2nd Annual Dillman Convention in London Nov. 2007

Damo W

Hi Guys,

Enjoyed this clip....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDbnJtdC2f8

yomchi

Can a person be any more compliant than that?

All he was missing was his sleeping bag

Dragan

Did the guys train or just watch all that stuff happen and learn by osmosis?

Secondly, did anyone tell the "victim" that he does in fact have two arms?

Sorry, i'm not normally the one to make these kinds of posts but there is no poorer reflection of any MA than a highlight video such as the above......over compliant partner and a room full of people telling you how cool you are.

yomchi

My thoughts too!

Baggio...

To be fair the guy is a very talented Martial Artist. Great movement and hand speed, etc.

Doubt you'd see it working on the street to be honest. That said, I'd like to see it done against a non compliant individual. I.E.- full force with boxing gloves.

dlofnep

Laughable. They are not martial artists. They are far from the realm of reality.

Damo W

Wow… I feel a little bad for posting the link now as it wasn’t meant to be a bash at Dillman (there are loads of remote knock-out stuff out there that are easy pickings) or these guys (who I don’t know from Adam)….

Can a person be any more compliant than that?

No I don’t think so, but if he resisted the drill/demo probably wouldn’t go on for very long…. I think he’s supposed to be compliant.

Did the guys train or just watch all that stuff happen and learn by osmosis?

Out of context I don’t know, was it a class or a demo or were these guys just asked ‘give us an example of what you mean by drill?’ How was the convention set up, just all demo's, did you move from one area/room to the next till you found something you wished to participate in? I don't know...

Secondly, did anyone tell the "victim" that he does in fact have two arms?

Since it’s prearranged it would probably be inappropriate to change the choreographed movements…:)

a room full of people telling you how cool you are

Hopefully the room is not full of clones and there are a few ‘seeking answers’ there too…

To be fair the guy is a very talented Martial Artist. Great movement and hand speed, etc.

That’s what I thought too, hence my posting… in the same way that I enjoy the superb kicking demo’s of the Korean’s, the acrobatic performances of the XMA following and the presentation of a precise WKF style kata… not looking any deeper into them, just enjoying them… but to each his own

Doubt you'd see it working on the street to be honest. That said, I'd like to see it done against a non compliant individual. I.E.- full force with boxing gloves.

In its presented state ‘true’, possibly they could extract one technique at a time and work it with progressive resistance to see if it’s valuable…. Will that happen, in the majority of cases probably not… but there might be a few, who knows.

Baggio...

Damo W wrote: »

but there might be a few, who knows.

That's the best thing to do... take what you need, and pressure test it. If it works then add it to your "tool box" so to speak.

Regardless of it's street functionality t'was a nice looking demo.

David Jones

Still my favourite Dillmanesque clip of all time

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=qa1nzD-n25Q

Baggio...

David Jones wrote: »

Still my favourite Dillmanesque clip of all time

Class.... :D

SorGan

lol those energy waves will feck you up:D

Gamo

Hmmm, how many SEMINARS have you guys been too, to write such ignorant posts?


1. This was a seminar. Seminar is where ideas, new and advanced techniques are presented. You can do your jabs, crosses, basic arm bars and pad drills at your local gym, seminars are supposed to give you more advanced techiques. Yes, in most cases while the instructor is showing a technique, ppl are sitting and observing. Then they try things them self! I guess when you guys go seminars its blood bash all the time, beating each other to oblivion, always proving to yourself and the crowd, that the instructor is an idiot and you could take him out.

Hmm, I see no heavy resistance at this BJJ seminar either. Dragon, did these people learn by osmosis also? Did the guy forget he could punch or resist? Was he just a brainwashed sucker? Fraud? I must be missing sth here ….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDtya_qJo4g


2. There are martial arts drills and martial arts techniques. What the instructor is showing is drills. In Okinawan karate they are called Tegumi and they are counter for counter DRILLS! What is the point of drills? Point is to make large amount of repetition of certain move, so that when you encounter situation like that in a real fight, you react instinctively. You don’t go trough all the drill!!! BJJ also has drills, they are not techniques but supposed to develop ones attributes.
If you stay at one step sparring type training, you will maybe do 20-30 repetitions per training. With these kinds of drills, you can do hundreds and hundreds. Then you put them in single techniques and consequently sparring. If anyone does Philippino martial arts, he will know what I am talking about.

3. There are 5 ranges of combat. Kicking - punching – trapping – grappling – ground fighting. No matter what style you do, you need to know to fight or at least react in all of them and being able to transition smoothly from one distance to another. The instructor was showing drills and some finishing techniques of fighting in trapping and grappling range. It’s a training method and not sparring.
If you are interested how these guys train on a daily basis, look at these videos. Nothing fancy but lots of sweating and hard work. Yes, some things are prearranged so that people don’t kill each other. Its called training HAPV (Habitual acts of physical violence scenarios).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNBqj3hllVg Special military forces training

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONzvIkycXe0 daily training in HAPV, sparring, kata, bunkai, weapons


Don’t bash other people simply because you don’t like Dillman! It proves your own ignorance and limited understanding of MA. Its ok not to agree with things, but at least think and take an objective look before you bash.

Roper

Some good points there Gamo. I think people do lack a bit of objectivity so good point there. Its very easy to pick holes in videos you see online as they are mostly compliant drills.

However I think a few opf the people above reacted the way they did because they've been in real fights and know that what they see won't work, and a few people are skeptical enough to know that even though they've never been in a real fight, they know enough about combat sports or even just the workings of the human body to know that stuff like that doesn't work. What I would say is that in the Dillman demo above it looks very pretty but I personally can't see it having any real transferance into real life. Maybe you have some vids of fast hand movements like that being incorporated into sparring or real life?

TKD SC

Gamo wrote: »

Hmmm, how many SEMINARS have you guys been too, to write such ignorant posts?


I guess when you guys go seminars its blood bash all the time, beating each other to oblivion, always proving to yourself and the crowd, that the instructor is an idiot and you could take him out.

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Hi,
Fair enough post in some ways, but, I dont think the people posting comments are all that "ignorant". How many seminars have you been to?
I dont think any seminars turn into blood bashes, or taking out the instuctor..

On 2nd para above, again most posters to this thread arent that ignorant nor have a "limited understanding of MA". They;re just making their "educated" view points known, so no need to put that down.

Agree, always good to be objective...

Mark Hamill

Gamo wrote: »

BJJ also has drills, they are not techniques but supposed to develop ones attributes.

BJJs drills aren't for developing attributes, they're for developing skills, in fact all of BJJ is about learning and improving skills that dont require major attributes to pull off. ie you don't need to bigger/faster stronger/faster than someone to win, just better skilled (better at the moves/transitions).

Gamo wrote: »

3. There are 5 ranges of combat. Kicking - punching – trapping – grappling – ground fighting. No matter what style you do, you need to know to fight or at least react in all of them and being able to transition smoothly from one distance to another.

This is very true and the key to being the best martial artist (mixed or otherwise) you can be.

I think the problem most people have with these clips of these type of seminars is that all we see is the introduction stage of the drill. We aren't shown the sparring stage, which is as big a fundamental stage to learning a technique/drill as the introduction stage (its all well and good doing dozens and dozens of one/two/three/etc step repetitions to learn a drill/technique, but how do you know that these moves are instinctual until you test them?) I think if a clip of the sparring that followed the drill stage showed above was posted, then people could better apreciate the drill shown.

mikeruurds

Gotta love Dillman's "Chi Balls" and "No touch knockouts".

I struggle to see any credibility when he promotes that kind of tosh.