Duddy World Title no chance

c1979

No Head movement

Getting caught way too much

Not being able to put away a 37 year old

I think Macklin would beat him

walshb

Agreed, too easily hit and doesn't IMO possess the real KO saving punch

starn

Had saturdays bout not been in Belfast. I think the result would of gone the other way

Dub13

starn wrote: »

Had saturdays bout not been in Belfast. I think the result would of gone the other way

Do you really think so...?I know it was close but I did not think it was that close,a lot of rounds were a draw which is strange.

walshb

I think the result was fair, neither really dominated and it was close, but Duddy overall was the busier fighter

prendy

i remember talkin to people in New York last year who said he hadnt fought anyone decent and wouldnt go much further...havnt seen much since to change this opinion. gets caught way way too much.

nacho libre

Who is this Vanda fellow he is fighting next?

Raekwon

I agree. I think Duddy's defence is awful, his hands are always at chest height and his head is static and totally exposed. A fighter like Kelly Pavlik would eat him for breakfast!

dlofnep

c1979 wrote: »

No Head movement

Getting caught way too much

Not being able to put away a 37 year old

I think Macklin would beat him

Age isn't that important tbh. Ibragimov couldn't put away a 45 year old Holyfield. If anything, Howard showed that he still had life in him and wanted to win the fight.

Duddy's defense is poor.. Not overly poor, but poor enough that when a real hitter comes in - he will be hurt. If he can work with the right coach to tighten up his defense, he has a shot - due to having a good chin, good boxing ability and the willingness to fight.

starn

Dub13 wrote: »

Do you really think so...?I know it was close but I did not think it was that close,a lot of rounds were a draw which is strange.

Honestly

megadodge

Had saturdays bout not been in Belfast. I think the result would of gone the other way

Surprised with that comment, as I thought the result perfectly fair and I had predicted and bet on an Eastman victory !

I had him winning by 3 rounds.

I agree with the various comments on his defence, which is why I thought he would lose this one, but his chin is solid. However, it's gonna need to be a hell of a lot more than solid if he ever fights Pavlik. He'd do well to last 4-5 rounds.

yomchi

Agree with all of that. There is room for improvement, but he can always change and adapt. I thought he beat Eastman fairly and wasn't phased by any of Eastmans big uppercuts. I think he'll go as far as challenger but he might never hold the bet.
Lee on the other hand has the full package in my opinion.

Táck

i would be by no means a boxing pundit, but after the fight i said to my mate that duddy will never be a world champion. after reading this page i think i'll take up punditry...

Dub13

So if the consensus here is Duddy will never be 'world class' what would you do now if you were his managment/promoter...?Do you stay at the level he is at now and make a few bob maybe fighting for a European belt a bit down the line.

Or do you go for it and have one big shot...?

Táck

good question. surely every boxer is in it to be the best and wants to be the best. surley thr duddy camp think he can achieve this. if he's in it just for the few bob then he should just stick to european.

Running Bing

c1979 wrote: »

No Head movement

Getting caught way too much

Not being able to put away a 37 year old

I think Macklin would beat him

He takes more shots to the face than Jenna Jameson.

I really like Duddy. He is personable and charasmatic and the polar opposite to Bernard Dunne imo.

I really wish he would win a world championship but it will never happen Im afraid:(

Táck

i reckon andy lee is our last chance for the forseeable future.

jayroyal

why take chances at european level he's a huge ticket seller he's have a title shot coz of this and people should get behind him i was in new york at one of his fights he's pretty big over here lets hope he makes it :cool:

maradona10

michael carruth thought eastman won the fight and wasnt impressed at all by duddy.

if he cant get rid of or avoid punches comin from a 37yr old hes goin nowhere

eirebhoy

Táck wrote: »

i reckon andy lee is our last chance for the forseeable future.

Who's the guy Jim Rock predicted on Saturday would be a world champion?

Gus Ivey

duddy has a great heart but is technically very poor - a bit like hatton

Running Bing

Gus Ivey wrote: »

duddy has a great heart but is technically very poor - a bit like hatton

Hattons not technically poor or nothing like it:eek:


I am constantly astonished at the rate at which people underestimate Hattons boxing skills.

To compare him to Duddy is well wide of the mark.

Gus Ivey

Babybing wrote: »

Hattons not technically poor or nothing like it:eek:


I am constantly astonished at the rate at which people underestimate Hattons boxing skills.

To compare him to Duddy is well wide of the mark.

ok, that was a little bit exagerated.

but hatton fights with great passion and heart, strength and a good chin.

recent boxers have been technically better and been more succesful.
eg. barrera,gatti,dela hoya,morales etc etc

maradona10

i wouldnt include gatti

sligobhoy67

eirebhoy wrote: »

Who's the guy Jim Rock predicted on Saturday would be a world champion?

Paul McCloskey or Stephen Haughian, probably the former!

Jim knows his stuff!

pjbrady1

The RTE guys underestimated how poor Mccloskeys opponent was I thought. The second and third rounds looked like he was throwing the fight. Came out with some fight in the fourth, which soon cooled off. Hands up, standing static and barely throwing a shot in return. Then falling to the ground after the replay showed most of the punches missed (caught with some medium hits).
So until we see Mccloskey decently hustled around with some aggression it's very early to be talking of "the full package" and amazing reflexes.

joepenguin

if you click the link below you will see Eastman with wba and ibo belts, i assume they are intercontinentals or something to that effect as he never won a world title, but the belts are not listed on boxrec?
anyone know who he fought for these?
http://www.bernarddunne.net/p_release20.php

also i noticed boxrec doesn't list the ring belts

pacman murphy

c1979 wrote: »

No Head movement

Getting caught way too much

Not being able to put away a 37 year old

I think Macklin would beat him

I couldn't see Duddy beating Pavlik or even Jermain Taylor for that matter

Big Ears

Duddy could easily pick up the WBO if a Pavlik fight doesn't go ahead , Gary Lockett is mandatory for that and I assume Pavlik will be stripped soon for not fighting him . John is #2 so would contest the vacant title and imo is a lot better than Lockett .

However he isn't going to beat Pavlik or Taylor(who won't fight at Middleweight again) but if Pavlik moves up anytime soon John has a chance . Middleweight is pretty poor at the moment and outside the 2 mentioned above Arthur Abraham is the only fighter of real class.........and he's been putting in some bad performances recently .

walshb

No disrespect to Duddy, but if John is the best that the division has to offer, should Taylor and Pavlik leave, then the sports second most prestigious weight is in dire straits.....

jayroyal

Is it not just ok to win a world title without been compared to all the greats of the past. If he win a world title he should get credit not just because people don't think he's an top world class boxer we live in a small country people should be happy we have a boxer who has a chance to win one of the top four world title beltsfor god sake :mad:

dlofnep

We're quick to bash our own.. I think John's a good boxer, to say he's technically poor is a poor estimate of his skills. John Duddy is a top 10 boxer, no question about it. Andy Lee is probably top 25, with the promise of being in the top 3 given a few more fights.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

No disrespect to Duddy, but if John is the best that the division has to offer, should Taylor and Pavlik leave, then the sports second most prestigious weight is in dire straits.....

It's a terrible division , where most of the top 10 consist of fighters like Duddy , Sylvester and Asikainen . However because the top 3 spots(imo) are covered by Americans it is thought of as a good division . Of course historically it is(helped by being part of the original 8 weight divisions) but right now it is poor .

walshb

I love to see Irish boxers doing well and they are IMO a credit to this country and always have been. But I also have to be honest when assessing their skills and potential and ability compared to other fighters....

Duddy is a tough, game and competent fighter. He is simlpy NOT world class and if he somehow does win a legitimate title, WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO, then I feel the division is lacking. Will I be praying he wins, most definitely yes......
And I will also celebrate his title win....

el tel

walshb wrote: »

I love to see Irish boxers doing well and they are IMO a credit to this country and always have been. But I also have to be honest when assessing their skills and potential and ability compared to other fighters....

Duddy is a tough, game and competent fighter. He is simlpy NOT world class and if he somehow does win a legitimate title, WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO, then I feel the division is lacking. Will I be praying he wins, most definitely yes......
And I will also celebrate his title win....

I agree 100%.

Duddy is a great guy, has plenty of heart and is decent enough but not world class. His flaws are obvious and I'm not so sure he will be able to rectify them well enough to become a boxer capable of winning major belts or dominating a division. One redeeming thing that I did see in him was from a clip of a bout in the US where he kept on punching a guy as he fell down. He may have the necessary killer instinct in there after all...

theone

I had the same sort of opinion about Duddy on this board when the pavlik fight was first mooted but i was accused of blabbing,of course I'm going to support him to the hilt, but I don't see the point of him fighting pavlik if he won great but I can't see it happening.

walshb

theone wrote: »

I had the same sort of opinion about Duddy on this board when the pavlik fight was first mooted but i was accused of blabbing,of course I'm going to support him to the hilt, but I don't see the point of him fighting pavlik if he won great but I can't see it happening.

I remember you saying so. I don't think he will win, but Duddy is in the ring for two reasons. 1 HE loves boxing and 2 he wants to make money. It is after all his livelihood and a fight with Pavlik will pay big money. The guy may not believe he can win, but sometimes a fighter knows this, but the rewards are too great to say NO....
The only time a fighter really will refuse a fight even when the money is right, is when
he really fears his opponent and is dead nervous...And I don't mean normal nervous
fear that all fighters experience, I mean actual dreaded fear....

And sometimes even this doesn't stop a fighter taking a fight for cash...
Look at Spinks V Tyson.....

theone

walshb wrote: »

I remember you saying so. I don't think he will win, but Duddy is in the ring for two reasons. 1 HE loves boxing and 2 he wants to make money. It is after all his livelihood and a fight with Pavlik will pay big money. The guy may not believe he can win, but sometimes a fighter knows this, but the rewards are too great to say NO....
The only time a fighter really will refuse a fight even when the money is right, is when
he really fears his opponent and is dead nervous...And I don't mean normal nervous
fear that all fighters experience, I mean actual dreaded fear....

And sometimes even this doesn't stop a fighter taking a fight for cash...
Look at Spinks V Tyson.....

or even tyson V buster douglas

Douglas's mother died a month or so before his fight so that migh've been his motivation.

I understand he wants to make money ,money makes the world go round and all but for meself i can't see the point in fighting unless you think deep down that your going to win.

Pavlik is the best and you can't knock him for going for him,I'd rather see lee against pavlik not now after he gets a good few more fights under his belt.

I'll be cheering duddy on but he's not good enough to beat pavlik and he seems like a nice guy i don't want to see him get humiliated.

efb

When did WBO become legitamite? (IS that not FW sponsored???) (WBU+1)
WBA, WBC and IBF for me and thats it.
The Ring Title is the only true measure though

bilbo79

efb wrote: »

When did WBO become legitamite? (IS that not FW sponsored???) (WBU+1)
WBA, WBC and IBF for me and thats it.
The Ring Title is the only true measure though

For me its a legitimate title but still the 4th in order of importance! personally i'd be happier if there was an official best title to win! for me its wbc, no1.

The WBO started after a group of Puerto Rican and Dominican businessmen broke out of the World Boxing Association's 1988 annual convention in Isla Margarita, Venezuela, claiming to be disgusted by the WBA's questionable rules and ratings systems.

The WBO twice moved Darrin Morris up in its super-middleweight rankings in 2001, despite the fact that he was dead. Morris was #7 at the time of his death and #5 when the WBO discovered the error. Varcarcel said "we obviously missed the fact that Darrin was dead. It is regrettable." One week after British newspaper The Independent broke the story, one of the three men ranking the boxers, Gordon Volkman, still had not heard that Morris was dead


The WBO's first president was Ramon Pina Acevedo of the Dominican Republic. Soon after its beginning, the WBO was staging world championship bouts around the globe. Its first championship fight was for the vacant World Super-middleweight title, between Thomas Hearns and James Kinchen; Hearns won by decision. In order to gain respectability, the WBO next elected former world light-heavyweight champion Jose Torres of Ponce, Puerto Rico its president. Torres achieved his goal and left in 1996, giving way to Puerto Rican lawyer Francisco Varcarcel as president. Varcarcel has been there since.

The WBO was made popular by boxers such as Oscar De La Hoya, Marco Antonio Barrera, Naseem Hamed, Michael Carbajal, Johnny Tapia, Harry Simon, Nigel Benn, Gerald McClellan, Joe Calzaghe, Steve Collins, Michael Moorer, Dariusz Michalczewski, Chris Eubank, Vitali Klitschko, Chris Byrd and Vladimir Klitschko in the 1990s.

Big Ears

efb wrote: »

When did WBO become legitamite? (IS that not FW sponsored???) (WBU+1)
WBA, WBC and IBF for me and thats it.
The Ring Title is the only true measure though

It's as legitimate as all the others(by which I mean they're all bull****) .
Some people try to put the WBC top , they are as bad if not worse than the rest of them . The Pongsaklek Wonjongkam situation was an absolute farce(Jose Sulaiman even admitted that they ****ed up bigtime there) .

The Roy Jones Light-Heavyweight title situation was even worse and it almost bankrupt them.......unfortunately they have managed to survive .

Even the Ring magazine isn't great as it relys on their own ranking of who is #1 and #2 in a division to fight for a vacant title , but they put in the stipulation that it can be #1 and #3 if they think the match is suitable . Considering Golden Boy Promotions own the Ring now I wouldn't be that confident about their(often American biased) rankings .

Also one thing to consider is Dariusz Michalczewski fought Virgil Hill back in 1997(I think) for the WBO/WBA/IBF titles . At the time Hill was considered #1 and Michalczewski #2 . Hill was only after beating Henry Maske in a WBA/IBF fight and many felt that was a fight between #1 and #2 so we can firmly establish that if the Ring had been presenting belts during that time period Dariusz Michalczewski would of been named champion .

Since Hill and Michalczewski were considered #1 and #2 by pretty much everyone the winner of their fight would be what we call lineal champion, aka the Real Champ , aka The Man . Being Lineal champion works on a system of the man who beat the man , with vacant titles being fought between the clear #1 and #2 at the time .

However Ring magazine likes to see itself as a lineal(of sorts) belt , but because they weren't giving out belts at the time Michalczewski never got the Ring title . So when that young upstart Jones came along and started picking up alphabet titles like there was no tomorrow he became Ring champion . In this case the Ring champion wasn't the Lineal and true champion . Infact the true(despite how crap his opposition is) champion now is not Bernard Hopkins but Zsolt Erdei .

Gonzalez beat Michalczewski and Erdei beat Gonzalez so he is the true lineal champion........the real champ .

However Ring magazine works off the Jones was champ , Tarver beat Jones , Johnson beat Tarver , Tarver beat Johnson , Hopkins beat Tarver line .

Now granted if Hopkins were to fight Erdei this problem would be sorted and wouldn't arise again for as long as The Ring gave out belts but they really should have sorted this out by backing issuing belts to true champions when they started giving belts .

The other contradiction between Ring and true lineal is that Vitali Klitschko was Ring champion . Klitschko only ever fought #3 ranked Corrie Sanders and never went on to rematch then #2 Chris Byrd so he was never really the champion . Lennox Lewis is the last real heavyweight champ and not Klitschko as the Ring might like to portray .

They also recently had Chris Arreola in their top 10 at heavyweight...........what the hell is that about , any question of them being American biased was confirmed right there .

Duddyfan

c1979 wrote: »

No Head movement

Getting caught way too much

Not being able to put away a 37 year old

I think Macklin would beat him

Duddy may surprise you!Macklin would have his work cut out to stop him and Duddy's combinations and hand speed is excellent.Macklin was also unable to put away Campus and I think he lacks consistency and focus in his fights.
I would money on Duddy stopping Macklin.
As for world titles, lesser boxers have won belts.

walshb

Hey, if Duddy cannot beat Macklin, then he should give up.
I don't rate Macklin at all and think Duddy will wear him
down for a mid to late TKO.
Macklin looked very ordinary in
his last few bouts, particularly against Campas

mike4819

I Saw Duddy fight twice in the states, and am a big fan. Does anyone know when his next fight is, and is he still going to train with Pat Burns? Has he reconciled with Irish ropes?
Un-fortunately, it Almost seems like he has had enough of boxing and wants out.

Duddyfan

mike4819 wrote: »

I Saw Duddy fight twice in the states, and am a big fan. Does anyone know when his next fight is, and is he still going to train with Pat Burns? Has he reconciled with Irish ropes?
Un-fortunately, it Almost seems like he has had enough of boxing and wants out.

On Irish-boxing.com there was an article which says that John will be fighting again on March 6th in Madison Square Garden with the 3 Hyland brothers also on the card.