Kevin Myers Constant Coverage of Muslims

SpAcEd OuT

Is it just me or does Kevin Myers seem to be on a crusade against muslims?

Thats 3 articles hes now written in a very short space of time on the matter.

flogen

I don't read his columns on a regular basis but when I do they tend to have some connection to Islam and the Muslim faith. He certainly seems quite obsessed with it but I'm not sure if he repeats himself so much because a) it gets the best reaction or b) no-one is paying attention and he thinks it's because they missed his piece rather than found it not worthy of a reaction.

My problem with him is that in his columns he is very extreme and hard-line but once he goes on a debate he takes a step back and pretends that he doesn't advocate the things he writes about (like banning all Muslims from Ireland), instead claiming that he just put it out there as he feels it should be discussed.

santosubito

Strange, I'll have to start reading him again. All I thought he wrote about was WW1.

constitutionus

i dont read myers but i wouldnt be surprised. he tends to go for issues the PC brigade avoid like the plague. i doubt its anything to do with muslims per se. if we had the same levels of imigration in regards to any other group he'd be banging on about them too. particularly considering how incompatible their creed is with irish life. i mean lets be honest , they think drink is evil. and dont get em started on the irish fry up

the media have a feirce habit of ignoring things they dont like to confront. particularly if it conflicts with the PC agenda. in a weird way theyre as fierce unthinking defenders of that ideal as the most fundementalist muslim nutter and his koran.

makes a nice change to be honest. the media really should be about debate and investigation , not uncompromising conformity. give myers a while . he'll find something else no one wants to talk about. the way things are going i reckon you'll see an article on legalising drugs soon

IT Loser

constitutionus wrote: »

i dont read myers but i wouldnt be surprised. he tends to go for issues the PC brigade avoid like the plague. i doubt its anything to do with muslims per se. if we had the same levels of imigration in regards to any other group he'd be banging on about them too. particularly considering how incompatible their creed is with irish life. i mean lets be honest , they think drink is evil. and dont get em started on the irish fry up

the media have a feirce habit of ignoring things they dont like to confront. particularly if it conflicts with the PC agenda. in a weird way theyre as fierce unthinking defenders of that ideal as the most fundementalist muslim nutter and his koran.

makes a nice change to be honest. the media really should be about debate and investigation , not uncompromising conformity. give myers a while . he'll find something else no one wants to talk about. the way things are going i reckon you'll see an article on legalising drugs soon

Well said Sir.

Meyers is far from the worst, and is actually quite cutting in his own special way. And, yes, lets face it.......I am quite sure if it went to a vote that 90% of this country would slap a ban on all Muslim immigration to this State. Theres no point in skating around it, right or wrong-they ain't wanted. And Meyers has the brains to see this and talk about it. I think the Citizenship Referendum showed that a lot of people out there could give two hoots about the popular multicultural agenda that is so hawkishly pursued by a lefty-dominated media.

Snickers Man

Constitutionus and IT Loser. I think you both need to read a few newspapers that were printed in the last decade. You seem to be fighting 20 year old battles.

PC. Lefty dominated media. Multiculturalist agenda.....you're like so-o-o-o 1980s, both of you.

IT Loser

Snickers Man wrote: »

Constitutionus and IT Loser. I think you both need to read a few newspapers that were printed in the last decade. You seem to be fighting 20 year old battles.

PC. Lefty dominated media. Multiculturalist agenda.....you're like so-o-o-o 1980s, both of you.

As a man in his 20's I can only read what is put in front of me today. I couldn't care less if the Newspapers of old were twice as red as the pinkos of today. I can only judge what is put in front of me now. And- an improvement is not a cure.

shepthedog

constitutionus wrote: »

the way things are going i reckon you'll see an article on legalising drugs soon

Funny you should mention that. Hes going to be on the Sunday Supplement with Sam Smith on Sunday on Today FM debating against Brian Lenihan, Justice Minister, on that very topic! Unsurprisingly hes for legalising all drugs..

Like him or love him he gets people talking and that I think is his aim. Hes the Jose Mourinho of the Irish media!

brianthebard

IT Loser wrote: »

Well said Sir.

Meyers is far from the worst, and is actually quite cutting in his own special way. And, yes, lets face it.......I am quite sure if it went to a vote that 90% of this country would slap a ban on all Muslim immigration to this State. Theres no point in skating around it, right or wrong-they ain't wanted.

And you know this because???

Múinteoir

When he was on the Late Late he kept on repeating how Bradford in England, the city he grew up in (yes, even he's an immigrant!) is now 60% Muslim. I wonder did he have some childhood trauma about it.

moe_sizlak

ive yet to disagree with anything kevin myers has written in relation to muslims
ive yet to agree with anything the same man has written in relation to 1916

isnt free speech wonderfull

lostexpectation

see newsnight last night, policy exhcnage this think tank in the uk had put out a report earlier in the year where they said they'd found that loads of islamic bookshops and mosques were selling extremist books, they had gotten receipts as proof, so newsnight journalist checked the receipts and saw that they been printed out on inkjet and some had the same handwriting.... so after the vid peice the posh git policy exchange guy comes on and says well we didn't just base it on the receipts it doesn't matter about the evidence the the report was 'true' it was carried all over the news it was successful report.. this is like myers it doens't matter about truth and evidence because what he says is 'true' because he said it.

eoin5

The man has very little credability imo, but he is good at stirring up sh1t and its usually stuff worth debating. That is not to say that we need someone like him to do this though.

Snickers Man

Múinteoir wrote: »

When he was on the Late Late he kept on repeating how Bradford in England, the city he grew up in (yes, even he's an immigrant!) is now 60% Muslim. I wonder did he have some childhood trauma about it.

He didn't grow up in Bradford, he grew up in Leicester, which is another city with a large Asian population. Lovers of comedy may remember Rowan Atkinson's supercilious git character in the student sketch on his wonderful "Live in Belfast" album.

Supercilious git"They give credit cards to students now, do they?"
Student"Yes."
Supercilious git"Well they gave Leicester to Pakistan so we shouldn't be surprised."


Having said which, Wikipedia quotes the 2001 UK Census for the ethnicity of the Leicester population.
63.8% White
29.9% S.Asian
3.1% Black
2.3% Mixed
0.8% Chinese.

Assuming that ALL South Asians are Muslim, and that's almost certainly wrong, if Myers said the town of his youth is 60% Muslim then he's inaccurate by the slim margin of 100%. If that's not a de facto lie, I don't know what is.

Let's say he really did mean Bradford
The statistics for the city of Bradford are:
78.3% White
18.9% S.Asian
1.0% Black British
0.2% Chinese
1.4% Mixed Race


Even less of a coloured immigrant population there, percentage wise. If Myers said what you say he did, then he's a liar and you're a pedlar of lies, unwittingly or not.

In one sense, it is hardly surprising, given that there is a concerted push by those of a particular political persuasion to suggest that England is being "overrun" by Islamic immigrants and their offspring. Books like the ridiculously titled "Londonistan" for example, paint a scaremongering picture that is flatly contradicted by the facts.

People who come out with rubbish like that are the new Nazis, IMHO.

daveirl

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Dodge

SpAcEd OuT wrote: »

Is it just me or does Kevin Myers seem to be on a crusade against muslims?

Nice word play.

Myers is the absolute nadir of op/ed pieces in Irish media.

As for the people n this thread looking to ban "muslim immigration" :rolleyes:

merrionsq

I'm not going to take sides on this debate, but my grandparents went back to the UK about a decade ago to revisit the places they lived then when they were over looking for work in the 1950s. The street where they used to live in Leicester and surrounding streets had become exclusively non-white. They thought the people were Muslims because of their dress, beards and veils etc. They could not find a person who spoke English on their old street.

Snickers Man

daveirl wrote: »

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How so? Identifying a recognisable minority and making exaggerated claims about their malign influence on the population as a whole?

Sounds to me pretty much like what the Nazis started off doing.

merrionsq wrote:

I'm not going to take sides on this debate, but my grandparents went back to the UK about a decade ago to revisit the places they lived then when they were over looking for work in the 1950s. The street where they used to live in Leicester and surrounding streets had become exclusively non-white. They thought the people were Muslims because of their dress, beards and veils etc. They could not find a person who spoke English on their old street.

That happens. Certain areas become popular with immigrant groups. I met a few lads from Kildare on holiday who said that a new housing estate in their town was known locally as Minimun because it was full of Dubs who had moved down to avail of cheaper property.

Their accents were different to the local community. They supported Dublin rather than Kildare in the All Ireland. They did not have the same passionate local identity that their neighbours had.

People migrate. Areas change character. That's life.

The East End of London is now a Bengali ghetto. 50-100 years ago it was famous as a Jewish ghetto. Before that it was Irish. You want the world to stand still? Ain't gonna happen.

It's how you deal with the change that counts. And first off is not to exaggerate the scale of it. Like Myers seems to have done.

Sonnenblumen

santosubito wrote: »

Strange, I'll have to start reading him again. All I thought he wrote about was WW1.

He's writing about WWIII

jmcc

Snickers Man wrote: »

Having said which, Wikipedia quotes the 2001 UK Census

Your stats are out of date - obviously. And relying on Wikipedia to support an argument is Sindo class debating at best. Though I wonder where Myers got his stats from.

Regards...jmcc

Snickers Man

jmcc wrote: »

Your stats are out of date - obviously. And relying on Wikipedia to support an argument is Sindo class debating at best. Though I wonder where Myers got his stats from.

Regards...jmcc

Er, that's the most recent census. They're taken every ten years.

And I wouldn't rely on Wikipedia per se but when it quotes a reputable statistical survey, like a national census, I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they haven't made up the figures.

By all means go to the source data yourself and see if they have quoted the census incorrectly. Until then, I would give them the benefit of the doubt.

Snickers Man

Try this website to get data on Britain's ethnicity from the horse's mouth, as opposed to from Kevin Myers' arse.


A cursory glance failed to get specific data for each city or metropolitan area. It's probably there but I haven't had time to dig it all out yet. Some salient facts though:

92.1% of the British population is white.

45% of the total "non-white" (ie African, Chinese, Asian, Afro-Caribbean etc) population lives in London.


the most "Ethnically diverse" administrative area is Brent in London.

daveirl

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Snickers Man

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I don't know much about her. Only that she once supported the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, claimed to be greatly influenced by reading the Nancy Drew mystery books????, and that she now holds an abiding hatred towards the Muslim religion in which she was raised.

We have lots of women in this country with a hysterical anti Catholic viewpoint who would say some of the things about the Catholic church that Ali says about Islam (patriarchal, abusive of women, discriminatory etc) Is the answer to stampe out the Catholic church, close down its schools, kick out of the country people who insist on adhering to it? I don't think so.

I also know she collaborated with the late Theo Van Gogh. Now he was a mirror image of a Nazi bigot. Or do you think it's acceptable for journalists continually to refer to people of a certain religion as "goat ****ers" in their copy?

daveirl wrote: »

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The question is: what are you going to do about it? And scare mongering, identifying the whole community as dangerous aliens, suggesting that the practice of their religion should be outlawed, refusing to let them have their own schools is downright dangerous, stupid, bigoted and panders to the worst racists in the country.

Instead you say to Muslims: "you are welcome to practice your faith and keep your culture but you must conform to our laws"
Most Muslims will have no problem with that. Just as most people from the Catholic tradition no longer through their unmarried pregnant daughters into Magdalene homes or boycott people who don't go to Mass.

daveirl

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Snickers Man

daveirl wrote: »

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Doesn't necessarily make them right though does it?

daveirl wrote:

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You're a Corkman and a fan of Munster Rugby. If I were to call you a sheep-shagging bogmonster inferred from that, how soon would it be before I was banned from this thread? You're also a Boards moderator, so you will know the answer.

Why should the standards of national journalism be any lower than those of this august discussion forum?

daveirl wrote: »

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It does if you were to remove from people the right to have their children educated in a school that matched their ethos.

Note that this is a different argument from saying that a church should have sole responsibility for education all the children of a nation. Our situation in IReland, given the traditional overwhelming Catholic majority, was that the church had a huge influence in the overall education of children here. But to remove choice from parents as to what school they could send their children to is wrong and stupid.

anymore

Mr Myers has kicked=off a hornets nest today with a column on Afro Caribean single mother influence on riots in London. Indo are not giving link to Myer's column for some reason but a poster on P.ie has put up column on a thread dealing with Myers.

Found it :

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-feral-rioters-all-have-one-thing-in-common-a-lack-of-father-figures-2844058.html

Darsad

Actually read his article this morn and then heard the nonsense on the radio this afternoon and im surprised this is the only thread about it.

I agree 100 % with what Myers wrote and its true we have been pandering too much to the PC briigade and for far too long .
I remember he wrote a similar great piece in the times 5 or 6 yrs ago about the travelling community where he said what needed to be said .

coylemj

I know the Telegraph syndicates his column but he really should be in the Daily Mail, he's blaming unemployment and social unrest on the eastern Europeans who arrived in Britain in the past few years.

What he's claiming (below) is that the carpenters, plumbers and other tradesmen who came from Poland and the Baltic States took up jobs that could have been filled by unskilled, unemployed youngsters from poor neighbourhoods in the UK, I don't think so.

There is a third element. Immigration: not of the parents or grandparents of the young males currently dismantling London and other cities, but more recent immigration, much of it white, that prevents young natives, of any ethnic background, getting jobs.

optogirl

merrionsq wrote: »

I'm not going to take sides on this debate, but my grandparents went back to the UK about a decade ago to revisit the places they lived then when they were over looking for work in the 1950s. The street where they used to live in Leicester and surrounding streets had become exclusively non-white. They thought the people were Muslims because of their dress, beards and veils etc. They could not find a person who spoke English on their old street.

so? People are so quick to moan about 'non-whites' etc emigrating - jesus christ, take a look at our own history. How would you feel if you heard somebody say they didn't like Bradford or Milwall or Boston cos it was full of Micks. Just because we happen to be the right colour and by virtue of colonisation, speak the right language, we think we are different to them? Nope. The same. Social and Economic refugees trying to eek out a better living for themselves.

Snickers Man

Hmm, this is a bit of a bump from a thread that was started four years ago.

I'd forgotten about this one but on rereading my comments, I'm happy to say I would not change anything I said earlier.

Now, to deal with the latest article: It begins with the sentence "The duty of journalists is to tell the truth."

Hey, good start Kev! Shame it all goes to bits after that.

It doesn't take too long before he dives straight into speculation. Paragraph three, no less, where he comes out and says what they probably have in common is single parenthood. Brilliant! Never let facts get in the way of a good supposition!

Worthwhile too, to contrast the target of his ire in the pieces referred to in the earlier posts with the more recent objects of his distaste. Four years ago it was "muslims" and "Islamists". Now it's "Afro Carribeans" and "blacks".

Ironic too that many of the people shown on TV to be victims of the latest violence are Asians. Many of them Muslims. The small shop keepers that make up such a part of British high streets today.

Certainly, not all such victims are Asians. The TV made it clear that Miss Selfridges and mobile phone stores are favoured targets for looters. But the small and sparsely defended (so far) corner shops are coming in for a pasting and the losses suffered by their far from wealthy owners will be far harder to absorb than those incurred by multinational chains.

IRE60

constitutionus and the statement "how incompatible their creed is with irish life" coupled with daveirl with: "Is Islamic immigration a positive influence on a Western society, I'd argue absolutely not"

It’s like something out of the English Defence League hand book, highly charge and highly racist.

F.F. to Snickers Man who’s at least trying to shine some light on the situation and not take Myers at his word.

I’d love if some of the vocal anti-Muslimists would draw up a shortlist of, once the have cleansed the ‘scurge of Islam’ from our pretty little island, who is next? The Roma? A scattering of the forth generation Jews living in Dublin, the Presbyterian flock, travellers?

And to reign this back into the Media. The BBC are now referring to the disturbances as 'English Riots' - the contagion hasn’t crossed the sea to the forth green field, been seen in Cardiff or go beyond Hadrian’s Wall! There is something in that.