reraise on flop question

rrtt

Im a little confused about the following hand. tumpp888 calls a flop bet of 35.70, johnny1ball calls , raffael12 goes all in for 37, tumppu888 then reraises to 185.70. How can he do this ? I thought tumpp888 could just call the extra 1.30. Surely he cant raise here. anyway here is the hand history. could somebody shed some light on this please. hand was played on ongame network

OMAHA_HI, POT_LIMIT, P4-54402102-244
played at "Abilene" for USD RM from 2007-11-22 07:42 until 2007-11-22 07:43
Seat 1: DnRs ($198 in chips)
Seat 4: anothersite ($150 in chips)
Seat 5: porivern ($242 in chips)
Seat 6: Tumppu888 ($586.80 in chips)
Seat 7: johnny1ball ($148.50 in chips)
Seat 8: raffael12 ($46 in chips)
Seat 9: jippo79 ($152 in chips)
Seat 10: 2baked2win ($39.70 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
DnRs posts blind ($2), anothersite posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
porivern calls $2, Tumppu888 calls $2, johnny1ball calls $2, raffael12 bets $4, jippo79 folds, 2baked2win calls $4, DnRs folds, anothersite folds, porivern calls $2, Tumppu888 calls $2, johnny1ball calls $2.

FLOP [board cards: JH,2S,4C ]
porivern checks, Tumppu888 checks, johnny1ball bets $5, raffael12 calls $5, 2baked2win bets $35.70 and is all-in, porivern folds, Tumppu888 calls $35.70, johnny1ball calls $30.70, raffael12 bets $37 and is all-in, Tumppu888 bets $185.70, johnny1ball calls $108.80 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards: JH,2S,4C,8D ]


RIVER [board cards: JH,2S,4C,8D,3H ]


SHOWDOWN
Tumppu888 shows [ JD,TD,JS,AC ]
johnny1ball shows [ 5S,6H,3S,7C ]
raffael12 shows [ 6S,5H,KD,2D ]
2baked2win shows [ 2H,7S,AS,2C ]
Tumppu888 wins $76.90, johnny1ball wins $205, johnny1ball wins $9.45, raffael12 wins $9.45, johnny1ball wins $81.90, raffael12 wins $81.90.
SUMMARY
Dealer: 2baked2win
Pot: $467.60, (including rake: $3)
DnRs, loses $2
anothersite, loses $2
porivern, loses $4
Tumppu888, loses $148.50
johnny1ball, bets $148.50, collects $296.35, net $147.85
raffael12, bets $46, collects $91.35, net $45.35
jippo79, loses $0
2baked2win, loses $39.70

WH BONNEY

Ooops, misread the action.

Not sure how this was allowed.

JackBlack

What site was this taken from?

Tumppu888 shouldnt have been allowed to push all-in because raffael12's all-in re-raise of 1.50 was not a full bet, Tumppu888 should have only been given the option of fold or call 1.50 not bet

rrtt

This hand took place on betsson which is on the ongame network. im going to email support and see what they have to say.

rrtt

live support admit that the hand looks very strange. It is being sent for review. I will post their reply when i get it

rrtt

I have received the reply from support and I still dont understand. Am I missing something here ? Would this raise be allowed on any other site ? What does "the betting for this hand had not yet been capped" mean ?

Dear Paul,



Thank you for playing at Betsson.



We have now recieved an answer from our pokernetwork and the inform the player "Tumppu888" was able to re-raise in this hand as their actions during the hand after the flop was check, call and then they raised the all in bet from another player as the betting for this hand had not yet been capped.

Have a nice evening.



Please do not hesitate to contact us again should you have any further questions.



Best regards

Petra

Betsson Support



--- Original Message ---
From: "OngameNetwork Support" <support@ongamenetwork.com>
Received: 11/22/07 6:29:25 PM CET
To: support-en@betsson.com
Subject: [OngameNetwork #3125200]: johnny1ball en chat


Hi,

Thank you for contacting OngameNetwork Support.

In the hand number P4-54402102-244, the player "Tumppu888" was able to re-raise in this hand as their actions during the hand after the flop was check, call and then they raised the all in bet from another player as the betting for this hand had not yet been capped.

Should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards,
Quinton

OngameNetwork Support Team

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www.ongamenetwork.com
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:42:44 -0500, support-en@betsson.com wrote:
> Hi Ongame,
>
>
> Alias: johnny1ball
> Ongame ID: 14244395
> Betsson
>
>
> C contacted us about this hand number.
>
>
> P4-54402102-244
>
> How come Tumppu888 could reraise in this hand?
>
> Please have a look at this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tommi
>
> Betsson Support

RoundTower

ongame is broken.

The customer service guy is probably retarded and thinks it is a limit hand or found the rules for limit games, email him again and ask him to forward the hand to someone who plays poker.

phantom_lord

I've yet to deal with a customer service person on a poker site that wasn't retarded.

ArmaniJeanss

I've played about 800 STTs on OnGame and never seen anything like this, up to now I'd have sworn that the underraise rule was always implemented correctly.
They do have some unique rules though (min bet of 2BB on turn for example) so I'm not surprised that there is a loophole in their code that allowed this underraise through.
I'd try support again, though you'll probably be banging your head off a brick wall.

mdwexford

A min bet of two BB on the turn and no under-raise rule!!!

wtf, worst site ever

rrtt

Here is the latest response from betsson. It seems to contradict what happened in the hand. I have been on to support and they have sent the hand off for review again.

Dear Paul,



Thank you for playing at Betsson. Your tracking ID for this inquiry is 287417.



We have now received an answer from Ongame, our Pokernetwork.

Players may bet or raise any amount over the minimum raise up to all of the chips the player has at the table (called an all-in bet). If someone wishes to re-raise, they must raise at least the amount of the previous raise. For example, if the big blind is $2 and there is a bet of $6 to a total of $8, a raise must be at least $6 more for a total of $14. If a raise or re-raise is all-in and does not equal the size of the previous raise, the initial raiser can not re-raise again. This only matters of course if there was a call before the re-raise.

The betting for this hand had not yet been capped means that the player was able to re-raise as an option as his bet was more then the previous raises.

Please do not hesitate to contact us again should you have any further questions.



Best regards

Iman

Betsson Support

Mellor

I think in thee situations you need to spell it out for support.
highlight the call of 35, the underraise and the re-raise. Spell out how this was wrong so that they can't give you a generic raise capping response

JackBlack

"Players may bet or raise any amount over the minimum raise up to all of the chips the player has at the table (called an all-in bet). If someone wishes to re-raise, they must raise at least the amount of the previous raise. For example, if the big blind is $2 and there is a bet of $6 to a total of $8, a raise must be at least $6 more for a total of $14. If a raise or re-raise is all-in and does not equal the size of the previous raise, the initial raiser can not re-raise again. This only matters of course if there was a call before the re-raise."

That looks correct to me but support just dont seem to understand the above text that they sent to you.
Solution? Dont play on betsson. I know fulltilt have this rule correctly implemented and i`m sure all the other major sites have it working correctly 2 so just pick 1 of the bigger names

5starpool

I am guessing there is some hole in their software that only prevents the initial reraiser, not the flat caller to the reraise from shipping on an underraise.

rrtt

the latest reply from ongame.

Dear Paul,



Thank you for playing at Betsson.



We are contacting you in regards to your poker issue. Our Ongame network has gotten back to us and states that they have reviewed the hand number P4-54402102-244, and confirm that all the players got the options to bet, raise and re-raise as per the rules of the game. We kindly advise that if a player goes all in with a bet or raise, rather than a call, another special rule comes into play. In the round mentioned above the "half bet rule" was implemented. Please see the details below.

A player may complete an incomplete raise, if that player still has the right to raise (in other words, if that player has not yet acted in the betting round, or has not yet acted since the last full bet or raise). The act of completing a bet or raise reopens the betting to other remaining opponents.

Should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.



Please do not hesitate to contact us again should you have any further questions.



Best regards

Nick

Betsson Support

5starpool

That still does not answer the question. Do they not have a breeze what they are talking about or what?

cardshark202

Good god this support is retarded. Possibly worse than Noble support..