Your 6N Irish Team

Stev_o

Right i do relise its a bit early and there is a still months to go but given that after watching [well more flicking back from BBC] RTE's coverage of the Wales Bokke match they let Hook show his XV and was wondering what kinda of XV people want.

I shall start and then you can flame me for it ^^

.15 G. Murphy [Dempsey to come on after 50 mins]
.14 Rob Carney
.13 O'Driscoll
.12 Darcy
.11 R. Karney
.10 O'Gara
.9 Reddan
.8Heaslip
.7 Jennings
.6 Quinlan
.5 O'Connell [thats hoping that his back injury isnt serious and that is form will be okay coming out from this injury]
.4 Cullen
.3 Horan
.2 Flannery
.1 Buckley [We might as well start giving him some International experience since he will be replacing the bull

dc69

Stev_o wrote: »

Right i do relise its a bit early and there is a still months to go but given that after watching [well more flicking back from BBC] RTE's coverage of the Wales Bokke match they let Hook show his XV and was wondering what kinda of XV people want.

I shall start and then you can flame me for it ^^

.15 G. Murphy [Dempsey to come on after 50 mins]
.14 Rob Carney
.13 O'Driscoll
.12 Darcy
.11 R. Karney
.10 O'Gara
.9 Reddan
.8Heaslip
.7 Jennings
.6 Quinlan
.5 O'Connell [thats hoping that his back injury isnt serious and that is form will be okay coming out from this injury]
.4 Cullen
.3 Horan
.2 Flannery
.1 Buckley [We might as well start giving him some International experience since he will be replacing the bull

that looks like a goo team to me,maybe fitzgerald for carney at 50 mins

zAbbo

Hmmm, may as well lose the run of myself here...


.15 Rob Kearney
.14 Shane Horgan
.13 O'Driscoll
.12 D'Arcy
.11 Ian Dowling
.10 O'Gara
.9 Reddan

.8 Heaslip
.7 Jennings
.6 Quinlan
.5 Bob Casey
.4 Leo Cullen
.3 Buckley
.2 Jackman
.1 Stephen Knoop

16. Cian Healy
17. Trevor Hogan
18. Johnno Sexton
19. Denis Hurley
20. Luke Fitzgerald
21. Donnacha Ryan
22. Cillian Willis



I'd just be happy if we blooded at least 1 new cap in the 5 games

uberwolf

I think we should be moving towards a scenario where you're alternating players between the games in every position.

My squad would be a look towards 2011.

Hence

15. Kearney / Duffy
14. Horgan / Brown (if only this chap could stay fit!)
13. O'Driscoll / Lewis
12. D'Arcy / Murphy?
11. Luke / Dowling
10. O'Gara / Sexton (Felipe if he naturalises )
9. Reddan / Willis
8. Heaslip / Leamy
7. Jennings /
6. Keogh /
5. Hogan / O'Callaghan
4. O'Connell / Cullen
3. Buckley /
2. Flannery /
1. / Knoop

I have a few reservations with the above
Cillian Willis? struggling to reach the standard for Heino, 6N could hammer his confidence. But as a long term prospect he needs to be blooded.

You'd have to give Luuuuke more time as well, his unpopularity within the Leinster squad means he's not being given the ball when he may otherwise get it. He only seems to get the ball on the counter, and I know he's McAllister II as far as the squad are concerned. Immensely talented despite that, and not out of place in the current Leinster backline which as high a compliment as can be paid

Stev_o

uberwolf wrote: »

You'd have to give Luuuuke more time as well, his unpopularity within the Leinster squad means he's not being given the ball when he may otherwise get it. He only seems to get the ball on the counter, and I know he's McAllister II as far as the squad are concerned. Immensely talented despite that, and not out of place in the current Leinster backline which as high a compliment as can be paid

Now comparing him to McAllister seems a bit off to me. Ill be honest with you iv seen very little him and when i did i saw little of him on the pitch. In all honestly what makes you believe he is that good? Not trying sound a bit angry at you but i just dont see what the hype is about Luke to be honest he isnt the most stand out player say Keith Earls is for Munsters but shares the same problem as him with getting game time. Id probably have a different opinion of him if he had of played in the Churchill Cup though since we could have measured his standards

youcancallmeal

Eh you all seem to be forgetting Eddie O'Sullivan is still in charge and the squad is going to look exactly like this:

15 - Girvan Dempsey
14 - Andrew Trimble
13 - Brian O'Driscoll Captain
12 - Gordon D'Arcy
11 - Denis Hickie
10 - Ronan O'Gara
9 - Peter Stringer
1 - Marcus Horan
2 - Rory Best
3 - John Hayes
4 - Donncha O'Callaghan
5 - Paul O'Connell
6 - Simon Easterby
7 - David Wallace
8 - Denis Leamy

Well maybe not Hickie
We can still dream though...

Stev_o

youcancallme>al wrote: »

Eh you all seem to be forgetting Eddie O'Sullivan is still in charge and the squad is going to look exactly like this:

15 - Girvan Dempsey
14 - Andrew Trimble
13 - Brian O'Driscoll Captain
12 - Gordon D'Arcy
11 - Denis Hickie
10 - Ronan O'Gara
9 - Peter Stringer
1 - Marcus Horan
2 - Rory Best
3 - John Hayes
4 - Donncha O'Callaghan
5 - Paul O'Connell
6 - Simon Easterby
7 - David Wallace
8 - Denis Leamy

We can still dream though...

*tear* and too think we will face a French side that will attack now, a English side with a probably new bank line to challenge us aswell as a better outhalf [Given if Cipriani gets the job which i think he will]. A Scot side we have struggled to beat now on occasions. All is left is a all over the shop Wales and Italy side. Oh well

uberwolf

Stev_o wrote: »

Now comparing him to McAllister seems a bit off to me. Ill be honest with you iv seen very little him and when i did i saw little of him on the pitch. In all honestly what makes you believe he is that good? Not trying sound a bit angry at you but i just dont see what the hype is about Luke to be honest he isnt the most stand out player say Keith Earls is for Munsters but shares the same problem as him with getting game time. Id probably have a different opinion of him if he had of played in the Churchill Cup though since we could have measured his standards

He has a precious capacity to float through a defensive line when on the counter, something Connaught can testify to!

Stev_o

uberwolf wrote: »

He has a precious capacity to float through a defensive line when on the counter, something Connaught can testify to!

Yeaahhh but thats Connaught and i remember him doing it once rather the whole match. Has he EVER been seriously tested by any decent team?

dc69

Stev_o wrote: »

Now comparing him to McAllister seems a bit off to me. Ill be honest with you iv seen very little him and when i did i saw little of him on the pitch. In all honestly what makes you believe he is that good? Not trying sound a bit angry at you but i just dont see what the hype is about Luke to be honest he isnt the most stand out player say Keith Earls is for Munsters but shares the same problem as him with getting game time. Id probably have a different opinion of him if he had of played in the Churchill Cup though since we could have measured his standards

you said it yourself ,you havent seen alot of him,he aint gona be good as a winger no matter how many times cheika plays him there,oh and the fact no one will pass to him,he would flourish at 13,we arent gona win the six nations,so why not blood some new talent,healy,kearney and fitzgerald,its not as if there gona get killed if they come on for the last 25-30 mins,and we arent gona mount a challenge so why not

Punchbowl

The one player that showed up in France, Dempsey, is dropped by the majority of you. He should be the first name on the team sheet.. Brian Carney has yet to live up to the hype, but his differently spelt namesake, Rob should be given a start.. I also switching centres, for different reasons but I think freeing up Darcy could be a revelation

My team (and remember, I won the Boards WC prediction game)

15:Dempsey
14:Horgan
13:D'arcy (Yes, I know)
12:O'Driscoll (Yes, I know too)
11:Kearney
10:O'Gara
09:Redden
08:Heaslip
07:N Best (Rotate with Wallace)
06:Quinlan
05:O'Connell
04:O'kelly
03:Hayes
02:Jackman
01:Buckley

I would have G Murphy, B Murphy, Knoop, Dowling and O'Callaghan somewhere near the first team too

daveirl

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zAbbo

We'll have to see what happens tonight, but you're dead right about the battles of Flannery v Jackman, Heaslip v Leamy & Jennings v Wallace.

The reason I obmitted Dempsey is because he's currently injured, and Kearney will take his place at Leinster, so it's a better idea to have someone who's played with that backline for a few months, than shoehorn in Girv who's coming back from injury (or something)

P_1

Personally I'd go with:

15 - G. Dempsy (G. Murphy on at 50 as impact)
14 - S. Horgan
13 - G. D'arcy (12-13 axis getting stale)
12 - B. O'Driscoll
11 - R. Kearney
10 - R. O'Gara
9 - E. Reddan

8 - J. Heaslip
7 - S. Jennings
6 - A Quinlan
5 - P. O'Connoll
4 - M. O'Kelly
3 - J. Hayes (T. Buckley on as impact)
2 - J. Flannery
1 - M. Horan

Subs:
G. Murphy
J. Sexton
P. Stringer
D. O'Callghan
T. Buckley
B. Jackman
D. Leamey

marco_polo

15 - G. Murphy
14 - S. Horgan (R Kearney if form not up to scratch)
13 - B. O'Driscoll
12 - G. D'arcy
11 - B. Carney
10 - R. O'Gara
9 - E. Reddan

8 - J. Heaslip
7 - S. Jennings
6 - D. Leamy
5 - P. O'Connoll
4 - D. O'Callaghan
3 - J. Hayes (T. Buckley on as impact)
2 - J. Flannery
1 - M. Horan

Subs:
16 - T. Buckley
17 - B. Jackman / R Best
18 - A. Quinlan / D Wallace
19 - L. Cullen / T Hogan
20 - P. Stringer
21 - J. Sexton
22 - R. Kearney / Horgan / Trimble

Waterboy : Paddy Wallace

JWAD

Based on current injuries, my 22 would be:

15 Duffy
14 Horgan
13 O'Driscoll (c)
12 d'Arcy
11 Murphy
10 O'Gara
9 Stringer

1 Horan
2 Flannery
3 Hayes
4 O'Callaghan
5 O'Kelly
6 Jennings
7 Wallace
8 Leamy

Subs: Best, Buckley, Cullen, Heaslip/Best, Reddan, Wallace, Carney

Not too shabby, playing well this season and nearly there: Trimble, Kearney, Gleeson, O'Connor, Jackman

Fitzgerald is barely ready for ERC level, never mind International. Hasn't the head for it yet.

Stev_o

daveirl wrote: »

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Im not a huge Jackman fan myself he isnt international standard to be honest but many people would be picking him on form which in fairness he deserves because he is standing out more then Flannery or Best is in the loose and in tight which those two are supposed to outclass him. But id still have Flannery starting ahead just because i think Flannery is a better all rounder, motivator etc.

Again Heaslip has been standing out more the Leamy. His overall work rate is much more then Leamy's at the mo. I think Leamy has fallen into the Horan/Doc trap of been goddamn lazy because he knows he wont loose his place. Id have Heaslip ahead of him in the 6N as he has proven very strong at the back of the scrum and we could come under pressure this 6N.

Ehh Wallace vs Jennings really thats the one im watching out for tonight. I still think Wallace is 6 1/2 he isnt a specialists 7 which i do think every team needs.

One funny thing about tonight though is that for the sake of Ireland we want Leinsters backline destroying Munsters [which should be a test] and Munster need to destroy Leinster's pack.

All and all hopefully alot of questions will be answered tonight.

Worrytahs

JWAD wrote: »

Based on current injuries, my 22 would be:

15 Duffy
14 Horgan
13 O'Driscoll (c)
12 d'Arcy
11 Murphy
10 O'Gara
9 Stringer

1 Horan
2 Flannery
3 Hayes
4 O'Callaghan
5 O'Kelly
6 Jennings
7 Wallace
8 Leamy

Subs: Best, Buckley, Cullen, Heaslip/Best, Reddan, Wallace, Carney

Not too shabby, playing well this season and nearly there: Trimble, Kearney, Gleeson, O'Connor, Jackman

Fitzgerald is barely ready for ERC level, never mind International. Hasn't the head for it yet.

Good backrow that. Effectively two blindsides, two breakaways and two no.8s (if Heaslip is 19).

thebaz

daveirl wrote: »

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I'm with you on that Dave -- the WC campaign has lost my interest in the game , kicking a ball with son, and watching him play youth rugby , is far more interesting than watching Eddie losing the plot with the golden generation.

remus808

Following the 2 players to a position model... We need squad rotation!

15 Dempsy / Murphy
.14 Horgan / Kearney
.13 D'arcy / Fitzgerald
.12 O'Driscoll / Trimble
.11 Carney / Dowling
.10 O'Gara / Sexton
.9 Reddan / Stringer

.8 Heaslip / Leamy
.7 Jennings / Wallace
.6 Quinlan / Best
.5 O'Connell / O'Kelly
.4 Cullen / O'Callaghan
.3 Hayes / Buckley
.2 Jackman / Flannery
.1 Knoop / Horan

toomevara

karmabass wrote: »

Following the 2 players to a position model... We need squad rotation!

15 Dempsy / Murphy
.14 Horgan / Kearney
.13 D'arcy / Fitzgerald
.12 O'Driscoll / Trimble
.11 Carney / Dowling
.10 O'Gara / Sexton
.9 Reddan / Stringer

.8 Heaslip / Leamy
.7 Jennings / Wallace
.6 Quinlan / Best
.5 O'Connell / O'Kelly
.4 Cullen / O'Callaghan
.3 Hayes / Buckley
.2 Jackman / Flannery
.1 Knoop / Horan

Yes indeed, this six nations this year must be all about squad/player development and tactical change. We need to fundamentally alter the way we play rugby as a country. Give key play makers their head and let them play whats in front of them, we've got experience enough through the spine of any squad permutation to allow this to happen.

End the control freakery and get the game plans in order, i.e. a plan A, B, C with players confident and intelligent enough to mix and match...Oh and please,please,please, strict selection on form, not reputation (some bloody chance.....)

dc69

karmabass wrote: »

Following the 2 players to a position model... We need squad rotation!

15 Dempsy / Murphy
.14 Horgan / Kearney
.13 D'arcy / Fitzgerald
.12 O'Driscoll / Trimble
.11 Carney / Dowling
.10 O'Gara / Sexton
.9 Reddan / Stringer

.8 Heaslip / Leamy
.7 Jennings / Wallace
.6 Quinlan / Best
.5 O'Connell / O'Kelly
.4 Cullen / O'Callaghan
.3 Hayes / Buckley
.2 Jackman / Flannery
.1 Knoop / Horan

thats ideal,karmabass for ireland manager!

LeeroyJones

i don't know if it's possible to name a XV as such. What i would do is identify 30 odd players(preferably who will all still be around in 2011), and gradually drop the players who won't be around in 2011.

Props
Horan
Hayes
Healy
Buckley
Maybe this 6N start the first 2 but blood the other 2 for following season

Hookers
Flannery
Jackman

Second Rows
POC
DOC
Caldwell
Toner
POC+DOC to start with the others as understudies

Back Rows
Best
Quinlan
Wallace
Jennings
Heaslip
Leamy

Scrum Halves
Reddan
Boss
As it stands they would be my top 2 for WC2011

Fly Halves
O'Gara
Sexton
in 2 years i'd like to see Sexton first choice 10 as ROG gets on, i'd like to see ROG the man to bring on after an hour at the WC to see out+control a game

Centres
D'arcy
BOD
Trimble
Barry Murphy
Please can we have an alternative 12/13 if its needed in the future and at the world cup

Wingers
Fitzgerald
Kearney
Horgan
Dowling

Full Backs
Geordan Murphy
Johne Murphy (haven't heard much of him in the media here, but having watched a few Tigers matches, 2nd highest scorer there, I think he's worth developing, he has a lot of potential)

EdgarAllenPoo

Props
Horan
Hayes
Healy
Buckley


Hookers
Flannery
Jackman

Second Rows
POC
DOC
Donnacha Ryan
Bob Casey

Back Rows
Best
Quinlan
Wallace
Jennings
Heaslip
Leamy
Johnny O'Connor (well one of the reasons he's back in Connnacht was to get back in the Irish side and I have a feeling Quinlan may be asked to play in the second row so he;d be handy to have)

Scrum Halves
Reddan
Stringer

Fly Halves
O'Gara
Sexton
Ian Humphreys (it could hurt to try)

Centres
D'arcy
BOD
Trimble
Barry Murphy

Wingers
Fitzgerald
Kearney
Horgan
Dowling

Full Backs
Geordan Murphy
Girvan Dempsey
Gavin Duffy

Stev_o

Lads just wondering what are people's views on Bob Casey? He plays for London Irish at 2nd and himself and Nick Kennedy so far are the most succesfull second row in the premiership and in Europe. Anyone else think he's well dew some game time for us??? Captaining LI at the moment and doing a fine job i think he;s our man when looking for a second row

LeeroyJones

yes im a big fan of Casey, have called for his selection for a while now especially prior to the WC, didn't actually put him in the list of players above(just feel hes 29 now and by 2011 he's 33-not far too old mind you)