How to change the World?

Mahatma coat

Right come on then,

answers on a postcard to

Wellmaybeifwe at Boards.ie


Come on lads, we may all have different philosophical outlooks on the situation,

But We're all lookin at the same Elephant.



So whats the story? what are the conspiracies?
well we seem to have established them already, theres a lot, but most of them are interlinked in some way and controlled by a small group of people (possibly lizards - Probably Not)

How do they effect us?
apparently this small cabal of influential individuals wants to control the world and make us their slaves.

No seriously, how would they ever possibly do that in a free and democratic society?

Well they started out as bankers, and then the gained control of the production of money via such tools as the 'Bank of England' the 'Fedral Reserve' and many more countries along the way.
at this stage they have power over everything, politics, finance, media, industry, land, resources, religion the lot

this was all done in secrecy by people in very high positions in givernments around the world, the policies they implement span decades and generations.

they have created a world banking system based on the debts of entire nations to their banking institute the IMF.
they are using this to create a global government system consisting of APEC NATA And the EU with the rest considered hostile or the Third world.

This secret cabal goes by many names has had many members over the years and may or may not be a series of groups working with one single intent.


what I want to know is


How do we Stop Them?

humanji

Well firstly, you have to assume that there really is an underhanded organisation trying to enslave us all (and perhaps use us in Lizardman breeding programs, but we'll gloss over that). But if all this is true, then there's very little that we can do.

The first step is to expose the conspiators. But as is evident on this forum, that's easier said than done. The internet is full of people trying to expose the "truth", but there's no real evidence ever been provided, or what has been provided is easily dismissed.

Maybe it'd take someone on the inside to get the relevant proof, but that would take time and a hell of a lot of effort, plus, anyone who did manage to infiltrate this NWO, will be unlikely to be able to attain a high enough level to get any real information. It would take someone who was groomed all their life to fit in to the type of ideals that would allow them to be accepted, since it would be fairly easy for an organisation like the NWO to find out every detail of someones life.

But if you were to groom someone all their life to fulfill this role in the hope they'd get in, then you wouldn't be much better than the NWO, exploiting a person so as to further your own goals

So basically, you fall at the first hurdle. You can't get any real evidence, so nobody will believe you.

Mahatma coat

people will believe whatever you foist off on them and purport to be the truth if you tell them enought times and enforce the doctrine rigorously

you're right tho, the first step is to expose teh conspirators to the people.

after that tho I'm a bit stuckmeself

humanji

Well that's the problem. How many believe Bertie isn't corrupt? And how many are actively trying to get rid of him? If people don't feel that their lives are directly affected then they won't care.

And then what about the aftermath if change did occur? People will want change for the best, but someone will have to enforce it since people in general really couldn't be arsed trying for themselves. But once you put people in charcge, the power will get to them and they'll eventually start pulling the strings and forming their own NWO.

The phrase "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" isn't just a simple phrase. It's true on all levels. Give anyone a bit of power and it goes to their heads. They may mean well to begin with, but it always gets warped because different people want different things. It's impossible to have some sort of utopian society unless people are forced into it, ,in which case it isn't really a utopia.

Mahatma coat

Nail, head, ambulance doin 110 down the road.

spot on Humanji

Powerwise I dont know, some kind of open forum direct democracy thing.


see the thing is, as I see it we are heading towards a one world government system, where our finances will be handled digitally along with our identities.

wheras I am in favour of a unified planet without wars or borders, I'm not realy a fan of the system in place at the moment as Idont think thats were it will lead us

the current system has/will lead to our downfall FOR ALL BUT A FEW EXTREMLEY WEALTHY FAMILIES WHO WIL CONTROL EVERYTHING

Mahatma coat

what sort of changes do people want?

I feel like theres this constant struggle to 'Fight the System' but what do we actualy want, I'm sure many would cheer for the fall of the Evil MaCDonalds empire, but we'd probably miss bigmacs after a few weeks.

what do we need to change as a society to better ourselves, what is the message, where do we start?

Jocksereire

Personally i believe a new independent and proper investigation into september 11th 2001 is key and could be a catalyst to bring their happy elite clubs down.
Even people who believe the OBL story admit the there were cover ups in the report to avoid embarrassment, mistakes or incompentece. Others believe the cover up cover something alot more sinister. So lets have a proper report on the events warts and all. Lets follow the money trails, lets investigate statements, lets ungag the whistleblowers and see where it takes us.

Mahatma coat

Jockser it is so much bigger than any one event.

and murder of someone asknig the wrong questions generaly isnt

JohnnyBravo

Google want to take over the world
Havnt you seen their business plan

Mahatma coat

everybody 'wants' to take over the world man, havent you seen my CAMPAIGN for world domination?

WHEN I RULE THE WORLD THE BUSSES SHALL RUN ON TIME !

Jocksereire

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Jockser it is so much bigger than any one event.

and murder of someone asknig the wrong questions generaly isnt

of course this is bigger than just 911 but as i said i could be a catalyst.

Lets just imagine in a crazy world a proper investigation found out that elements within the US government cia fbi and military were lying (imagine that) and they did co ordinate the attacks, where do you think the hunt would stop? It would go right to the top. Interviews such as aaron russo stating the rockerfellers had fore knowledge of such an event, which would lead to a wild goose chase in caves in afgahnistan, would take place.

As i said i think it is key that a new investigation takes place otherwise i cannot see how they will be taken down


you lost me on the murder bit though what do you mean?

Mahatma coat

Jocksereire wrote: »

of course this is bigger than just 911 but as i said i could be a catalyst.

Lets just imagine in a crazy world a proper investigation found out that elements within the US government cia fbi and military were lying (imagine that) and they did co ordinate the attacks, where do you think the hunt would stop? It would go right to the top. Interviews such as aaron russo stating the rockerfellers had fore knowledge of such an event, which would lead to a wild goose chase in caves in afgahnistan, would take place.

As i said i think it is key that a new investigation takes place otherwise i cannot see how they will be taken down


you lost me on the murder bit though what do you mean?

we already know how an investigation will end up, it will be a long draw out procedure which will ultimately end up chasing its tail with no new conclusions and no further advancement to the cause.

the group i question have control over so much of the world that it would ber virtualy impossible to find someone independant who would be taken seriously by the general population.


the murder bit is a reference to the fact that so many 'Crazy People' disappear every year under suspect circumstances.

the 'Crazies' dedicare their entire lives to destroying these people, these people only need to say a word to one or 2 people and you are destroyed.

its a lot easier to silence a conspiracy than to expose it

Jocksereire

disagree with how you think and independent and proper investigation would end up.

jessop1

Hey Mahatma

I tend to agree with your pessimistic stance, in that I have no doubt as to the immense power and outright evil of the force that controls the world.

So what do you reckon is the solution?
It seems like there is none... if you look at this problem purely from a "material world" viewpoint.

Unfortunately, implanted belief systems such as religious beliefs or steadfast "scientific" beliefs (I use " " because so much of accepted sciene is built on assumtion after assumption and is in actual fact unproven) - which are a major part of how the masses are manipulated and controlled by the elite - kick in and stop us from considering other possibilities outside the conventional ones.

In my view, if you want to get to the heart of the matter and try to understand how/why this world is controlled and what the solution is to end it, you have to start thinking outside the box.

Mahatma coat

meglome wrote: »

ah jaysus lads. Firstly if any of you are smoking a lot of blow I’d stop immediately as the paranoia is getting scary.

"Just because you're Paranoid........"

This doesn’t mean I think there couldn’t be conspiracies, it's just that the so called 'proof' of them is mostly rubbish and conjecture.

thats an extremely blinkered view of the situation, most people here review all the evidence presented to them with an open mind and draw our own conclusions based on that, granted a lot of the 'evidence' is utter bollox but I for one refuse to dismiss anything out of hand without first giving it due consideration. course due consideration dosent take long in some cases (Lizardpeople anyone), and can often yield smal pieces of information you may otherwise have overlooked

It’s the same old chestnut, the fact we can’t prove they exist is proof that they exist.

is the lack of proof that they dont exist the same thing?


by your logic if you wish to dismis the conspiracy theorist as 'Crazies' then you have to take everything you have ever ben told by your Government and other officials as absolute truth ( even the bits that contradict themselves)

All I'm sayin is that if there is any doubt, then there is enough doubt to prompt further investigation.

meglome

Mahatma coat wrote: »

"Just because you're Paranoid........"
thats an extremely blinkered view of the situation, most people here review all the evidence presented to them with an open mind and draw our own conclusions based on that, granted a lot of the 'evidence' is utter bollox but I for one refuse to dismiss anything out of hand without first giving it due consideration. course due consideration dosent take long in some cases (Lizardpeople anyone), and can often yield smal pieces of information you may otherwise have overlooked is the lack of proof that they dont exist the same thing?

As I said they might well exist but stapling together numerous most likely random events isn't a conspiracy. Every day in this world of ours circumstances come together and out of the ordinary things happen. But it seems that if these things happen to someone or something famous there is always a conspiracy. But if it happens to someone or something not well known there's no conspiracy. If you read up on many of the train crashes that have in occurred in different countries. The majority were caused by several factors coming together to cause the crash. If any one of these things happened there wouldn’t have been and issue, even if a few of them happened, still no problem but all of them together caused the crash. It’s easy to say that there’s no way all these thing could happen together but it does happen. Is it a conspiracy in all these accidents or just random chance at work.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

by your logic if you wish to dismis the conspiracy theorist as 'Crazies' then you have to take everything you have ever ben told by your Government and other officials as absolute truth ( even the bits that contradict themselves).

I assume our government lies to us quite a lot, the only question is why. It's usually to cover their asses as they've ****ed up. People give way too much credit to governments in some of these conspiracies. Seriously governments really do have a tendency to be bureaucratic, inept and slow - and yet they somehow manage to work these huge conspiracies. I think not.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

All I'm sayin is that if there is any doubt, then there is enough doubt to prompt further investigation.

There's always doubt, but sometimes things just happen.

oscarBravo

jessop1 wrote: »

...steadfast "scientific" beliefs (I use " " because so much of accepted sciene is built on assumtion after assumption and is in actual fact unproven)...

That demonstrates a misunderstanding of science. Science doesn't aim to "prove" anything - merely to hypothesise as to the most likely explanation for observed facts. Science says "this is how we think it works, and here's how you can prove us wrong". In other words, science works on the basis of failing to disprove, rather than proving as such.

Kernel

meglome wrote: »

People give way too much credit to governments in some of these conspiracies. Seriously governments really do have a tendency to be bureaucratic, inept and slow - and yet they somehow manage to work these huge conspiracies. I think not.

A shadow government would not have the same constraints as a normal elected government. The conspiracy theories suggest that the elected governments are simply tools controlled by a larger network/global secret government. Given enough wealth and resources (and intelligent planning), controlling the world would not be that difficult.