Its wrong to profit from the VRT changes at the expense of the Environment

EternalSunshine

Does anyone else have the opinion that to try to profit from the changes to the VRT and Tax pre July by buying a more polluting car before the changes take place is wrong

To me its akin to discarding your contents of your car ashtray on the street the day before its becomes illegal.

L1011

As opposed to waiting until July to get a new car to benefit from "green" benefits, despite the massive impact of making the damn car in the first place?

Celticfire

EternalSunshine wrote: »

Does anyone else have the opinion that to try to profit from the changes to the VRT and Tax pre July by buying a more polluting car before the changes take place is wrong

To me its akin to discarding your contents of your car ashtray on the street the day before its becomes illegal.

Define "pollution"

gn3dr

EternalSunshine wrote: »

Does anyone else have the opinion that to try to profit from the changes to the VRT and Tax pre July by buying a more polluting car before the changes take place is wrong

To me its akin to discarding your contents of your car ashtray on the street the day before its becomes illegal.

Define "profit"
Can't see how you could call anything a profit after paying VRT. Illegal anti EU tax.

astraboy

EternalSunshine wrote: »

Does anyone else have the opinion that to try to profit from the changes to the VRT and Tax pre July by buying a more polluting car before the changes take place is wrong

To me its akin to discarding your contents of your car ashtray on the street the day before its becomes illegal.

O pipe down. Are you trolling? Seriously, we pay high road tax anyway, why should someone feel guilty by buying a particular car now and not having to may MORE tax over the cars lifetime. Maybe the person worked hard to save for the car and want to enjoy their money their way. Get off your high horse. I suppose you think the Toyota Prius is highly environmentally friendly too.

Go protest with the rest of the whackos about shell to sea or something.

cantdecide

eternalsunshine, if you believe that changing the illegal/ immoral VRT, on top of a serious hike in road tax, including the fuel duties and VAT are going to make anything RESEMBLING a change to the environment, you are deeply naive and easily bamboozled.

Anyone can prove with a calculator that it's not an environment tax hike, it's just a tax hike. Usage is the key to reducing emmisions. I have a 2.8 that doesn't move from my driveway most of the time and a 40k km school-run mobile is the actual polluter.

I've said this a thousand times, we are an Island nation with a dispersed population and a fleet of small and diesel cars without a public transport alternative.

The "guzzlers" only guzzle marginally more than the frugal ones (do some research) so they are solving a problem that doesn't exist on a pious mission to use the environment to strip more revenue from the already over burdoned Irish motorist.

E92

this thread is trolling of the highest order and is the most pointless thread ever.

siralfalot

EternalSunshine wrote: »

Does anyone else have the opinion that to try to profit from the changes to the VRT and Tax pre July by buying a more polluting car before the changes take place is wrong

I think I can sum the answer to this up in one word

NO

Seth Brundle

gn3dr wrote: »

Define "profit"
Can't see how you could call anything a profit after paying VRT. Illegal anti EU tax.

It is anti-EU but it is not illegal!

unkel

EternalSunshine wrote: »

buying a more polluting car before the changes take place is wrong

People do whatever they can get away with. Human nature!

Of course, Gormley could have avoided all this by taxing at the pump only. Anybody buying a big guzzler or driving interstellar miles will pay dearly for it and rightly so...

Seth Brundle

unkel wrote: »

Of course, Gormley could have avoided all this by taxing at the pump only. Anybody buying a big guzzler or driving interstellar miles will pay dearly for it and rightly so...

And well he knows that this is the fairest policy and most likely to have an impact. So why didn't our green minister take this route?

galwaytt

Perhaps what you meant, really, was:

EternalSunshine wrote: »

Does anyone else have the opinion that to try to protect themselves from being ripped off by the tax changes pre July by buying a used car before the changes take place is prudent?

To me its akin to giving up smoking to protect your wellbeing and society's by giving up smoking, before its becomes illegal.

If that's what you meant, the answer is yes.

If the original post question is correct.........NO.

laughin'joe

All this talk of hikes and yet no protests if this was France (and before we get the clowns saying "well it's not" relax I said "if this was") the likes of O'Connell street would be on fire as we speak, typical Irish complian! complain! and do noting about it and just moan and blame other people...who put these shower of muck balls in power oh! yeah it was us the Irish people.....although I didn't vote them in I dispise Bertie and his bunch of criminals, we had "The Tiger Gang" who robbed ATM Cash Vans now we have a "tiger goverment" who robs the people while smiling in their faces...how nice!!!

cantdecide

We all know that we can only have one government at a time. FF has made us a wealthy and prosperous country, all things considered, but it's at the expense of victimising motorists which is deeply unethical given the current state of affairs in Irish transport because of they're procrastination. It's the most used phrase for FF, all stick and no carrot.

We shouldn't vote out our most successful government for this reason alone. I agree though, as victimised Irish motorists, we should demonstrate that until they give us an alternative, they should not force us be stripped on the back of solving a made-up problem, where the solution only benefits the ailing public finances (sorry for repeating myself).

Tax coming out the yingyang, hasn't stopped people causing the "gas-guzzler problem" (!) to begin with. Seemingly, if they were really concerned about the environment, they'd have to barricade up the main dealers because one of the consequences of being successful in a successful economy is that you will not want a 1.4td fiesta any more.

blackbox

AAAAGRHH!

This tax isn't about pollution.

This tax is encouraging people to use diesel cars because they produce less CO2.

CO2 is about the least harmful thing that comes out of a car's exhaust. Particulates from Diesels are carcinogenic. (and yes, I know some Diesels have particulate filters, but that's not covered by this tax.)

This tax is about as sensible as banning incandescent light bulbs.

cashmni1

At the risk of repeating, yes I ageree that FF has made (some) people wealthy but the nation as a whole is better off than say, 15 years ago. And yes it is a cost to the nation that we have to pay high taxes for "luxury" items i.e. cars over 2.5 or a 3 ltr. However, I think that this (in my book) illegal tav of VRT and silly co2 emmissions fix, that they are presenting to us, the overburdened tax payer (espically paye), is unbeliveable when we have no real transport system to speak of.
Give me cheap reliable, dependable and on time public transport and I WILL use it. I will not however get out of bed 2 hours before normal to get a mixture of busses that might or might not turn up on time. (Busses or trains or whatever). The whole thing is a joke.
Just hit the motorist again. Discrace really!!