Fianna Fail get away with it again...

smokinp

Shannon is all forgot about again...
Once again willie and the boys have delivered for limerick... My ass...
People should stop and tell willie what they think of him when he is marching around limerick with his smug smile...
This cannot be forgotten...
Man of the people my ass...
Man with a state car and nice little wage to mind more like...

Am i the only one thinking like this...

1huge1

Well I am a little annoyed how this has been forgotten about but there is little anyone can do now.

phog

smokinp wrote: »

Shannon is all forgot about again...
Once again willie and the boys have delivered for limerick... My ass...
People should stop and tell willie what they think of him when he is marching around limerick with his smug smile...
This cannot be forgotten...
Man of the people my ass...
Man with a state car and nice little wage to mind more like...

Am i the only one thinking like this...

What are you referring to? What has happened now?

Mr E

I think he is saying that nothing is happening. The whole issue has dropped completely off the radar....

highlydebased

Indeed I was going to post about this....

Willie promised "a replacment airline would be in place by January 31st"

That aint gonna be happening now....

Poxyshamrock

Yeah it's old news and even while it was still "news" i felt it was just repeating itself over and over again.
The only thing Willie O'Dea (and every other politician) cares about is his bank account.

ninty9er

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

Yeah it's old news and even while it was still "news" i felt it was just repeating itself over and over again.
The only thing Willie O'Dea (and every other politician) cares about is his bank account.

I'm leaving myself open to attak on all sides here...but do you people honestly think that if it isn't in the news it means nothing is happening.

a) politicians don't get into politics for the pay...that's ridiculous. All 5 (or at least 3) of the Limerick East crew would be much better off in the private sector .
b)Just because YOU haven't heard it in the news doesn't mean it isn't causing consternation in the FG parliamentary party meeting, the LAB pp meeting or the FF pp meeting every week. To think like that is just plain naive!

Not that I'm any more clued in on the progress than any of you...but I don't think any TD in the region has forgotten about this!

bazz26

Just remember it on election day when we can make a difference. Hit them where it hurts them the most, votes!

Also let them know this everytime they come knocking at your door looking for your support.

smokinp

i agree not all of our TD's got into politics for "the money".
there are some who are genuine but i believe that the vast majority are in it for the wrong reasons.
the likes of willie o dea are puppets for the goverment who would not dare go against the party line..
willie has shown his true colours over shannon... YELLOW...

rok

bazz26 wrote: »

Just remember it on election day when we can make a difference. Hit them where it hurts them the most, votes!

Also let them know this everytime they come knocking at your door looking for your support.

you said it brudder!
As pointed out here before Fianna Fail will hopefully get feck all votes from Limerick East next time round ........ so no surprise then that Limerick East (Limerick City) is to lose a seat in next election, of course this is under the recommendations of the independant Constituency Commission.

ninty9er

rok wrote: »

of course this is under the recommendations of the independant Constituency Commission.

Oh come off it!!

angeleyes

Just remember it on election day when we can make a difference. Hit them where it hurts them the most, votes!

Also let them know this everytime they come knocking at your door looking for your support.

You had your chance in May and Fianna Fail were voted back in.

To be honest who ever voted for this shower were conned and well you deserve the Govt you vote for.

bazz26

angeleyes wrote: »

You had your chance in May and Fianna Fail were voted back in.

To be honest who ever voted for this shower were conned and well you deserve the Govt you vote for.

They didn't get my vote.

angeleyes

They didn't get my vote.

Nor mine bazz

rok

angeleyes wrote: »

You had your chance in May and Fianna Fail were voted back in.

To be honest who ever voted for this shower were conned and well you deserve the Govt you vote for.

I'm sick of hearing this crap.... I voted against a Fianna Fail Government last time as did all of my family
would the results of Fianna Fáil and the PDs losing 10 seats and Fine Gael gaining 20 not reflect that a lot of people voted for change ? so I dont buy this sentiment "well you voted them back in so you deserve em"
Must get one of those car stickers I've seen around - "Don't Blame me, I didn't vote FF !"

angeleyes

If you get a bumper sticker then I will buy one off you.

But even though "we" didn't vote for FF and PD's but plenty others did. They listened to FF when it came to the economy and conveniently forgot about the health service etc.

So for those who did vote FF - well now you know!

Liam Byrne

angeleyes wrote: »

If you get a bumper sticker then I will buy one off you.

I want one too! Maybe we could get photos relating to all their cock-ups and print them on it ?

Oh, hang on, I don't wear XXXXXXXXXXXL so maybe there isn't enough room.....

But anyone who's complaining about O'Dea & Co doing nothing "since" has been simple naieve.......they didn't vote against the cock-up or back the proposals to reverse the decision (as the Govt could & should have done as shareholders) so what were the realistic chances of them doing anything that involved more work than simply saying "I don't agree" ?

galwayrush

Neon-Circles wrote: »

Indeed I was going to post about this....

Willie promised "a replacment airline would be in place by January 31st"

That aint gonna be happening now....

Silly, that's the 31st of January AFTER the next General Election.:rolleyes:

Liam Byrne

galwayrush wrote: »

Silly, that's the 31st of January AFTER the next General Election.:rolleyes:

Don't think so.....it'll be the 31st of January immediately BEFORE the next General Election so that we can listen to FF clap themselves on the back and declare how wonderful they are :rolleyes:

AFTER an election once they're in their cosy overpaid jobs* they just sit back and let **** happen.

*And please, posters, don't do a Bertie and claim that they're underpaid in comparison to industry.....in industry if you cock up you get fired and you don't get a pension after a few years.....

Poxyshamrock

ninty9er wrote: »

I'm leaving myself open to attak on all sides here...but do you people honestly think that if it isn't in the news it means nothing is happening.

I really doubt much is happening anyway. Call me pessimistic but with the whole Breast Cancer fiasco going on at the moment The Dail seems all over the place tbh.

Things probably are happening behind the scenes but at the end of the day...nothing will happen...it's just been too long now and no good has come yet.

Xennon

I didn't vote in the last election, simply because there was no-one I felt comfortable with. As far as I'm concerned, it was one goon vs another. I want to see ballot papers with a 'none of the above' option, if this option becomes a majority vote then the parties have to go get some other people to put forward.

Politics in Ireland has a history of corruption and underhandedness, Hence, anyone with integrity is slow to get involved, leaving only the bottom of the barrel for our selection.

Ive had too many experiences of this so called Celtic Tiger to feel comfortable in the future of this country and those who put forward to tun it. We are supposed to be one of the wealthiest countries in Europe, yet we are closing hospitals.

As soon as I can, I'm outta here.

DarkJager

The blame over these crises lays firmly with every single moron who voted this useless shower of bastards back in. For years and years, their failure to run this country to an efficient standard has been blindingly obvious, but still, people actually went out on polling day and put them back into government. Shame on every single one of you for signing us up for another 5 years of this idiocy.

MonsieurD

The arrogance of these w****ers!
They ordered all party members how to vote on the no confidence motion in Mary Harney. ORDERED HOW TO VOTE! on an issue that will directly effect every person in Ireland (OUR HEALTH SYSTEM).

No FF member was allowed to think for themselves. God, why do we put up with them!

This "Ordering on how to vote" is Dictatorship in full flow. We are now a dictatorship.

FF obviously believe they are no longer answerable to the people on any issue. No matter how badly they do their job or how badly they represent their constituents, they are never to blame for anything.

And no FF member is better at supporting the dictator than Willie.

professore

There are several things wrong with some of the comments in this thread:
1. If you didn't vote or voted for FF you have only yourself to blame.
2. Do people still believe that the government have ANY influence over who does or doesn't fly in or out of shannon? no they don't.
3. Why do people want to get rid of Mary Harney? Who are you going to get instead? At least she has had some positive effect, unlike her predecessors. She can hardly be blamed for an incompetent radiologist in Portlaoise. Why is Bertie not held responsible ????? Or Micheal Martin and Brian Cowen as previous health ministers? Or more to the point heads should roll in Portlaoise - and also lose their pensions, and go to jail for criminal negligence. That would happen in the private sector.

The problem is THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

Placid Casual

Willie O;Dea for taoiseach

angeleyes

Willie O;Dea for taoiseach

who?

Amazotheamazing

professore wrote: »

2. Do people still believe that the government have ANY influence over who does or doesn't fly in or out of shannon? no they don't.

The problem is THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

So why bother holding on to 25% of the shares, or incidentally, give American troops permission to land there?

I'm sure both of those things could be influenced by the Government, useless shower of bastards.

Delphi91

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

...or incidentally, give American troops permission to land there?

I'm sure both of those things could be influenced by the Government, useless shower of bastards.

Because you can be sure that if the gov decided to stop the troop planes landing in Shannon, the US would take a totally different view of Ireland. You've got to remember that even though we're not officially allied with the US, we're heavily dependent on them - Microsoft, Dell, etc. How many of them would re-consider their position here if we stopped troop planes landing. Whatever about the morality of letting them land here, lets not kid ourselves, we have very little choice.

Liam Byrne

Delphi91 wrote: »

Because you can be sure that if the gov decided to stop the troop planes landing in Shannon, the US would take a totally different view of Ireland.

Who says ? I mean who says that Michael Dell, etc, are supporters of an ill-conceived and unjust war ?

Has anyone asked them ?

And as for the greater American public, at least 49% of them would agree with us.

Plus, on a deeper level, you've implied that profit and economic considerations should come before truth, honesty, integrity, ethics and human life.....probably the same thinking that has drug dealers worldwide justifying their actions.

ninty9er

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Plus, on a deeper level, you've implied that profit and economic considerations should come before truth, honesty, integrity, ethics and human life.....probably the same thinking that has drug dealers worldwide justifying their actions.

Not really, I'm sure you couldn't give a sh1t about US troops in Shannon if it meant the difference between your kids eating or not due to economic implications, whereas I'm sure you wouldn't go out selling coke or heroin to ensure they eat!!

galwayrush

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Who says ? I mean who says that Michael Dell, etc, are supporters of an ill-conceived and unjust war ?

Has anyone asked them ?

And as for the greater American public, at least 49% of them would agree with us.

Plus, on a deeper level, you've implied that profit and economic considerations should come before truth, honesty, integrity, ethics and human life.....probably the same thinking that has drug dealers worldwide justifying their actions.

All the US Goverment has to do is apply some excessive tax on goods manufactured here, Michael Dell can't do much about that.
As for Truth, Honesty. etc, a " moral victory" won't count for much if all US companies pull out of here with the economic chaos that would follow.

hobie

Couldn't help but notice the statement in Belfast just a couple of days ago .... "We have ridden out the unexpected controversy of EI pulling out of the Shannon - LHR route and are now moving on" .....

Don't you just love a story with a happy ending .... :cool:

Liam Byrne

ninty9er wrote: »

Not really, I'm sure you couldn't give a sh1t about US troops in Shannon if it meant the difference between your kids eating or not due to economic implications, whereas I'm sure you wouldn't go out selling coke or heroin to ensure they eat!!

You have a partial point, and it's called active vs passive involvement.

But it's still an involvement, it's still illegal and it's still causing deaths.

If you want to break it down in court terms as murderer vs accessory to murder, go ahead, but someone could just as easily argue that the people buying cocaine and heroin have made that choice while those being or that have been murdered in Iraq have no choice.

Xennon

you've implied that profit and economic considerations should come before truth, honesty, integrity, ethics and human life.....probably the same thinking that has drug dealers worldwide justifying their actions.

Not just drug dealers, but industry, governments, countries, religious deities, throughout history profit and economic considerations have come before humanitarian interest. Why should it be different now. Its in our nature to be greedy, its part of our animal instincts, its what drives us as so-called civilized human beings. To accumulate is our right, to take for ourselves what we 'need' is our right or so we seem to believe.

Why weren't we given the opportunity to vote on the American use of Shannon?
What would the backlash be if we said no?
Would we say no?
Are we now guilty by association for crimes the Bush administration may be found guilty of?
Do we really care?

The western world (including Ireland) needs oil, they have oil.

ninty9er

Xennon wrote: »

Are we now guilty by association for crimes the Bush administration may be found guilty of?

Would anybody care if it was a Democrat administration?

Delphi91

Liam Byrne wrote: »

...Plus, on a deeper level, you've implied that profit and economic considerations should come before truth, honesty, integrity, ethics and human life.....

I haven't implied that profit and economic considerations should (my emphasis) come before truth, etc at all - that's your interpretation. I don't think that they should.

But lets not kid ourselves here. Answer me this - why haven't we stopped US planes landing in Shannon? What reason do you think the Government has? Do you think the Government compared truth, honest, integrity, ethics and human life against profit and economic considerations? If it did, what conclusion do you think they came to?

The US have said that all they need is a base on this side of the Atlantic to refuel. They've said many times that they could land in Scotland. How come they haven't done so?

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have a figure for the amount of revenue generated by the US troop planes landing in Shannon? I'm not just talking about landing fees. I'm talking about the secondary spinoffs - employment, goods and services purchased, hotel rooms booked, cars rented, etc, etc. I would imagine that the figure is reasonably large.

Xennon

In answer to a previous post slamming those who voted FF or didn't vote at all (I am one of the latter), who exactly are we to vote for? The list of munkees (I used a different spelling so as not to insult our close relatives) that was presented to me on the ballot paper meant I couldn't vote as I had no belief in any of them.
Now had there been a 'none of the above' box, My big X would be there. Democracy has a flaw, it doesn't count those who are not happy with the line up of candidates. Spoiling the ballot does not give a representation of such feelings, so I didn't vote.
What professional capable of doing a decent job, would bother with getting into politics? They'd be far more successful in the private sector, so all we seem to get in the political sector are chancer's. Thats been my experience thus far anyway.

ninty9er

Xennon wrote: »

They'd be far more successful in the private sector, so all we seem to get in the political sector are chancer's. Thats been my experience thus far anyway.

Many of our politicians have been successful in the private sector....John McGuinness from Kilkenny is a very wealthy man who got into politics and is doing very well as minister for Trade.

I'm actually tempted to go into politics, but sometimes the public attitude would sicken you. If any other employer fu<ked you over as much as the public do to politicians (of all parties) they'd be in front of a tribunal pronto!

Xennon

And in return if any employee behaved like some of our political representatives they would be fired and probably sued.