Inglis Drever vs BJK

RichieLawlor

how can ID be favourite for this tomorrow. the last time the met ID was 9 length behind BJK in the aintree hurdle.

This is not cheltenham and the ground will not be bottomless, on a slightly flatter track like newbury im takin BJK to hose up over ID

FRM

Black Jack cannot stay - FACT !

mdwexford

Some day you'll give up on Black Jack Ketchum, hopefully before he sends you to the poor house, the horse is over-rated and always has been. Id be a firm layer tomorrow.

Colonel Sanders

the only worry about ID tomorrow is BJK has already had a run and he hasn't. Not sure its a race I'd wade into anything in.

All things being equal BJK is a hype merchant and WILL NOT win th stayers at the festival.

Colonel Sanders

RichieLawlor wrote: »

the last time the met ID was 9 length behind BJK in the aintree hurdle.

on quickish ground after ID had a very tough race at the festival. How far was BJK behind ID at the pillar meeting?

Morgans

I think MDWexford has the key here. Inglis Drever may not be the horse to beat him - althought Johnson is very good at getting his star horses fit at home - but something will beat BJK. I like Kasbah Bliss, who has been impressive in his wins this season. BJK doesnt stay and has some temperament doubts. I think the wind operation was a last resort from connections. It might not be Inglis Drever who wins but I will be opposing BJK in all races. I was surprised that he was priced up as fav for this during the week.

RichieLawlor

Sorry guyss im very stubborn when it comes to BJK.

Double with Harchibald FTW

peejy

BJK wont stay 3 miles.I'll def be laying

RichieLawlor

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Sorry guyss im very stubborn when it comes to BJK.

Double with Harchibald FTW

If Harchibald does win today, will he go favourite for the WBX bonus?

even if i get one i will be happy

Colonel Sanders

If Harchibald wins today he'll be the only horse who can actually win the WBX bonus!!

Colonel Sanders

BJK a massive drifter on betfair, 6.4 now. Special envoy looks way to short at 5.9, not saying he can't win but thats a illy price now.

Purely on prices ID is the bet but how fit is he?

Hoofer

Hello fellow punters...long time since I was on here i know>>>>>I fancy harchibald to win today.Jazz messenger had a great prep race at dundalk and won at punchestown.Harchi ran well at dundalk too and should win at newcastle

Amonsol

Really surprised BJK is running today on that going. Thought he would be a non runner.

WHIP IT!

Amonsol wrote: »

Really surprised BJK is running today on that going. Thought he would be a non runner.

He's out...

mdwexford

Quality performance from Inglis Drever and a monster price too, now challenging Baracouda for the best staying hurdler of modern times. Big chance of having 3 World Hurdles in the bag come March, pity he got injured or it could have been 4 in a row.

mdwexford

Harchibald = machine, back to best, Champion Hurdle in the bag.

I love todays racing.

Shan75

Harchibald sheer class.Looks back to near his best.One of my favourite hurdlers over the last few years.I love the way he races on the bridle but still worry he will not win as in the Champion Hurdle.I also really like Paul Carberry as a tormentor because he always looks like he's going better than he is and you don't know until the race ends if he's going to win or not which makes an already exciting sport even more thrilling and entertaining.It's great to see the best natural jumper winning the race as this does not always happen.

peejy

Carberry gave him super ride. Look forward to seeing the pair come up the cheltenham hill

Collie D

Can't believe I completley discounted auld Harchi. Had a speculative treble on the three Cheltenham winners (Inglis Drever, Denman and Katchit) not expecting Denman to win. Thought all Katchit had to do was turn up today. Twas only a fiver but would have paid close to 40/1. God, I hate when what you think is the weakest link in your accum nails it and your so-called banker fails to do the business.

pid()

mdwexford wrote: »

Harchibald = machine, back to best, Champion Hurdle in the bag.

I love todays racing.

I'd consider giving you 1000/1 on Harchibald to win the champion hurdle. It's not going to happen.

Collie D

A bold statement

Don't think he'll win either but I'll take your 1000/1 all the same.

mdwexford

pid() wrote: »

I'd consider giving you 1000/1 on Harchibald to win the champion hurdle. It's not going to happen.

Ill take 25's for a score if you want.

RichieLawlor

there was a lot of bull talked about harci not passing Hardy Eustace in the CH that time but has it ever occurred to anyone that its damn tough to pass HE, Afsoun was cruising in behind last week and couldnt do it he even out battled Brave Inca in the Irish CH last January. Dont forget harchi past BI up the cheltenham hill, not many i suggest would do that

That being said the 1000/1 looks very generous IMO. I have a bet on that aswell

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Morgans

Ziggy. I dont agree with that. harchibald doesnt find anything off the bridle. Its not that he is ungenuine, he does his best without his jockey asking him. Carberry gave him a stunning ride at Cheltenham but the hill finish caught him out, and probably will again. Flat 2m tracks (with flat finishes) like Punchestown and Newcastle suit him. Probably the most talented of all the hurdlers of the past 5 years.

Colonel Sanders

a lot of the stick Carberry got in 05 was unwarranted. He rode the horse with balls of steel and was slated for not asking a question earlier. It wouldn't have made a difference. Had there been anything to give he would have passed Hardy. Look at the video, nearly the same distance is between Hardy & harchi over the last 100 yards. He found zero when Carberry asked, had he asked earlier he might have finished 3RD. At the 2nd last Back in Front (I think) makes a mistake and harchi was left near the front sooner than Carberry would have liked.

mdwexford

Morgans wrote: »

Without a doubt the most talented of all the hurdlers of the past 5 years.

FYP Morgans

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Morgans

I've seen the race numerous times, and watched it again there, as well as watching Harcibald's other races. I think those who claim the horse is ungenuine do the horse a great disservice. He tries his best on the bridle but look at his Dundalk run on the flat to see if he responds to pressure. He chased down Rooster Booster at Kempton when he was asked. He tries and he responds, its just that hill at Cheltenham that catches him.

WH BONNEY

This is one of the most over rated hurdlers of modern times. He is a dream for layers & should be laid for the chapion hurdle (maybe not @ 1,000/1).

A couple of posters have said about the hill etc in Cheltenham but I always look back to the day in punchestown shortly after Hardy had beaten him in Cheltenham. Brace Inca & Harchibald went eyeball to eyeball over the last and he hadnt got it in him for a fight to the line.

This horse is average and I cannot see how any knowledgeable person can rate him in the same league as Hardy or Brace Inca, its not even close.

mdwexford

You obviously havent a clue what your on about, hes a 5 time Grade 1 hurdle winner and was beaten a neck in the strongest Champion Hurdle of the past 5-6 years. How many average horses do that. Look at official ratings, he is obviously in the same league as the two aforementioned horses.

Morgans

I know he could be viewed as a layers dream, but not now, more in-betting running, because you could put him up and 1.1 and there is a good chance that you can get matched and still win. And the punchestown race did look bad. It was interesting that Carberry came out and said that he didnt want to take it up so soon on him that day, only that the criticisms after Cheltenham made up his mind. I personally think his Cheltenham ride was perfect (as well as his Kempton win)

However, I can really see how any knowledgeable punter can say he is not in the same league as Brave Inca and Hardy Eustace when HE beat him a neck in a champion - a half length ahead of Brave Inca, and was beaten a head by Brave Inca at Punchestown. How that isnt nearly close is strange.

He is an infuriating horse, but every bit as talented as that pair. Maybe even more so, but not as strong a stayer, or as willing to battle.

meriwether

I think Harchibald has a really good chance this year.

Firstly, Paul Carberry rode him as best as possible in Cheltenham 05.
He took the stick on board, changed his tactics and lost ground to Brave Inca in Punchestown.

He wont have to contend with HE this year (or will he? Will they change tactics?), nor Brave Inca.

Lets be realistic: Sublimity is the only one who is possibly better than him.
He absolutely demolished 2 pretenders to the throne, Katchit and Blythe Knight last week. He beat them out the gate, and if they were still running he would still be ahead.

Is sublimity better than HE and Brave Inca were when they were top of their game?
I dont know.
But Harchibald has a huge chance, even of only for the weaker field this time than he has faced before.

Shan75

WH BONNEY wrote: »

This is one of the most over rated hurdlers of modern times. He is a dream for layers & should be laid for the chapion hurdle (maybe not @ 1,000/1).

A couple of posters have said about the hill etc in Cheltenham but I always look back to the day in punchestown shortly after Hardy had beaten him in Cheltenham. Brace Inca & Harchibald went eyeball to eyeball over the last and he hadnt got it in him for a fight to the line.

This horse is average and I cannot see how any knowledgeable person can rate him in the same league as Hardy or Brace Inca, its not even close.

Perhaps your idea of a league is different to most people.He beat Brave Inca at Cheltenham and was pretty close to Hardy Eustace.He is a better jumper than both of these but he barely gets the two miles so is always susceptible to a horse with a bit more stamina who is within a few pounds of him.He is possibly even more genuine as well because he gives everything he has on the bridle while the others need to be ridden vigorously to give their all(Brave Inca in particular)However I am not in any way trying to denigrate these two mighty champions.I am just pointing out that Harchibald(as his record proves) belongs in the same class.