Hot Shot rules

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I think we need to get a better structure for the hot shots at the IV's.

The way it went yesterday was totally unfair to the compounds and recurves shooting on three spots. People on 40cm faces started at 3 while we started at 7 so by the time they're on 7 we have to shoot inner 10's. This is crazy.

If it's gonna be like that there's no point in compounds or 3 spots even shooting in the hot shot. Now I know the hot shot is only a filler at the end but I enjoy it, however, yesterdays structure totally took the fun out of it.

It's hardly fair to have people in the same category having such a big difference in starting zones.

I think all the advanced shooters (3 spot or 40cm) should start at 6 and beginners and barebow start at 4.

MicS

I can propose a scheme that is not totally unfair. At least everybody finishes with similar difficulty, but beginners start with easier numbers.

Round number: 60cm - 40cm - compound.

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Round 1: 3 - 6 - 7
Round 2: 5 - 7 - 8
Round 3: 7 - 8 - 9
Round 4: 9 - 9 - outer 10
Round 5: 10 - 10 - inner 10
Round 6: closest to center

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Or skip compound completely, and use the same numbers as 40cm.

span

That looks like a good system Mikhail.

toxof

I think this should be used. No need for long debates and discussions!!!

Good work Span & Mikhail

Panserborn

Just giving this thread a kick,

At UCD there were issues regarding the hotshot. In this thread MicS and Span came up with a way to standardise the hotshot. The rules were tested in NUIG and (after discussions) in UCD and a beginner and recurve archer won in these IVs - showing that it doesn't seem to favour the compounds as was suggested (I know stats people will go loopy at n=2 but its all we got )

So whats the upshot? Old way? New way? Newer way? ISAA rules do not cover hotshot as it is only a casual fun thing to allow hosts to add up scores so don't be afraid to change things here!

ruiner

It came very very close between the recurve and a compound ad UCD. It was down to measuring from the arrow to the center of the target. Even then it was left to Gerry to make a call and it could have been either way

I think the hot shot rules themselves work well although can someone please hammer out a decision when it comes to the 10 whether compounds have the whole 10 same as recurves or just their normal inner 10. As Mac says it's meant to be a casual thing and all the "discussing" at UCD really sucked the fun outta it.

We went with the outer ten option at UCD for everyone and the last shooters were all on 3 spots so everyone had the same chance. I'd be happy leaving it with the same zone for everyone.

There was a hotshot at the Leinster open at the weekend and that ran with the same rules and was won by a compound shooter.

MicS

ruiner wrote: »

I think the hot shot rules themselves work well although can someone please hammer out a decision when it comes to the 10 whether compounds have the whole 10 same as recurves or just their normal inner 10.

In my post above, compound should have been shooting outer 10 when recurves had 9, and compounds shooting their normal (inner) 10 when recurves shoot 10. In other words, compounds always shoot for one ring smaller than recurves.

Panserborn

MicS wrote: »

Round number: 60cm - 40cm - compound.

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Round 1: 3 - 6 - 7
Round 2: 5 - 7 - 8
Round 3: 7 - 8 - 9
Round 4: 9 - 9 - outer 10
Round 5: 10 - 10 - inner 10
Round 6: closest to center

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These sound fair - all in favour say aye.

ruiner

What happens in the event no one gets the zone eg. round 5 we should be on 10's, what happens if no one shoots a ten? Do-over for everyone or just highest scores go again?

span

That's happened a few times. Everyone from the previous round goes again

olymacfoogal

aye!

seems unfair to have compounds and recurve shooting at the same sized ring... ye have scopes and release aids, we have 3 fat fingers and a metal pin.... plus your arrows get there in minus time

ruiner

True but it makes it all the sweeter when you beat a compound with a recurve that way. It's do able

I definitely prefer the compounds having to get a higher score though

Panserborn

The way MicS has it done out the compounds always have to get higher except for the sudden death "closer to the x" bit but thats how a hotshot ends up.

Can someone print it out and give it to whatever judge is there to prevent any discussions and name calling again?