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Waldorfs new Synth released

  • 07-12-2007 11:22pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭


    The Waldorf Blofeld (yes yes, bond villian gag etc...) has finally been released and it is absoultely stunning.

    112756.jpg

    blofeld_flokati_600px.jpg

    24 voice polyphony, 3 OSC VA and wavetable synthesis, 2 multi-mode filters per patch, decent effects etc... (not to mention the best screen ever seen on a synth - White LCD no less).

    You can look up the specs yourself, but this thing is incredibly capable. Take one of the more esoteric patches - the replica of the pre-WWII "synthesiser" the novachord - and have a listen (this is BARE blofeld, no outboard FX or compression, just a line in from the synth; if you don't have studio monitors or decent speakers hooked up then don't bother).

    http://www.synthmusic.info/mp3s/blovachord.mp3

    Not many demo mp3s of it out at the moment, but this is far more exciting synth development then the likes of Korg's RADIAS - especially seeing an almost defunct synth manufcturer back in business.

    Priced just under 400 euro - thomann are expecting to be able to ship in a weeks time.

    http://www.thomann.de/ie/waldorf_blofeld.htm

    Blofeldspecs.gif


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭jimi_t




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭Gaspode


    What do you do with it though?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Rustar


    deswalsh wrote:
    What do you do with it though?



    WALDORF BLOFELD WALDORF Blofeld, Desktop-Synthesizer, up to 50 Voices, 16times Multimode, 1000 Sounds, 100 Multi-Programs, 5 Endless Knobs, 5 Buttons, graphical Display, Arpeggiator, Effects, MQ-Sounds usable, Stereo-Out, Headphone-Out, MIDI In, USB 2.0 Connection, Alu-Knobs, external Power Supply


    Use a key controller. It's basically the new version of an old Roland Sound Module that uses new technology to make old vintage sounds...errr.... now I'm confused. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭jimi_t


    Heh, you hook up a sequencer or keyboard into the MIDI in :D

    The exciting thing about this is asides from the price point, lovely interface and screen, form format and size (and the unbelievable warmth of sound from it) it is one of very few synthesisers (and the sole contemporary synth) to utilise Wavetables along with normal VA Oscs. If you don't know what that means, well... go buy yourself another Cymbal :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    noyce:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭Gaspode


    jimi_t wrote: »
    Heh, you hook up a sequencer or keyboard into the MIDI in :D

    The exciting thing about this is asides from the price point, lovely interface and screen, form format and size (and the unbelievable warmth of sound from it) it is one of very few synthesisers (and the sole contemporary synth) to utilise Wavetables along with normal VA Oscs. If you don't know what that means, well... go buy yourself another Cymbal :p

    Cymbal?:confused:
    Seriously though, I havent much of a clue about synths and electronic stuff at all. I couldnt figure out what use the unit was with no keyboard or other visible interface.
    So basically this thing makes tones that you can modify to create new 'sounds' (dont want to get into terminology too much here!) for a keyboard?
    I have an old Korg X5 that I use to muck about with a long time ago, and there was a certain amount of twiddling about you could do with tone. I guess this new unit is the suoperdeyduper modern version of something like that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭jimi_t


    deswalsh wrote: »
    Cymbal?:confused:
    Seriously though, I havent much of a clue about synths and electronic stuff at all. I couldnt figure out what use the unit was with no keyboard or other visible interface.
    So basically this thing makes tones that you can modify to create new 'sounds' (dont want to get into terminology too much here!) for a keyboard?
    I have an old Korg X5 that I use to muck about with a long time ago, and there was a certain amount of twiddling about you could do with tone. I guess this new unit is the suoperdeyduper modern version of something like that?

    Right...

    In the beginning, there was the likes of these - MODULAR synths

    MoogCropHalf.jpg

    Each unit had its own specific function and could be patched in a number of ways (hence all the cords hanging off it). This is known as ANALOG synthesis -
    Analog synthesisers work by manipulating electrical signals which are perceived as sound when processed by audio amplifiers. These tones are generated by a signal through a series of oscillators and filters in an analog circuit

    So as you says it modifies "tones" so you can make new sounds - in that it layers the basic waveforms (Sine wave, Square wave, Triangle, Saw etc...) on top of each other, puts them through LFOs (low frequency oscillators), filters etc... in an attempt to create new sounds.

    Then there were these - SEMI-MODULAR synths

    ms-20_2.jpg

    Which in essence, are a limited version of the above - with less routing and modulation options as some of the units are hardwired

    These kind of synths were generally only 1 voice - i.e. one note at a time. The blofeld digitally emulates these synths, but in a 24 voice configuration (take the first pic and add another 440 units :eek: ) and with more advanced routing and filter options (including advents like an Arpeggiator, onboard FX etc...). This digital emulation of such synthesisers is known as VA synthesis or "Virtual Analog" - i.e. digitially reproducing analog circuits. Of course, a huge amount of the warmth and charm of pure analog gear is lost this way - but improvements in DSP, especially in the filter sections, is bridging this gap.

    Now a lot of synths out since the Roland JP-8000 (or whatever the first VA was) have done this job to varying degrees of success and with different features - what makes this different is that, asides from doing the job of a VA synth in a very impressive manner, it also inculdes a form of synthesis called WAVETABLE synthesis. As wikipedia puts it
    Wavetable synthesis is a technique used in certain digital music synthesizers to produce natural tone-like sounds. The sound of an existing instrument (a single note) is sampled and parsed into a sequence of circular tables of samples or wavetables, each having one period or cycle per table. A set of wavetables with user specified harmonic content can also be generated mathematically. Upon playback, these wavetables are used to fetch samples (table-lookup) in the same manner as in a numerically-controlled oscillator to produce a waveform. However, in wavetable synthesis, the output waveform is not normally static and evolves slowly in time as one wavetable is mixed with another, creating a changing waveform. Looping occurs when the wavetable evolution is halted, slowed, or reversed in time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_analog
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavetable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭tibor


    Why does anybody still use hardware synths, let alone get excited about them?
    What can this do that I can't with either Reason or Reaktor?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    tibor wrote: »
    Why does anybody still use hardware synths, let alone get excited about them?
    What can this do that I can't with either Reason or Reaktor?

    I find there's something more satisfying about using a physical piece of kit rather than a bit of computer software.

    Also, there will always be elements of analog sound that a CPU just cant replicate, sort of like the difference between tube amps and transistor amps, or vinyl and CDs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Ignore all the above and download synth1 and a few filter plug-ins all for free. ;)

    Mike.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    btw for anyone with a bit of German, there's a youtube review here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqmNOXLtn4E (part1)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gyqkdPeG94 (part2)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭jimi_t


    mike65 wrote: »
    Ignore all the above and download synth1 and a few filter plug-ins all for free. ;)

    Mike.

    Not a wavetable synth, lacking drive curves etc...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭jimi_t


    tibor wrote: »
    Why does anybody still use hardware synths, let alone get excited about them?
    What can this do that I can't with either Reason or Reaktor?

    It can't do anything that you couldn't replicate in Reason or Reaktor, but it trumps them in terms of portability, stability, sound/warmth, interface...

    I'm afraid its just one of those things - either you get it or you don't.

    The best test is to give someone a 909, a 303 and one or two other bits of outboard, then give another person a laptop with Cubase, Reason, Reaktor, Ableton etc... Get them to swap after an hour

    Come back in 2 hours and ask them which setup was more intuitive, productive and fun :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Not a wavetable synth, lacking drive curves etc...

    Okay Absynth then.

    Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭Gaspode


    tibor wrote: »
    Why does anybody still use hardware synths, let alone get excited about them?
    What can this do that I can't with either Reason or Reaktor?

    I suppose its the same reason some people prefer effects pedals and good amplifiers rather than using software to model the sound they want. Some people just like the feel and sound of a physical instrument rather than software. I know a lot of people who've traded in most of their guitar amps, cabs, effects etc for pods and similar boxes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭cornbb


    mike65 wrote: »
    Okay Absynth then.

    Mike.

    There's nothing like the weight, feel, even the smell of a physical bit of kit to get the creative juices flowing ;) Turning a knob with a mouse pointer just doesn't have the same effect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Rustar


    cornbb wrote:
    Turning a knob with a mouse pointer just doesn't have the same effect.

    It's also a wee bit tougher to do live. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭kawaii


    cornbb wrote: »
    Turning a knob with a mouse pointer just doesn't have the same effect.

    Must say I agree with this. It's similar to downloading music as opposed to buying cd's...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭tibor


    deswalsh wrote: »
    I suppose its the same reason some people prefer effects pedals and good amplifiers rather than using software to model the sound they want. Some people just like the feel and sound of a physical instrument rather than software. I know a lot of people who've traded in most of their guitar amps, cabs, effects etc for pods and similar boxes.

    You can use the same MIDI keyboard controller to run Reason/Reaktor as any analogue synth, and map your control knobs as you want them.

    The amp analagy is bollocks. Tube amps actually route their signal through physical vacuum tubes, analgue synths are just circuit boards. A more valid analagy would be pods etc vs a solid state amp.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭OctavarIan


    tibor wrote: »
    You can use the same MIDI keyboard controller to run Reason/Reaktor as any analogue synth, and map your control knobs as you want them.

    With Reason you could only achieve that if you had everything set up exactly how you're playing it beforehand. Else you would have to stop and click every so often. Maybe Reason 4 is improved this somehow, but I know for fact (since I have a midi controller set up with reason 3 myself at home) that Reason cannot function like hardware patch banks/synths. It doesn't have everything open to you with a few twists of knobs, and it's counter-intuitive when jamming anything with other people. It's ok if you're at home and can afford to stop every so often, but for everything else it's severly limited.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭jimi_t


    tibor wrote: »

    The amp analagy is bollocks. Tube amps actually route their signal through physical vacuum tubes, analgue synths are just circuit boards.

    Wrong.

    Read up on the DCO (Digital Oscillator) versus VCO (Voltage Controllet Oscillator) and similar. A little refresher course on discrete analog components, the difference using germanium transistors to contemporary ones have in circuits (and the relevance to sound reproduction) etc... would also come in useful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭tibor


    jimi_t wrote: »
    Wrong.

    Read up on the DCO (Digital Oscillator) versus VCO (Voltage Controllet Oscillator) and similar. A little refresher course on discrete analog components, the difference using germanium transistors to contemporary ones have in circuits (and the relevance to sound reproduction) etc... would also come in useful.

    http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/Synthesizers/Minisonic2/VCO_testing.gif
    http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/pic/photo_cgs48_vco.jpg
    http://www.atlantacomms.co.uk/m256/d2000-synth.gif

    Look like circuit boards to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭cornbb


    tibor wrote: »

    Er, whats your point? What have you got against circuits? Tubes are part of a circuit board too. Sure, they sound great but they are not the zenith of good tone. Certain amp manufacturers have been known to install glowing tubes behind a grille without actually putting them into the signal path, just so that product has that "Wow, its got tubes!" factor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭Gaspode


    tibor wrote: »


    The amp analagy is bollocks.

    Thats me told then eh.
    I cant see what you point was - you didnt like the analogy or you disagree with my post.

    either way your own anology seems little better as you've missed the point of what I was saying. I simply pointe out that some people prefer to use software to get an instrument sound, others prefer to use instruments (amps included). Whether tube amps or solid state amps are used is neither here nor there that. They are physical items that need to be manually tweaked, whereas software is adjusted using a mouse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭jimi_t


    tibor wrote: »

    And whats your point? No offence, but I think you're verging from your own area of expertise - your original quote was
    The amp analagy is bollocks. Tube amps actually route their signal through physical vacuum tubes, analgue synths are just circuit boards. A more valid analagy would be pods etc vs a solid state amp.

    Complete the sentence

    Tube Amps are prized over solid state amps because they use discrete analog components in their circuit path, resulting in a far warmer and richer sound.

    Analogue Synths are prized over digital/softsynths because _______________
    ______________________________________________________________.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭Thomas_S_Hunterson


    Well anyone ordered/got one of these yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭cornbb


    Sean_K wrote: »
    Well anyone ordered/got one of these yet?

    Nope! But speaking of synths and squabbling over analogue vs. digital, I'm planning on building my own analogue synth soon. I'll probably stick a diary of the building process here or elsewhere on boards so watch this space...


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