Forum name change

Nevyn

Would a name change help stop all the posts from people looking for legal advice ?

Would changing it to the law discussion forum help ?

Tom Young

To be frank, I don't think it would. Just my own opinion.

Most of the indiscriminate "I need help, or I seek advice" are referred to the charter.

The nature of the beast would dictate that people will still ask, still write border line defamatory material even when the charter exists.

I found it necessary to even delete some posts last week as the nature and subject of a given thread was, in my own mind, in contravention of the charter. I had inadvertently added to it.

Tom

Rhonda9000

I think it would Thaedydal. I for one am sh*t sick of reading the same lame questions about door staff patron rejects, parking fines, minor drug offences or anything that comes from people that think its a good idea to ask people surfing some website what to do about their 'legal' (at a stretch) problems. I also hate the threads called e.g. "advice needed" and the weird formalesque vocabularies people start using because they are in the legal discussion forum.

Tom Young

LOL - Maybe Rhonda's right. I just think we'll still get the weirdo's

johnnyskeleton

Thaedyal wrote:

Would a name change help stop all the posts from people looking for legal advice ?

Possibly.

Thaedyal wrote:

Would changing it to the law discussion forum help ?

Not really, as if people don't read the charter what makes you think they will understand the difference between law discussion and legal discussion? You'd need to go further, or more obscure like Tallaght District Court or Star Chamber.

In any case, I strongly oppose your proposal on the basis that it would completely kill the forum. With no randomers wandering in and asking about DIY divorces, getting caught with €10s worth of cannabis, mis-spelled summonses, etc, what would we talk about. Whenever there is a new, radical piece of legislation you get a post or two, and I seem to recall a thread last year about the new criminal courts complex in dublin, but outside of that there isn't really anything to talk about without the regular slew of questions.

Besides, it's great fun skirting around the charter every now and again.

Rhonda9000

"wot are my rights"
"do i have a case"
"is he libil"

You're right johnny we'd miss them before long I suppose.

Thirdfox

^ you never see anyone ask "what are my responsibilities" unfortunately

Krieg

How about a sub-forum called "Legal advice" where people can ask these questions you hate and have a 'BIG' sticky saying "Dont believe any advice people give you on the internetz" :rolleyes:

Seriously though, in the case where people post about commiting minor offences such as being caught urinating in the street, who have little knowledge of the law, this forum can give some assurance that they will most likely pay a fine or wont have anything on their criminal record.
These little assurances can be a big relief for those who never break the law and made one stupid mistake one night and are worried about the consequences. Granted they should "Talk to a solicitor", but when its such a simple offence, whats wrong in helping the person by pointing out whats happened to people in similar cases and quoting the law on the matter.

I know you're getting ticked off at these common posts, but think of the little bit of good they are doing too
Just my opinion.

Karoma

Change to it Law Discussion and you'll just get "wot law cud i sue him with!!!".

Changing 'Posts will be snipped/deleted (Read!)' to "DO NOT POST REQUESTING LEGAL ADVICE" or something similarly simple might reduce the threads a small bit.

I think it's unavoidable. Pre-moderating the forum might be a good idea.

Nevyn

Well changing the title may help also threads with infact debate and dicussion of the ins and out might help as well.

Really it is posters that make up the community of the forum have a duty of care to the forum and to create the ethos they want in it with thier contributions.

I often wonder why there are not discussions here on what is ment by natural law in the consitution and the difference the religious preample makes and other topics of that nature.

scorplett

Thaedydal wrote: »

Well changing the title may help also threads with infact debate and dicussion of the ins and out might help as well.

Really it is posters that make up the community of the forum have a duty of care to the forum and to create the ethos they want in it with thier contributions.

I often wonder why there are not discussions here on what is ment by natural law in the consitution and the difference the religious preample makes and other topics of that nature.

I would love to have discussions on this board. But haven't felt there would be any point tbh.
Just to see if the board is capable of having such discussions I will start one!
Maybe the board could be turned around by the active participation of those, like myself, who have lurked and not said much.
I think there are a lot of conversations of a jurisprudence/legal philosophy nature and so on, that could be interesting even to those who don't have a legal background, are in legal education or even with a personal interest. There are many topics that could find a home here that could be contributed to by people with A Political views, interests in humanities in general, interest in ethics, morality and social issues etcetera etcetera.
I would have to say that consideration of a name-change would be a help, maybe even consideration beyond the simple change already suggested. It depends on what sort of discussion people want to have and if there is preference amongst the forum readers and posters as to quality/quantity and ****s and giggles/debate and discussion? Where might the middle ground be? I don't know. But I for one, would like to see substance and will try to kick off the sort of discussion I would like to see more of. Carrot-stick... any takers?

johnnyskeleton

Thaedydal wrote: »

I often wonder why there are not discussions here on what is ment by natural law in the consitution and the difference the religious preample makes and other topics of that nature.

Because:
1) most people don't really care
2) those that don't know much about those topics find their answers in legal text books
3) if someone does know a lot about a particular area will probably create threads that are so thorough and erudite that there is no point in anyone else replying.

Look at all the threads that were like this on the forum. They would, in my view, fall into 3 groups:
1) some shocking new change in the law promts discussion
2) people looking for help with college essays (which is kinda like cheating) ask an essay question (which by it's nature is designed to provoke at least 2 different points of view)
3) Once, Seamus and Victor had a barmy in another thread and Victor posted it here, but there was no follow through on their part.

I think the only really interesting legal discussions are found on other threads, and they usually involve some crank making a radical statement about some aspect of the criminal justice system.

IT Loser

its not a problem anyways. The first person that sees a request for legal advice passes a message onto a mod and kindly informs the relevant poster that we do not dispense legal advice. No need for more confusion and bureaucracy, its not like we are being spammed to death.

IT Loser

Thaedydal wrote: »

Well changing the title may help also threads with infact debate and dicussion of the ins and out might help as well.

Really it is posters that make up the community of the forum have a duty of care to the forum and to create the ethos they want in it with thier contributions.

I often wonder why there are not discussions here on what is ment by natural law in the consitution and the difference the religious preample makes and other topics of that nature.

Maybe nobody wants to get sucked into an off-topic, non-legal argument with you over the merits of Single-Parent inspired Paganism??? Perhaps such arguments are best relegated to the Religious fora, where they rightly belong. Have you heard of linking offences?? {eg using OASA legislation to prosecute a criminal damage case}?? Cos what you are suggesting is like linking fora and disparate topics. No thanks.

IT Loser

scorplett wrote: »

I would love to have discussions on this board. But haven't felt there would be any point tbh.
Just to see if the board is capable of having such discussions I will start one!
Maybe the board could be turned around by the active participation of those, like myself, who have lurked and not said much.
I think there are a lot of conversations of a jurisprudence/legal philosophy nature and so on, that could be interesting even to those who don't have a legal background, are in legal education or even with a personal interest. There are many topics that could find a home here that could be contributed to by people with A Political views, interests in humanities in general, interest in ethics, morality and social issues etcetera etcetera.
I would have to say that consideration of a name-change would be a help, maybe even consideration beyond the simple change already suggested. It depends on what sort of discussion people want to have and if there is preference amongst the forum readers and posters as to quality/quantity and ****s and giggles/debate and discussion? Where might the middle ground be? I don't know. But I for one, would like to see substance and will try to kick off the sort of discussion I would like to see more of. Carrot-stick... any takers?

How long would it be before a Mod decided that the argument had crossed the line and was sin-binned into a Humanism forumm or something??

johnnyskeleton

IT Loser wrote: »

Have you heard of linking offences?? {eg using OASA legislation to prosecute a criminal damage case}??

What's this linking offences? Are you referring to that murder case where the guy was arresed under s.30 OAS 1939, for criminal damage to the murder weapon?

Nevyn

IT Loser wrote: »

Maybe nobody wants to get sucked into an off-topic, non-legal argument with you over the merits of Single-Parent inspired Paganism???

What the fúck ?
Way to show your bias and ignorance.

IT Loser wrote: »

Perhaps such arguments are best relegated to the Religious fora, where they rightly belong. Have you heard of linking offences?? {eg using OASA legislation to prosecute a criminal damage case}?? Cos what you are suggesting is like linking fora and disparate topics. No thanks.

So discussion on the constitution and it's preamble have no place here, nice to know.
:rolleyes:

IT Loser

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

What's this linking offences? Are you referring to that murder case where the guy was arresed under s.30 OAS 1939, for criminal damage to the murder weapon?

there have been quite a few!!!

the guards use linking where they have technical/evidential issues for the lesser offence and where, realistically, they stand to succeed only with the lesser offence.

Tom Young

LOL.

We might be scaring the be-jaysis out of people with rhetoric like this:

Are you referring to that murder case where the guy was arresed under s.30 OAS 1939, for criminal damage to the murder weapon?

or

the merits of Single-Parent inspired Paganism???

IT Loser

Tom Young wrote: »

LOL.

Well Tom...I can only look at their profile to make, well, a profile. Frankly, there is no need for a name change or additional bureaucracy and interference. Leave the Legal Discussion Forum to those who are in the bidness, so to speak. You don't see me down at "Single Parents" offering advice on how to better their scene??

seamus

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

3) Once, Seamus and Victor had a barmy in another thread and Victor posted it here, but there was no follow through on their part.

I'm pretty sure that was my fault . I tend to forget about the existence of threads very quickly. FWIW, I probably would have ended up conceding (partially) to Victor, after doing some rsearch

I think the only really interesting legal discussions are found on other threads, and they usually involve some crank making a radical statement about some aspect of the criminal justice system.

I think this is half of the problem. The most interesting discussions involve real-world scenarios. Which can't be posted here in case someone thinks they're getting legal advice. Catch-22.

IT Loser

seamus wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that was my fault . I tend to forget about the existence of threads very quickly. FWIW, I probably would have ended up conceding (partially) to Victor, after doing some rsearch
I think this is half of the problem. The most interesting discussions involve real-world scenarios. Which can't be posted here in case someone thinks they're getting legal advice. Catch-22.

precisely-and a name-change isn't going to stop that!!

the minute people see a "law" word they are going to ask for "advice". And that, in anyones language, is LEGAL ADVICE.

I use to give Legal Advice in the CIC. Well I would have, if the punters in off the street shut up and let me....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nevyn

IT Loser wrote: »

LOL.

Well Tom...I can only look at their profile to make, well, a profile. Frankly, there is no need for a name change or additional bureaucracy and interference. Leave the Legal Discussion Forum to those who are in the bidness, so to speak. You don't see me down at "Single Parents" offering advice on how to better their scene??

I am not a single parent, boards does not have a 'single parents forum; it has a parenting forum for all.

bidness

Do you mean business ?

So a person who is not a law student or in the business would not have or should not have an interest in the laws of the land in which they live and by which they are subject.

Charming.

IT Loser

Thaedydal wrote: »

IT Loser wrote: »

I am not a single parent, boards does not have a 'single parents forum; it has a parenting forum for all.




Do you mean business ?

So a person who is not a law student or in the business would not have or should not have an interest in the laws of the land in which they live and by which they are subject.

Charming.

Well, like Gene Allen Ray said in "Fame"....."I speaks like I likes to"...

Rock on baby, Rock on.

Tom Young

Thaedydal wrote: »

So a person who is not a law student or in the business would not have or should not have an interest in the laws of the land in which they live and by which they are subject.

Charming.

Seems the quote function didn't quite work there, I didn't say that but I'd agree with you.

scorplett

IT Loser wrote: »

Tom Young wrote: »

LOL.

Well Tom...I can only look at their profile to make, well, a profile. Frankly, there is no need for a name change or additional bureaucracy and interference. Leave the Legal Discussion Forum to those who are in the bidness, so to speak. You don't see me down at "Single Parents" offering advice on how to better their scene??

So Law is your bidness is it? Or do you mean business... or are you referring to a sense of ownership of this forum?
Your arrogant bigoted attitude is really not serving you. Or is that part of your ego masturbation activities?

IT Loser

Tom Young wrote: »

Seems the quote function didn't quite work there, I didn't say that but I'd agree with you.

Maybe we should concentrate on getting a better template for BOARDS instead of splitting hairs over name changes, what??:cool:

Nevyn

Tom Young wrote: »

Seems the quote function didn't quite work there, I didn't say that but I'd agree with you.

Sorry about that Tom. I have edited the post to correct the error.

IT Loser

scorplett wrote: »

So Law is your bidness is it? Or do you mean business... or are you referring to a sense of ownership of this forum?
Your arrogant bigoted attitude is really not serving you. Or is that part of your ego masturbation activities?

Oh look!! A pagan rustled up from Tara Hill. Come down off your high horse, like Oisin did!! With a thud!!

scorplett

IT Loser wrote: »

Oh look!! A pagan rustled up from Tara Hill. Come down off your high horse, like Oisin did!! With a thud!!

Ok, first of all, My religous choices have nothing to do with my capability to post in these fora.

Secondly, you might want to check your Irish mythology. Ossin, horses and Tara are a very confusing mish mash of folkloric concepts.

Thirdly, Have you finished studying law yet? It doesn't seem like you have a full grasp of torts yet! Hmm, you are in Griffith am I right, might want to talk to Kate about that. Or was it just that you bought Griffith notes? Anyway, I would be careful what presumptions you make. You obviously don't know who you are talking to or what you are talking about. If you are hoping to make a legal career for yourself, such prejudices are not a good idea. Sure cynicism is inevitable, but bigotry will get you into trouble!

Tom Young

Now children!

IT Loser

scorplett wrote: »

Ok, first of all, My religous choices have nothing to do with my capability to post in these fora.

Secondly, you might want to check your Irish mythology. Ossin, horses and Tara are a very confusing mish mash of folkloric concepts.

Thirdly, Have you finished studying law yet? It doesn't seem like you have a full grasp of torts yet! Hmm, you are in Griffith am I right, might want to talk to Kate about that. Or was it just that you bought Griffith notes? Anyway, I would be careful what presumptions you make. You obviously don't know who you are talking to or what you are talking about. If you are hoping to make a legal career for yourself, such prejudices are not a good idea. Sure cynicism is inevitable, but bigotry will get you into trouble!

Uh, yeah, Kate. Speak to......Kate.


PS....who is OSSIN??

PPS..."It seems like you have a full grasp of torts yet"...WTF...it seems like your DON'T have a full grasp of ENGLISH yet!!

Well done son, Well done!!

seamus

Where's the button for "infract everyone"? If someone still feels like this is a valid request, I suggest bringing it up on Feedback.

hullaballoo already gave his opinion on it and I tend to agree. There seem to be sufficient people here with an interest/qualification in the area to turn it into a proper "discussion" area.

besty

Just to add my 2 cents on this. As hullaballoo already stated, myself and himself simply don't have the time to pre-mod everything - or seamus either I would imagine.

Furthermore, I don't think any name change would prevent people seeking advice to be honest. Quite often, people ignore forum charters regardless. This is the fact of the matter and I think even a change of name to something like "Legal Issues" or whatever it would be will still provide the forum for people to raise their questions over any law related issue - including requests for advice.

hullaballoo

Just one final addendum to supplement my previous post: I do think that there may be some scope in the future to allow legal advice questions in the forum. However, someone else would be needed to mod in that instance, and preferably a professional lawyer.

Edit: Cat. Pigeons.