Beat the bastards to it - the cars you need before July 08

galwaytt

911 3.2
964
993
968
RX-8
Skyline(s)
Z350
TT

Get saving, guys......get them before they get you

colm_mcm

I suppose, the money is just lying there.....

bazz26

Maybe though if you can afford to buy these type of cars in the first place you really don't give a toss what changes on the 1st July?

galwaytt

bazz26 wrote: »

Maybe though if you can afford to buy these type of cars in the first place you really don't give a toss what changes on the 1st July?

maybe you have no objection to handing over cash to a bunch of brown-envelope grabbing power hungry phonies, but I do. I have a 968, and I paid less than the price of a (used) Focus for it, so your problem is, what, exactly ? The Taste Police?

colm_mcm

And forget buying one in January with the intention of selling it in the Autumn for a profit. Dealers will proably pre-reg a load of cars with the same intention!

galwaytt

Ha - good one. But you should know, right ?

bazz26

galwaytt wrote: »

maybe you have no objection to handing over cash to a bunch of brown-envelope grabbing power hungry phonies, but I do. I have a 968, and I paid less than the price of a (used) Focus for it, so your problem is, what, exactly ? The Taste Police?

Relax mate, I wasn't refering to you personally.

Maybe I took up your original post wrong but I was talking in general terms about people who can afford to buy these type of cars new probably aren't put out too much by what happens in July.

Mr.Boots

Just how much are the listed cars increasing to???

maidhc

Mr.Boots wrote: »

Just how much are the listed cars increasing to???

Nothing I think since they are definately not new. Old rules will apply.

galwaytt

maidhc wrote: »

Nothing I think since they are definately not new. Old rules will apply.

They will increase to 2k/year tax after July 08.

Evil_Clown

I was thinking there that maybe second hand high emission cars where the old tax rate will apply will really be worth money in a few years
with all these energiser bunnies flooding the market
Go gas guzzlers

EternalSunshine

Yep your grandkids will cheers u for polluting the environment.

siralfalot

so in say 2 years time, a 07 Impreza will be worth more than a 08 Impreza

pre 08 performance cars appreciating in value??? :D

feck it

principles must be upheld.

how about this little 8.85 litre runabout, complete with side exhausts, from vette magazine - idling out front around election time when the windmill enthusiasts come knocking ...



Car: '69 Corvette Coupe
Owner: Andy Felton
Block: Donovan D500 aluminum
Pistons: Mahle forged
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Crankshaft: Callies 4340 Dragonslayer
Rods: Eagle 4340 3D steel
Displacement: 540 ci
Heads: Dart Pro1 aluminum, 325 cc
Valves: 2.30/1.88-in severe-duty stainless
Camshaft: Comp custom street roller
Rocker Arms: Comp Pro Magnum, 1.7 ratio
Intake Manifold: Stock L88
Carburetor: BG Mighty Demon
Ignition: MSD Pro-Billet distributor, Blaster coil, & 6AL control
Exhaust System: 211/48-in Hooker headers, 4-in side pipes
Transmission: Tremec TKO five-speed
Clutch: McLeod Street Twin
Suspension: Tubular A-arms, composite mono springs, Bilstein shocks
RearEnd: Stock w/3.73 gears
Brakes: Stock four-wheel discs
Front Wheels: Intro Pentia 18x10
Rear Wheels: Intro Pentia 18x12
Front Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 275/35-18
Rear Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport 335/30-18
Output (Flywheel): 713 hp @ 6,100 rpm, 589 lb-ft @ 4,600

Evil_Clown

EternalSunshine wrote: »

Yep your grandkids will cheers u for polluting the environment.

Just like i'm still mad at my grandparents for the hole in the ozone layer

peasant

Evil_Clown wrote: »

I was thinking there that maybe second hand high emission cars where the old tax rate will apply will really be worth money in a few years
with all these energiser bunnies flooding the market
Go gas guzzlers

I wouldn't be so sure about it ....


What's keeping the govmint from raising the old/current motor tax rate for anything above say 1600 cc year after year until your 2 liter car cost 2000 Euro as well and your 3 liter requires limb amputation ?

Cyrus

im looking at a boxster s/350z or e46 m3, will def be doing it pre july with the upside being itll prob appreciate in value a little

Evil_Clown

peasant wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about it ....


What's keeping the govmint from raising the old/current motor tax rate for anything above say 1600 cc year after year until your 2 liter car cost 2000 Euro as well and your 3 liter requires limb amputation ?

Getting the Greens out of it

Lex Luthor

its all too confusing with all these new VRT/Tax rates....

can anyone simplify it a little?

TomMc

Lex Luthor wrote: »

its all too confusing with all these new VRT/Tax rates....

can anyone simplify it a little?

Buy/register a petrol between now and July 08, diesel only from then onwards or your ....

astraboy

EternalSunshine wrote: »

Yep your grandkids will cheers u for polluting the environment.

Get off your high horse. My grandkids will thank me for keeping some of the fun in life, driving an enjoyable car, alive. Go spout from your soapbox somewhere else hippy.

RobAMerc

bazz26 wrote: »

Maybe though if you can afford to buy these type of cars in the first place you really don't give a toss what changes on the 1st July?

I hate this attitude - its typical Irish begrudgery, "uh if you can afford to buy a 3 litre car then you can afford to run it."

Just because I would rather have a 20 year old 911, than bore myself to death every time I drive a Toyota Fridge magnet doesn't mean I can afford to pay 2k per annum road tax for the odd time I do use it.

bazz26

RobAMerc wrote: »

I hate this attitude - its typical Irish begrudgery, "uh if you can afford to buy a 3 litre car then you can afford to run it."

Just because I would rather have a 20 year old 911, than bore myself to death every time I drive a Toyota Fridge magnet doesn't mean I can afford to pay 2k per annum road tax for the odd time I do use it.

Read my later response. You have taken me up wrong.

What I was saying is that to alot of poeple who buy these expensive cars brand new simply may not be too interested in what happens next July. These high end cars will more than likely still be bought by the same people. The running costs are immaterial to most of these people. Second hand ones are a different matter.

PS I could not care less whether anyone drives a fridge, exotic car, bus, whatever for that matter. And I certainly don't feel the need for it to be the eleviation of bordom in my life. A car simply isn't the centre of my world.

Mitch Connor

RobAMerc wrote: »

I hate this attitude - its typical Irish begrudgery, "uh if you can afford to buy a 3 litre car then you can afford to run it."

Just because I would rather have a 20 year old 911, than bore myself to death every time I drive a Toyota Fridge magnet doesn't mean I can afford to pay 2k per annum road tax for the odd time I do use it.

isn't the tax you pay on your 20yo 911 going to stay the same? or close enough to it? (11.5% increase max?)

Traumadoc

I drive a 2005bmw 530 d ( emmissions 170 g )my tax will be 1200 euro so I will be able to buy a MORE polluting car in 2008 and pay less tax. FUBAR

RobAMerc

bazz26 wrote: »

Read my later response. You have taken me up wrong.

No - I dont think I did.
Even if I could afford 200k for a 911 - I still would have major issue with paying 2k for using it on our roads - and would never buy a car without seriously considering the running costs. Rich people aren't rich because the p*ss their cash away.
Your statement still smacks of begrudgery.

bazz26 wrote: »

PS I could not care less whether anyone drives a fridge, exotic car, bus, whatever for that matter. And I certainly don't feel the need for it to be the eleviation of bordom in my life. A car simply isn't the centre of my world.

I am missing your point here - what is it ?

Tauren wrote: »

isn't the tax you pay on your 20yo 911 going to stay the same? or close enough to it? (11.5% increase max?)

Yea - but its still close enough to 2k - but people will still say "if you can afford to buy a Porsche then you can afford to run it." - It simply isn't always true.

SEPT 23 1989

Why Must One Minority Section Of Society Keep Telling The Majority How They Must Conduct Their Lives What Gives Them The Right?

The Pubs Have Been Killed Off,smokers Are Treated Like Leppers And Now These Bed Wetting Middle Class Irish Times Reading Lefty Pinko's Who Would Not Have The Balls To Get Behind The Wheel Of A Gas Guzzler Are Trying To Bully And Shame People Out Of Owning And Running A Nice Car

We All Dont Want To Cycle A Bike In Our Sandles Taking Shots Of
Wheet Grass Juice Be-moaning The Failures Of The Lower Classes

As Another Poster Said Will Our Grandchildren Thank Us When The Fun Chance And Risk Has Been Sucked Dry From Our Lives

JHMEG

RobAMerc wrote: »

Just because I would rather have a 20 year old 911, than bore myself to death every time I drive a Toyota Fridge magnet

Some people are happy with their Toyota fridge magnets as you call them. I presume you are dragging other cars down in an effort to make your own look better?

Can't people big up their car on the merits of the car itself? Why bring other cars that have clearly different purposes into it?

Mitch Connor

RobAMerc wrote: »

Yea - but its still close enough to 2k - but people will still say "if you can afford to buy a Porsche then you can afford to run it." - It simply isn't always true.

But why buy a car you can't afford to run?

I wanted to buy a new (well, second hand car) in september - but when i did the sums it turned out it would be a bit of a squeeze to pay for it; i couldn't quite afford it, so i did not buy it.

I simply don't get why you would buy, and keep a car you can't afford. Has the tax increased that much since you bought it? Not having a go, a genuine question.

bazz26

RobAMerc wrote: »

Your statement still smacks of begrudgery.

Sorry but it was not my intention. I hate paying through my teeth for the privilage of driving the same as the next person.

RobAMerc wrote: »

I am missing your point here - what is it ?

Sounds like you were having a little go at people who drive cars that appear ordinary or mundane to yourself but maybe not to others. Did I take you up wrong?

RobAMerc

JHMEG wrote: »

Some people are happy with their Toyota fridge magnets as you call them. I presume you are dragging other cars down in an effort to make your own look better?

Can't people big up their car on the merits of the car itself? Why bring other cars that have clearly different purposes into it?

I don't need to make any car look crap to make mine look better, remember we are on a motoring forum where posters are presumed to be enthusiasts,(And anyone who was would take a porsche compared to any toyota) my point is just because I don't want to drive the newest but mundane car available doesn't mean I should pay through the nose for it.

Tauren wrote: »

But why buy a car you can't afford to run?

I wanted to buy a new (well, second hand car) in September - but when i did the sums it turned out it would be a bit of a squeeze to pay for it; i couldn't quite afford it, so i did not buy it.

I simply don't get why you would buy, and keep a car you can't afford. Has the tax increased that much since you bought it? Not having a go, a genuine question.

I don't own a 911 by the way - but if I did would it be fair I paid almost 2k per annum to keep it on the road? circumstances change (increasing costs), big engined cars are not an easy car to sell maybe I couldn't afford to buy something else? maybe I miscalculated the actual costs of ownership. my point is statements like - "if you can afford to ......" are not always true and are generally tossed out by begrudging people jealous of others.

bazz26 wrote: »

Sorry but it was not my intention. I hate paying through my teeth for the privilage of driving the same as the next person.
Sounds like you were having a little go at people who drive cars that appear ordinary or mundane to yourself but maybe not to others. Did I take you up wrong?

Sorry, no I wasn't, I was saying that just because I would rather drive a car I want to have rather than something I did not does not mean I can automatically afford to pay 2k per annum road tax compared to them.

TomMc

Bazz26, all the tax should be put on fuel only so whoever drives the greatest distances and in the highest polluting vehicles pay the most. Scrap road tax and vrt. The new system is typical of Gormley and his green bandits - it is wishy-washy.

Have a look at UK rates and weep

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

maidhc

TomMc wrote: »

Bazz26, all the tax should be put on fuel only so whoever drives the greatest distances and in the highest polluting vehicles pay the most. Scrap road tax and vrt. The new system is typical of Gormley and his green bandits - it is wishy-washy.

Have a look at UK rates and weep

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

So the D4 people could have nice 5L Mercs for practically nothing while everyone else in the country pays though their noses for transport, most likely all driving 1.0 Seicentos? Driving in Ireland is still relatively cheap, and that is a good thing for most people.

What we have here is a tax. If someone can afford to buy a 200k car then, it seems fair enough to tax them for it (in the same way it is fair to tax high earners at 40% or levy CGT on gains people make on shares on investment property). I'm not saying I agree with the tax, but it has some grounding in reality.

TomMc

Running a car is still cheap in Ireland, really?:eek: - Have you been on the funny fags again.

People in D4 have exotic cars already if they like them. Who cares, if people are wealthy - it might just be the fruit of their merit, and not for the great unwashed to begrudge them.

Most people in Ireland are the average Joe & Mary and so making interesting cars prohibitively expensive, is not the way forward. A proper transport system is.

MuffinsDa

maidhc wrote: »

So the D4 people could have nice 5L Mercs for practically nothing while everyone else in the country pays though their noses for transport, most likely all driving 1.0 Seicentos? Driving in Ireland is still relatively cheap, and that is a good thing for most people.

What we have here is a tax. If someone can afford to buy a 200k car then, it seems fair enough to tax them for it (in the same way it is fair to tax high earners at 40% or levy CGT on gains people make on shares on investment property). I'm not saying I agree with the tax, but it has some grounding in reality.

Well you seem to be totally blinded by your begrudgery of D4 people and don't understand the simple logic various posters are putting forward.

Yes, the D4 people, as well those in Cork, Monaghan, and Ballywhateverfeck, should have their 5L Mercedes or BMW or Jaguar for cheap if they only drive it 2000Km per year. They won't pollute the air remotely as much as the guy in Ciquecento that drives 30000Km per year, so why should they subsidise him? Just because they are reach they should be ripped off? What's the logic in that? Is this supposed to be punish-the-rich or punish-the-car-enthusiast tax!?

The whole point of proposals on putting a fuel levy is that it's the only fair (polluter pays!) measure! This way whoever burns more petrol -and therfore emits more CO2- pays more! Why is it so hard to comprehend?

TomMc

Maidhc, Your argument does not wash as (the new July '08 onwards) road tax makes no allowance for the difference between an ordinary person who can just about afford a moderately economical 30k 2L petrol car and a gas guzzling 200k 5L one.

People should (and do) get taxed on their income, and not because they have an appreciation of automotive engineering and driving finesse.

RobAMerc

TomMc wrote: »

People should (and do) get taxed on their income, and not because they have an appreciation of automotive engineering and driving finesse.

People do get taxed on their income - its called income tax - road tax should be based on the amount you use the road - not whether or not you can afford it!

blackbox

bazz26 wrote: »

PS I could not care less whether anyone drives a fridge, exotic car, bus, whatever for that matter. And I certainly don't feel the need for it to be the eleviation of bordom in my life. A car simply isn't the centre of my world.

Can't imagine why you are looking at this forum then...

JHMEG

RobAMerc wrote: »

I don't need to make any car look crap to make mine look better, remember we are on a motoring forum where posters are presumed to be enthusiasts,(And anyone who was would take a porsche compared to any toyota) my point is just because I don't want to drive the newest but mundane car available doesn't mean I should pay through the nose for it.

We're on a motoring forum, where the only presumtion is that no-one knows what they're talking about. Plenty of people here drive ordinary joe cars, and don't want or need a Porsche. You are implying these people are boring and that you are a cut above.

TomMc

RobAMerc wrote: »

People do get taxed on their income - its called income tax - road tax should be based on the amount you use the road - not whether or not you can afford it!

My point exactly.

I think true car enthusiasts (petrolheads) though, may have to invest in some petroleum jelly instead.

bazz26

blackbox wrote: »

Can't imagine why you are looking at this forum then...

Oh dear. :rolleyes:

There are different levels of enthusiasm or passion, just because I don't get a hard on everytime a Porsche passes up the road doesn't mean my enthusiasm for motoring is any less valid than anyone else.

And I also would not feel obliged in anyway to prove that level by the type of car I drive on an internet forum.

RobAMerc

I wrote...

RobAMerc wrote: »

we are on a motoring forum where posters are presumed to be enthusiasts,(And anyone who was would take a porsche compared to any toyota)

JHMEG wrote: »

Plenty of people here drive ordinary joe cars, and don't want or need a Porsche. You are implying these people are boring and that you are a cut above.

What ? How could you read that from what I said -

I will try again in plain English for you...

People who love cars would rather a Porsche than a Toyota - This has nothing to do with anyone being boring or mundane - it has nothing to do with me it has to do with cars.

maidhc

MuffinsDa wrote: »

Well you seem to be totally blinded by your begrudgery of D4 people and don't understand the simple logic various posters are putting forward.

Yes, the D4 people, as well those in Cork, Monaghan, and Ballywhateverfeck, should have their 5L Mercedes or BMW or Jaguar for cheap if they only drive it 2000Km per year. They won't pollute the air remotely as much as the guy in Ciquecento that drives 30000Km per year, so why should they subsidise him? Just because they are reach they should be ripped off? What's the logic in that? Is this supposed to be punish-the-rich or punish-the-car-enthusiast tax!?

The Cinquento driver will pay a hell of a lot more tax as it is! Ultimately a 5L Merc is pointless. I love cars, but emotions aside, a owning 5L merc is a pointless as going on the lash on a saturday night. It is fun, but really does no one any good. We have a green government and people are being punished for owning them.

The good news though is that said 5L mercs will be worth even less secondhand now, so really it is swings and roundabouts for most mere mortals. Most tax is meant to punish the rich, and unfortunately due to the society we live in will increasingly punish the motorist!

JHMEG

RobAMerc wrote: »

I will try again in plain English for you...

Look, you referred to Toyotas as fridge magnets and said you are bored by them. And the manneer in which you said it implied Toyota owners and drivers who are happy with their cars are somehow not equal to you.

RobAMerc wrote: »

People who love cars would rather a Porsche than a Toyota

You are speaking for others now too. That's a helluva statement from someone who claims to be a car enthusiast. I would say that's one dimensional and lacking in depth.

RobAMerc

JHMEG wrote: »

Look, you referred to Toyotas as fridge magnets and said you are bored by them. And the manneer in which you said it implied Toyota owners and drivers who are happy with their cars are somehow not equal to you.

I wrote:
"Just because I would rather have a 20 year old 911, than bore myself to death every time I drive a Toyota Fridge magnet"

Where does that imply anything about anyone other than I would be bored to death by a Toyota -

This next statement how ever does...

You clearly drive a Toyota and have a major complex about it

JHMEG wrote: »

You are speaking for others now too. That's a helluva statement from someone who claims to be a car enthusiast. I would say that's one dimensional and lacking in depth.

this doesn't even justify a response

JHMEG

RobAMerc wrote: »

IYou clearly drive a Toyota and have a major complex about it

OMG here we go again. Still speaking for other people.. and still wrong. You must be the only person on this forum who doesn't know I drive a Honda.And that's despite my user name! Maybe you're not used to listening to others.

RobAMerc wrote: »

this doesn't even justify a response

Because there is none. You were caught out.

Dwilly

MuffinsDa wrote: »

The whole point of proposals on putting a fuel levy is that it's the only fair (polluter pays!) measure! This way whoever burns more petrol -and therfore emits more CO2- pays more! Why is it so hard to comprehend?

I totally agree but I can see why it wasn't implemented.

I imagine that the government really know that taxing fuel is the only real equitable way to come down on c02 but they know that it wouldn't work in practice.

Making a choice about your next car will always be a much more financially planned decision than going to the petrol station. Adding on 10p a litre would never have the same effect. With a bigger variation in car prices at the outset it's more of a conscious decision for the motorist and potentially will choose a lower emitting car.