anyone else encountered this or have any thoughts????

DEmeant0r

I don't know whether online poker is rigged or not, but I see no reason for companies to rig their software, these companies live off rake, if they rig the software and people find out, people will leave. Declining playerbase = losing rake = losing profit.

Bah, I'm tired, this reply probably doesn't even make sense anyways.

Tribezz

It kinda made sense! But also rigged software= kk vs aa = allin = big rake= big profit!!

If that makes sense, ah i'm tired too

Ace2007

The one thing about playin online that i have little confidence in, is wheater the same flop,turn and river comes out regardless of who plays, i.e when i fold 73 of hearts to a raise and reraise all in, the flop comes down 456 all hearts. would this have happened if i had call... playin online - u never know as oppose to playin live as you know for defo...

apart from that i think players like valor(i don't really know anyone else who plays online and does so well) have proven that you can make money playin online if you educate urself and look over pokertracker, etc.... and so i don't think its rigged...

DEmeant0r

Also, I think in some software, the most rake companies will take from a pot is $3, so they gain nothing more if they rig it so four people are all in with AA vs KK vs QQ vs QQ or something similar... just something to think about.

Macspower

Tribezz wrote: »

I know the debate still rages as to wether or not online sites are rigged and does the software allow for manipulation? The jury is still out for me personally, I'd like to think not but wouldn't be surprised to find out that the whole industry is a complete scam,however this hasn't stopped me playing for hours on end in the vain hope of taking down a monster payday.:D

I have noticed that whenever I move to a new site or go back to one after several months away I tend to do exceptionally well for the first month or so.
Has anyone else encountered this or have any thoughts????

whenever you move site they think you are a new "fish" and reward you with good variance so you get hooked ont he game and then when you make a withdrawal it lights the red light on the big console and they immediately turn off the positive variance and mark you as a non fish....

easy way to beat the system is to move around sites and as soon as they realise you are a fish move on and just rince and repeat.... I'm sure that how all the big boys make the money anyway... there are also more advanced techniques used my the sites and programmed into the RNG to spot the non fish .... such as watching to see how often you get your money in ahead and making sure that if you do this too many times that you are immediately de-fished and positive variance is turned off..... sneakey devils they are....

On a serious note KK vs AA means very little to the site as most sites operate a capped rake system where there is a max to be raked despite what comes on the board...

Fish suck out more because they are happy to ge their money in behind and look to get lucky and they will sometimes.....

Also a lot to do with it is the number of hands played online vs live and the beats appear more often/worse than live.... but live at 25hph compaed to maybe 300/400 hph for multitablers is the difference... If you could deal as many hands live as online you'd have same ammount of beats

Ste05

Tribezz wrote: »

I know the debate still rages as to wether or not online sites are rigged and does the software allow for manipulation? I'd like to think not but wouldn't be surprised to find out that the whole industry is a complete scam

The debate doesn't rage on. Online Poker is not rigged, for loads of reasons that have been gone over countless times on this site and others (use search). Online Poker is not rigged, and the chances of an entire Multi-Billion dollar industry being a scam is just laughable.

I'll let this thread live for the night and if anyone wants to take the time to explain to this poster why it's not rigged feel free, but chances are it'll just end up being another joke thread, in which case I'll lock her up tomorrow (unless one of the other mods lock it before hand).

The one time there was evidence of untoward behaviour by a site it was found out exposed and the site has paid the price. The name of the site was Absolute Poker, try a google search or a search on here about it. But the whole industry is not rigged.

mormank

i think it would be better for sites to rig tournies if they were gonna rig somewhere cos of the rake cap...big hands around the bubble etc. speed things along....

Macspower

Ste05 wrote: »

The debate doesn't rage on. Online Poker is not rigged, for loads of reasons that have been gone over countless times on this site and others (use search). Online Poker is not rigged, and the chances of an entire Multi-Billion dollar industry being a scam is just laughable.

I'll let this thread live for the night and if anyone wants to take the time to explain to this poster why it's not rigged feel free, but chances are it'll just end up being another joke thread, in which case I'll lock her up tomorrow (unless one of the other mods lock it before hand).

The one time there was evidence of untoward behaviour by a site it was found out exposed and the site has paid the price. The name of the site was Absolute Poker, try a google search or a search on here about it. But the whole industry is not rigged.

I've already stared the jokes off....... sry...

But without having to search and wade through billions of posts what was the end result with AP? last I heard was they said it was an employee and he had never takent eh money off the site and it was going to be refunded.... Is this what happened or did it take another twist after?

Lazare

Not another one of these threads.
This has been done to death.
Online poker is not rigged, if you believe it is, well I'm sorry but you're poker knowledge is at an embrionic stage.


Do you think the guy who profits from your beat complains about riggage?

Macspower

mormank wrote: »

i think it would be better for sites to rig tournies if they were gonna rig somewhere cos of the rake cap...big hands around the bubble etc. speed things along....

Well spotted Mormank.... they also are well known for this.... along with rewarding the larger stack that got it AIPF with worse hand as they need the tourney to finish as the TD has to finish his shift.... well spotted...

SuperHans

Ace2007 wrote: »

The one thing about playin online that i have little confidence in, is wheater the same flop,turn and river comes out regardless of who plays, i.e when i fold 73 of hearts to a raise and reraise all in, the flop comes down 456 all hearts. would this have happened if i had call... playin online - u never know as oppose to playin live as you know for defo...

apart from that i think players like valor(i don't really know anyone else who plays online and does so well) have proven that you can make money playin online if you educate urself and look over pokertracker, etc.... and so i don't think its rigged...

The board is never predetermined as far as I know. It depends mainly on the timing of the appearance of the flop, turn and river, although it may depend on other factors. The sites claim that they use random number generators (or as random as they can possibly be), so whether you folded that hand preflop or not, you will have the same chance of flopping 456 all hearts, but the realisations will most probably be different.

A lot of the arguements about the "riggedness" of online poker are completely unfounded and I am yet to see a statistically significant sample that would persuade me otherwise. That being said, it is certainly quite possible that a flaw in some site's random number generator or maybe some rogue programmer could rig the game. I doubt, however, that this would be in the site's interest, and if discovered it would be quickly fixed.

The Al Lad

Lazare wrote: »

Do you think the guy who profits from your beat complains about riggage?

No, because he secretly works for the site

cooker3

Ace2007 wrote: »

The one thing about playin online that i have little confidence in, is wheater the same flop,turn and river comes out regardless of who plays, i.e when i fold 73 of hearts to a raise and reraise all in, the flop comes down 456 all hearts. would this have happened if i had call... playin online - u never know as oppose to playin live as you know for defo...

What difference does that make. What possible reason would there be for a site to rig it so more flops hit hands that have folded pf. To annoy their customers? cause that is such a successful strategy!

phantom_lord

that's not what he's concerned about rob, it's whether his fold was correct or not! one of most live players pastimes is sitting there moaning about what they would have hit if they'd have called.

mdwexford

Its only a correct fold if you miss.

How much you offering for a QOTSA ticket PL....;)

Theresalwaysone

Lads I hate to break it to you all but Valor is actually a robot. Sort of like r2d2. He only wins online cos he sticks his cable thingy into the interweb and cracks the RNG's.

phantom_lord

mdwexford wrote: »

How much you offering for a QOTSA ticket PL....;)

u selling one?

Ace2007

phantom_lord wrote: »

that's not what he's concerned about rob, it's whether his fold was correct or not! one of most live players pastimes is sitting there moaning about what they would have hit if they'd have called.

so so true.... actualy made me laugh:D:D
thats the difference between us fish and u pros shane...

cardshark202

QOTSA ticket? Ill take one please

mormank

Macspower wrote: »

Well spotted Mormank.... they also are well known for this.... along with rewarding the larger stack that got it AIPF with worse hand as they need the tourney to finish as the TD has to finish his shift.... well spotted...

plz dont be sarcastic with me!!!!! make jokes, insult my posts in any way you like but plz dont be sarcastic with me! if you do it will end up in one of us being banned. no response this time.

i wasnt sayin that it is rigged you dope, just that if it was this is the only place it would be of any use, by getting players out of one tournie and to register for another one i.e.more reg fee!!

online poker is not rigged, obviously!! however it has already been shown that it can be manipulated in other ways by players themselves, very rare, but it can happen

Macspower

mormank wrote: »

plz dont be sarcastic with me!!!!! make jokes, insult my posts in any way you like but plz dont be sarcastic with me! if you do it will end up in one of us being banned. no response this time.

i wasnt sayin that it is rigged you dope, just that if it was this is the only place it would be of any use, by getting players out of one tournie and to register for another one i.e.more reg fee!!

online poker is not rigged, obviously!! however it has already been shown that it can be manipulated in other ways by players themselves, very rare, but it can happen

read again..... easy on the dope comments..... and the threats.... pretty sure you read inot it wrong... but not to worry... you can apologise later

mdwexford

phantom_lord wrote: »

u selling one?

Not my one, its priceless obv , if any of my friends pull out which could well happen ill let you know.

Icarus152

Meh.I vote lockage.Needs to get funny or finish

RoundTower

I think the best way to handle these threads is to move them to Conspiracy Theories.

Ste05

Locked, obviously none of us are bothered explaining again why it's not rigged.

To the OP,

Use the search function and you might come across one of the previous threads about this. But you can happily play away knowing that everyone on boards who knows anything about Poker all are in complete agreement that it is not rigged and if it was it would have been exposed by now.

Ste05