Mayweather P4P king ??????

Bernard Hopkins

Is Mayweather P4P king of all active boxers ?

Brethitmanhart

It's not really debateable, he is king.

The Sparrow

well, duh!

Call Me Jimmy

Yup, look at his face after every fight for christ sake, he wins without getting a scratch -I haven't boxed before but I'de imagine that's pretty tricky to pull off.

dlofnep

Have to give him his dues.. He's fought the best of his era and won them all.

Guy:Incognito

MEh. I'm taller and heavier than him. I'd knock the skinny punchbag on his arse.


But then, I'm too good. It'd be unfair on everyone for me to box professionaly.

zAbbo

nice thread title to give away the result of the fight :rolleyes:

MisterAnarchy

I think Joe Calzaghe is perhaps better .

Guy:Incognito

Well an arguement could be made fo De La Hoya seeing as he did beat Mayweather.

BloodSugarSex

stick him in the ring with hatton again and we will see how lucky he got last night:D

ROCKMAN

BloodSugarSex wrote: »

stick him in the ring with hatton again and we will see how lucky he got last night:D

Hatton could fight Mayweather another ten times

BUT THE RESULT WILL ALWAYS BE THE SAME MAYWEATHER WILL BEAT HIM EVERY TIME IMO

Mayweather got lucky! what a load of **** IMO

dlofnep

BloodSugarSex wrote: »

stick him in the ring with hatton again and we will see how lucky he got last night:D

lol @ luck

Mayweather won, fair and square and would do so 9 times out of 10.

MisterAnarchy

Stekelly wrote: »

Well an arguement could be made fo De La Hoya seeing as he did beat Mayweather.

De La Hoya lost on a split decision.

theone

floyd won fair and square no luck involved unfortunately,it's a pity calzaghe and floyd are so far apart in size that would be some fight.

Running Bing

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I think Joe Calzaghe is perhaps better .

No he's not. Another case of British hype.

Dont get me wrong, Calzaghe is a great fighter but who has he fought?

His biggest scalps are Lacy and Kessler...hardly on the level of DLH or Hatton.

To say Mayweather is not PFP 1 is arguing for the sake of arguing imo. He is clearly the best and history will look on him very very fondly.


6 world championships across five weight divisions, 20 championship fights, undefeated, fought the best available to him. Mark my words history will remember him as a great like it or not.

cowzerp

Unbelievable talent..

nacho libre

Mayweather's defense was incredible too. Hatton just couldn't land a clean body shot to the ribs.
Mayweather is an amazing fighter.

royboy27

mayweather is p4p no 1 but u have to admit wat was the story with the ref early on in the fight he broke up hattons rythm all the time when this was hattons best chance of taking the fight plus the larger ring. politics were influencing the fight as was the ref .as for calzalghe being hype hes been dodged by every top fighter out there need i say more

nacho libre

About Calazghe:
Even if Calzaghe takes on Hopkins now he is in a no-win situation: if he loses to Hopkins it'll be the following: "he was never as good as people made him out to be." If he beats Hopkins it'll be because "Hopkins is past it." That is why i hope he stays at super- middleweight and fights the winner of Pavlik V Taylor. His critics will have to give him credit once he beats either of these two guys.

Bernard Hopkins

zabbo wrote: »

nice thread title to give away the result of the fight :rolleyes:

apologies ,.didnt even think about that.

personally,...... if i was waiting for the replay and didnt want to know the result, the last place i would be going was a boxing forum. thats pure common sense.

its a stupid rule,....... if you dont want to know the result , then dont go to the boxing sites/forums.
its crazy to think everybody should hold back just in case there's somebody waiting for the replay.

go to any boxing forums on the net and you'll not find a rule like that ....

but thats just my opinion , the rules are the rules here , and I am guilty of that then i suppose. so apologies from me.

gilmour

Babybing wrote: »

No he's not. Another case of British hype.

Dont get me wrong, Calzaghe is a great fighter but who has he fought?

His biggest scalps are Lacy and Kessler...hardly on the level of DLH or Hatton.

To say Mayweather is not PFP 1 is arguing for the sake of arguing imo. He is clearly the best and history will look on him very very fondly.


6 world championships across five weight divisions, 20 championship fights, undefeated, fought the best available to him. Mark my words history will remember him as a great like it or not.

nail on head

on several forums i have read about calzaghes greatness being compared to floyd and if im perfectly honest, its an insult to mayweathers boxing ability and record. B-Hop will demonstrate exactly how protected and overhyped Calzaghe is when they get together next year. And thats a 43 year old B-Hop too.
Its times like last night that i feel privelaged to be watching a true great of the sport live, and in 20 years time we can all harp on to our kids and grandkids about pretty boy floyd mayweather being the best of a generation. He is an absolutely masterful fighter and cannot get enough praise.

Bob in Belfast

theone wrote: »

floyd won fair and square no luck involved unfortunately,it's a pity calzaghe and floyd are so far apart in size that would be some fight.

No the ref was a disgrace,it should not have been a black man refereeing
he was looking for Mayweather to win.

nacho libre wrote: »

Mayweather's defense was incredible too. Hatton just couldn't land a clean body shot to the ribs.
Mayweather is an amazing fighter.

:rolleyes:

gilmour wrote: »

nail on head

on several forums i have read about calzaghes greatness being compared to floyd and if im perfectly honest, its an insult to mayweathers boxing ability and record. B-Hop will demonstrate exactly how protected and overhyped Calzaghe is when they get together next year. And thats a 43 year old B-Hop too.
Its times like last night that i feel privelaged to be watching a true great of the sport live, and in 20 years time we can all harp on to our kids and grandkids about pretty boy floyd mayweather being the best of a generation. He is an absolutely masterful fighter and cannot get enough praise.

Get a grip, you'll never have kid's.

cowzerp

Mayweather done a boxing master class last night, Calzaghe is a slapper that hes never boxed any real top class boxers and i rate hatton above him still in the p4p list, maybe then he's the 2nd from britain!
pacqiou and mayweather are the 2 top p4p fighters..

Barlow07

Bob in Belfast wrote: »

No the ref was a disgrace,it should not have been a black man refereeing
he was looking for Mayweather to win.

The ref was perfectly right to break up the the two of them. I remember when Hatton fought kostya tszyu all he was hold on round after round. kostya tszyu hadn't had a fight in twnety months before this, Hatton was lucky that night. Mayweather is a fantastic boxer and one of the greatest as well, look at all belts he has and undefeated. Ricky Hatton was way in over head tonight, mayweather was right when he said they where a class apart.

I wonder if Hatton is having second thoughts about fighting Oscar de la hoya in may 2008? I would say after last nights performance he will be, another defeat by KO there and a easy fight for De la hoya, different class altogether.

Bernard Hopkins V Joe Calzaghe, a good fight, but again i would back Hopkins even at 42yrs old. I rate Calazaghe as a better boxer then Hatton.

JeanClaude

Bob in Belfast wrote: »

No the ref was a disgrace,it should not have been a black man refereeing
he was looking for Mayweather to win.

Straight from the Jim Watt book of bias:D, Ricky Hatton was outboxed, outclassed, and outwitted by Mayweather.Plain and simple.
Typical English response to a loss, they have to blame someone (or something) it's never as simple as their guy getting beat by the better man, they're the same in all sports, Football (plastic pitch in Moscow,Ronaldo getting Rooney sent off, etc etc etc), Rugby (their (correctly I.M.H.O.) disallowed try in World cup final) Motorsport (Hamilton, court case after last race of season). etc etc etc...you get the drift..;)

Guy:Incognito

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

De La Hoya lost on a split decision.

Yeah but everyone knows he won. If the split had gone the other way no one would have argued

Barlow07

JeanClaude wrote: »

Straight from the Jim Watt book of bias:D, Ricky Hatton was outboxed, outclassed, and outwitted by Mayweather.Plain and simple.

haha, spot on JeanClaude. The other skysports commentator Ian Darke was saying the abuse the referee was getting was justified in his opinion when the brits where calling him a wan***. I wonder if sky condone this kind of behaviour :rolleyes:. I personally thought that comment was disgraceful.

Oilrig

So, in terms of P4P greats, where does Mayweather stand vs Roy Jones for example, or Sugar Ray?

as for Calzaghe, he holds several belts so he can't be that bad...:cool:

yomchi

I agree BH, my mate missed the fight live but had it taped, he switched off his phone and spoke to no one before he watched the fight, he kept his eyes on the ground walking home from work (night shift). Coming here not wanting to know the result is silly really.

Anyway Mayweather without doubt is P4P king, absolute genius in the ring. Nothing more can be said.

Brethitmanhart

SteKelly, come on, De La Hoya was the "good guy" in that fight but look at it properly after everything calmed down and you will see that Mayweather did beat De La Hoya and it should have been unanimous. Mayweather was hitting good accurate punches while De La Hoya was only connecting with Mayweathers arms.
I like both DLH and PBF and I think they are both in a different galaxy to Hatton.
DLH and PBF will go down in history as two of the greatest ever.
Hatton will not.

Roper

Too much being made about the referee in my opinion. In the first 2 or 3 rounds he was a bit too eager to jump in but I'd say he was under strict instructions to keep this as much of a spectacle and to keep the possibility of accidental clashes well off the radar. I'd say he was trying to impose himself early to let both lads know he wasn't going to take any sh1t. In any case it didn't matter because I thought Mayweather did much more clean work on the inside and had Hatton beaten there too. I thought the point deduction was harsh enough but Hatton had been warned about hitting to the back of the head in the previous round and Mayweather was caught in the ropes when he did it which made it seem worse I think.

PBF stuffed him every time with clever, professional clinchwork which might frustrate Hatton fans or those who wanted to see Hatton throw bombs moving forward but the reality is that Hatton didn't land a blow bar a jab in round 1 and a body shot or two. Floyd did his homework and stuffed him. I had to laugh at the Sky commentary: when they were being broken up early on they were giving out yards, once the referee stepped back and let them away it was clear that Hatton was being outboxed on the inside as well.

I was always convinced PBF was class but last night I saw that he can fight ugly too. People need to put the referee issue to bed and see the reality.

Punchy07

The hatton match was proof if ever it was needed that mayweathers no 1 p4p.1st round it looked like Hatton surprised him a bit and it seemed to shake him up but he came back after the 1st round break and totally adapted to Hatton's style.Up to round 6/7 it seemed like it was all firmly in the balance but looking back,it all just seemed to be part of Mayweathers master plan,he waited patiently for hatton to tire and when he put his hands up a fraction to late to block his head in round 8,Mayweather unleashed a string of clinical punches that brought on Hattons downfall.He has everything you need to be a world class boxer,the referee last nigh thas left many thinking Hatton may have done the job had another official been in charge but Hatton lost last night based on talent alone.Mayweathers a fantastic boxer and I hope to see him fight again soon

royboy27

mayweatheather was a class act but the weight,ring size and ref were all in his favour

walshb

Two things:
Either I severely overrated Ricky or I underrated PBF

I honestly believe I overrated Ricky.

PBF fought a great fight and was simply too good in every department,
including inside fighting. Hatton had no real spark in there. He also seemd
really really nervous, and not just the normal nerves. He was IMO a little
scared and lacked confidence

Regarding the ref:
Did anyone notice Billy Graham kind of lecturing the ref
on how he wanted Ricky to be give a fair crack of the whip and allowed
fight his fight. That was wrong of hi to do that and all it did was to get the
refs back up. You don't ever try and influence a referee. It will only make the ref
more determined to 'screw' you......

Either way, Hatton was never going to beat PBF....

I got it very wrong and now I can't see where Hatton can go.
The Oscar fight won't have the interest due to Hatton being beaten
so convincingly and I originally thought at 147 Hatton would be too good.
Oscar I think is too big and strong and talented.

Hatton came in at 145lbs and was definitely not big enough for Welter.
PBF came in right on the button and in the top flight every ounce makes a difference.
Hatton wasn't ready truly to beat a top welter....

jayroyal

walshb wrote: »

Two things:
Either I severely overrated Ricky or I underrated PBF

I honestly believe I overrated Ricky.

PBF fought a great fight and was simply too good in every department,
including inside fighting. Hatton had no real spark in there. He also seemd
really really nervous, and not just the normal nerves. He was IMO a little
scared and lacked confidence

Regarding the ref:
Did anyone notice Billy Graham kind of lecturing the ref
on how he wanted Ricky to be give a fair crack of the whip and allowed
fight his fight. That was wrong of hi to do that and all it did was to get the
refs back up. You don't ever try and influence a referee. It will only make the ref
more determined to 'screw' you......

Either way, Hatton was never going to beat PBF....

I got it very wrong and now I can't see where Hatton can go.
The Oscar fight won't have the interest due to Hatton being beaten
so convincingly and I originally thought at 147 Hatton would be too good.
Oscar I think is too big and strong and talented.

Hatton came in at 145lbs and was definitely not big enough for Welter.
PBF came in right on the button and in the top flight every ounce makes a difference.
Hatton wasn't ready truly to beat a top welter....

you'll never give him credit no matter who he beats will you :eek:

zAbbo

Bernard Hopkins wrote: »

apologies ,.didnt even think about that.

personally,...... if i was waiting for the replay and didnt want to know the result, the last place i would be going was a boxing forum. thats pure common sense.

its a stupid rule,....... if you dont want to know the result , then dont go to the boxing sites/forums.
its crazy to think everybody should hold back just in case there's somebody waiting for the replay.

go to any boxing forums on the net and you'll not find a rule like that ....

but thats just my opinion , the rules are the rules here , and I am guilty of that then i suppose. so apologies from me.

The thread title appeared on the homepage of boards...

walshb

jayroyal wrote: »

you'll never give him credit no matter who he beats will you :eek:

Did you read my post at all...?

I did give him credit...

I just wasn't impressed at all by Hatton

He was of no real threat to PBF...

PBF did what he had to and closed
the show...

I detailed my view on another thread....