Minister hasn't signed derogation to allow hunting of avian vermin

cavan shooter

Folks

Can anyone confirm or know the story on the above. I recieved a text today from the secretary of a gun club to tell me that the shooting of vermin such as greys and mags has been stopped. Help? will this mean fox is next.

if anyone can shed light your response is appreciated

les45

And it would seem that the Ward Union are still waiting for their licence .

Octopus

Shooting/trapping magpie and crow species is controlled under a derogation issued every 4 months by the wildlife department and signed by the minister. The derogation for the winter season has been issued but not signed by the minister due to 'staffing' issues.
I rang the nargc office this morning and have been told that a further memo is being sent to all RGC secretaries today stating that the derogation will be signed and that there should be no issue with shooting.

johngalway

Octopus wrote: »

due to 'staffing' issues.

Someone forget to hand him his pen?

les45

John , from what I understand the Minister has recruited his staff from his own party , and based on the most recent briefing to the various mounted hunts in the North East they may not be card carrying members of Country Side Alliance .:(:(:(

John

meathstevie

Wouldn't surprise me now the greens have sold their soul that they're going to act the fundamentalist on what the majority of the public regard as trivial detail and score a few easy points for their image....

Double Barrel

Someone forget to hand him his pen?

LOL, :D:D:D

Double Barrel

Les and Octopus,

Thanks for the update.

Terrier

I got word this morning from Galway Game Hunting Association saying not to shoot alright.. NARGC really need to enter the digital age!!

Brand new webpage that never gets updated
Don't email any correspondence to members ...:mad:

Double Barrel

Terrier,
I have noticed that alright, frustrating.
At least on the old site there was information and the seasons and game were outlined clearly, albeit not always up to date.

Brand new webpage that never gets updated
Don't email any correspondence to members ...

les45

les45 wrote: »

John , from what I understand the Minister has recruited his staff from his own party , and based on the most recent briefing to the various mounted hunts in the North East they may not be card carrying members of Country Side Alliance .:(:(:(

John

That was an interesting meeting all right - but quite frightening in some respects, especially the bit about Gormleys staff.

cavan shooter

So is it fingers off the trigger/ release the trapped ones or what????

The greys are taunting me, I woke up yesterday and saw a magpie in the garden how do they know.???

meathstevie

Folks I suppose this could be the start of a drawn out proces. Maybe the national shooting and hunting organisations and the different farmers' organisations should start contemplating organising countryside demonstrations as they done in the UK in the recent past.

Bet you that in a couple of years the same people who're trying to stop vermin shooting are going to be all alarmed over the decline in the number of songbirds, frogs etc etc if their shananigans work now.

BryanL

best thing to do is send out emails to your local TD's get on their case
Bryan

johngalway

Any update on this nonsense?

Facts only please i.e. what is the current situation and what needs to be done to resolve it? Facts please.

I'll email the local TD's but only when I know what I'm talking about.

Bloody greens.

Double Barrel

John maybe John Griffin can answer that question, I sure would like to know the answer to that one.

John Griffin

News to me guys, I'll be making a few calls in the morning. I'm not too worried about it though at the moment. Don't panick yet:D
Hey Double barrell do i know you or did you just google me? Should have come up with a more inventive username i suppose:o

Double Barrel

Hi John Griffin,
I do not believe we know each other personally, but I am a reader of a newsletter you are familiar with and of course your web site.
Keep up the good work.

premierpilot

Hi all any developments regarding this Ban on Mags and greys?

Trojan911

premierpilot wrote: »

Hi all any developments regarding this Ban on Mags and greys?

Not as yet. Spoke to a well connected source in the pub last Thursday (unless something has changed over the weekend).

tikkamark

Some load of **** why arnt the nargc doing anything about this
Whats to stop gormley from messing us about every time this and other licences has to be signed:mad:

It wasn't me!

If the derogation is going to be backdated, when it is signed it will have been legal to have been shooting the species named all along, as in theory it will have been in force from the date given, so what's to stop shooters now?

Double Barrel

It wasn't me! wrote: »

If the derogation is going to be backdated, when it is signed it will have been legal to have been shooting the species named all along, as in theory it will have been in force from the date given, so what's to stop shooters now?

Nothing ....... If one is willing to take the heat in the interim, BUT there really is no heat, "Rangers have not been instructed to target hunters".
The reg. will not have the force of law until someone hands him his pen.
To be perfectly honest as far as I am concerned the old Reg. is still in effect and will be until someone puts pen to paper and gives it the force of law.

John Griffin wrote: »

News to me guys, I'll be making a few calls in the morning. I'm not too worried about it though at the moment. Don't panick yet:D

NoNameRanger wrote: »

Hi,
I've been watching this space with interest and have asked a few questions for ye, basically the only reason it hasn't been signed is due to nobody putting it in front of the minister. There is no talk of withdrawing the derogation, it has actually happened many times over the years with many different ministers. Rangers have not been instructed to target hunters shooting species listed on the previous one. Its been happening for years ( it's the civil service:rolleyes:) don't worry about it. It'll be signed eventually and backdated as happens everytime.