Who are the 5 greatest football teams of the TV Age?

EoimarMuppet

Its all about opinions!!!!
1. Kerry 78-85
2. Dublin 74-78
3. Tyrone 2005
4. Meath 86-92
5. Down 90-94

Mr. Incognito

What about Cork 89-91?
The current Kerry team ?-5 All Ireland finals in a row, winning three is pretty much a dynasty.
Armagh 2000-2005?


Kerry 75-86 without a doubt is the greatest team. 8 All Irelands in 13 seasons is amazing.

75,78,79,80,81,84,85,86 is impressive reading.

EoimarMuppet

This Kerry team are truly a great team, BUT i dont think they face the same level of opposition the previously mentioned teams have.
Armagh...........now your having a laugh! One All Ireland!!! I incl tyrone 2005 because player for player they are the greatest team i have seen since the Kerry team of the 80's. Not anymore, but that year, in 05, all fit.....unbelievable.
Cork 89-91 not far off the Down team.
As i said, all about opinions! Galway at the turn of the century not too far off either.

aidan24326

LiamWalkinstown wrote: »

Its all about opinions!!!!
1. Kerry 78-85
2. Dublin 74-78
3. Tyrone 2005
4. Meath 86-92
5. Down 90-94

Galway 98-01 were better than Down 91-94 (IMO) And Meath 86-92 should be in second place behind Kerry, they were a superb team. Incredible never-say-die attitude. Hard bast*rds who could play football too. Id say:

1.Kerry78-85 (Mike Sheehy, Pat Spillane, Paidi, Jacko, John Egan, Ogie Moran, Bomber Liston, enough said)
2.Meath 86-92 (I don't think we'll see their like again. They must have been a dream to manage, lads who'd die with their boots on. Had class footballers and could beat you either way, playing football or kicking the sh1t out of you)
3.Dublin 74-78 (Probably the first superstar team of the TV generation, the game is played at a faster pace now though and the likes of JK would definitely need to be shedding a few pounds)
4.Galway 98-01(call me biased but this team won with style and had skilful players in every position, no dirt, no negativity, just classy attacking football)
5.Tyrone 03-05(close call here, with Down 91-94, and not forgetting Cork 87-93, reached 5 finals in that period. But Tyrone in 05 took it to another level, they played with an intensity and fervour that was hard to match, and will be hard for them to repeat again)

EoimarMuppet

Aidan if I go over to you!!!!!!!! Meath 89 era were great, but better then Dublin 74-78/79!!!!
5 All Ireland Final in a row, 3 wins.........ah Aidan come on lad!!!

aidan24326

LiamWalkinstown wrote: »

Aidan if I go over to you!!!!!!!! Meath 89 era were great, but better then Dublin 74-78/79!!!!
5 All Ireland Final in a row, 3 wins.........ah Aidan come on lad!!!

Now now Liam, you said it was all just opinions!

There wouldn't be much in it, I suppose I'm too young(31) to have seen the Dubs team of the 70's (except for All-Ireland gold and the like) whereas I remember Meath of the late 80's early 90's clearly.

Also if I wanted to be pedantic about it I could argue that Dublin 74-78 were not in the TV age as very few games were shown live back then, All-Ireland semis and final and that was about it. I think it was early 90s that the curent format of live games every Sunday kicked off, and it's notable that the popularity and overall profile of the game has increased since, even though there was huge resistance to it initially.

EoimarMuppet

Pedant!!!!:mad:.............................................:D

Kerry On Tour

aidan24326 wrote: »

Galway 98-01 were better than Down 91-94 (IMO) And Meath 86-92 should be in second place behind Kerry, they were a superb team. Incredible never-say-die attitude. Hard bast*rds who could play football too. Id say:

1.Kerry78-85 (Mike Sheehy, Pat Spillane, Paidi, Jacko, John Egan, Ogie Moran, Bomber Liston, enough said)
2.Meath 86-92 (I don't think we'll see their like again. They must have been a dream to manage, lads who'd die with their boots on. Had class footballers and could beat you either way, playing football or kicking the sh1t out of you)
3.Dublin 74-78 (Probably the first superstar team of the TV generation, the game is played at a faster pace now though and the likes of JK would definitely need to be shedding a few pounds)
4.Galway 98-01(call me biased but this team won with style and had skilful players in every position, no dirt, no negativity, just classy attacking football)
5.Tyrone 03-05(close call here, with Down 91-94, and not forgetting Cork 87-93, reached 5 finals in that period. But Tyrone in 05 took it to another level, they played with an intensity and fervour that was hard to match, and will be hard for them to repeat again)

Current Kerry team should no doubt be above Galway and Tyrone there. 4 finals in a row. 5 out of 6. 6 out of 8!!! All impressive reading. Won 4 of the 6 they have played in this century and won 3 out of 4. Bounced back from massive disappointment in '05 to win 2 in a row! Called me biased if you want but there is absolutely no disputing those facts!

aidan24326

Kerry On Tour wrote: »

Current Kerry team should no doubt be above Galway and Tyrone there. 4 finals in a row. 5 out of 6. 6 out of 8!!! All impressive reading. Won 4 of the 6 they have played in this century and won 3 out of 4. Bounced back from massive disappointment in '05 to win 2 in a row! Called me biased if you want but there is absolutely no disputing those facts!

You do have a point, the current Kerry team have been remarkably consistent. But it's just an opinion either way and sure we could argue these sort of things forever and a day. If Kerry can do the three in a row next year they will certainly be up there with the great teams.

Kerry On Tour

aidan24326 wrote: »

You do have a point, the current Kerry team have been remarkably consistent. But it's just an opinion either way and sure we could argue these sort of things forever and a day. If Kerry can do the three in a row next year they will certainly be up there with the great teams.

Don't think I am attacking you now or anything but it kind of sums up the attitude really. Kerry have to do something remarkable like win 3 in a row before being considered one of the greats whereas there have been teams mentioned. Down 91-94; won 2 all irelands in 4 seasons and didn't even win their province on either of the other occassions and Tyrone 2003-2005 where they had 2 remarkable years but let's be honest; other than that they have been indifferent. Quarter final 2002, 2004, 2007 and qualifiers 2006 yet are being mentioned as one of the greats.
I think Dublin teams will suffer the same, even if they do indeed come good they will forever be compared with that team from 74-79.
My honest opinion is
1.) Kerry 70's-80's no doubt
2.) Dublin 70's follows closely
3.) Current Kerry era
4.) & 5.) Could all be argued with valid points by representatives of Meath 87-91 & Meath 96-99. Cork 87-90. Down 91&94. Galway 98-01. Tyrone 03&05. Dublin 92-95 (3 finals out of 4 and 1 all ireland, I'm sure the current Dublin team would take that record now) I think also Offally deserve a mention 80-82, slightly further down the pecking order but should be mentioned.

blackbelt

What about Dublin from 92-95?Sure they only won it once but they were formidable as hell.

Also,Meath 96-99
Donegal 92...Magnus Boyle and co
Derry 93
Offaly 81-82

Not necessarily in the top 5 but they have a strong case.

aidan24326

Kerry on Tour, I meant one of the great teams as in all-time greats, not just the TV age. Any team that does 3 in a row deserves that accolade, and it's probably even harder to do these days than it was years ago. Although I do think the overall standard has dipped a bit in the last couple of years. Kerry are currently some distance ahead of everyone with only Dublin being anywhere close to them.

Blackbelt, who or what is Magnus Lally?

blackbelt

That was supposed to be Manus Boyle,sorry my bad.

scaramanga

lads yer underrating te current kerry team! the only threat next year is themselves. as for the level of cometition in the 79 early 80s connacht and ulster football was a joke

Flukey

Dublin reached 6 finals in a row in the 70s: 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1979, not 5. As to the 5 best teams of the TV age, well that's an easy one:

Dublin, Dublin, Dublin, Dublin and of course, yes, you guessed it: Dublin. You may scoff. However, if you take the TV age as being from the 1970s (though it goes a lot longer back than that), then it is an indisputable fact that no other county won the 1974, 1976, 1977, 1983 and 1995 All-Ireland Finals, not even the great Kerry teams. During the TV age the great Kerry teams did not even win one Leinster Final. In fact they did not even reach one. No Kerry club won the Dublin or Leinster Club championships in the TV age. I could go on. The same failings could be attributed to many other counties. None of the above facts can be challenged. So there you have it, like I said, the best 5 teams of the TV age are Dublin, Dublin, Dublin, Dublin and Dublin.

K-9

Can't really comment on the 70's Kerry and Dublin teams. Fantastic achievement but as Micko used to say "Cork where the second best team in Ireland then!"

If you go on All Ireland wins only, that does a disservice to the Meath team from 86-92 and Armagh from 00-06. How many games did they both play to reach the finals in 91 and 03?

Anyway:

1. Kerry 75-86
2. Dublin 74-79
3. Meath 86-91
4. Tyrone 03-05
5. Armagh 00-06

To me, if you have Tyrone in the selection, you have to have Armagh, there was nothing between those 2 teams.Tyrone also have to be ahead of the current Kerry team, because they beat this Kerry team when it mattered.

This Kerry team needs a 3 in a row. It's unfair to compare them to Down say, 2 AI's 91-94, as there was no qualifiers and they had 2 other All Ireland champions of the time in the same province. Munster is a little bit softer than that! I'd say Kerry would be on a par to what Down achieved in the 90's.

After that there's a lot of good teams. Kerry 97-00, Cork 87-90, Meath 96-99, Galway 98-01 but IMO just below the above teams.

Nalced_irl

Flukey wrote: »

Dublin reached 6 finals in a row in the 70s: 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1979, not 5. As to the 5 best teams of the TV age, well that's an easy one:

Dublin, Dublin, Dublin, Dublin and of course, yes, you guessed it: Dublin. You may scoff. However, if you take the TV age as being from the 1970s (though it goes a lot longer back than that), then it is an indisputable fact that no other county won the 1974, 1976, 1977, 1983 and 1995 All-Ireland Finals, not even the great Kerry teams. During the TV age the great Kerry teams did not even win one Leinster Final. In fact they did not even reach one. No Kerry club won the Dublin or Leinster Club championships in the TV age. I could go on. The same failings could be attributed to many other counties. None of the above facts can be challenged. So there you have it, like I said, the best 5 teams of the TV age are Dublin, Dublin, Dublin, Dublin and Dublin.

I really have to agree here. 74, 76, 77, 83 and 95 were by far the most difficult All Irelands to win in the TV age and Dublin won em all. Also The Leinsters have always been the REAL All Ireland, after that its just for fun and the day out. And also the Dublin Championship is the tournament where all pundits look for the coming years Allstars so +1 agree with Flukey

K-9

Have to agree lads, That was some one man team yous beat in 95. How much did he score?

Know how yous feel to, sure Ulster was the All Ireland Championship from 91-94 and it was a real championship!;)

Kerry On Tour

Seanies32 wrote: »

Can't really comment on the 70's Kerry and Dublin teams. Fantastic achievement but as Micko used to say "Cork where the second best team in Ireland then!"

If you go on All Ireland wins only, that does a disservice to the Meath team from 86-92 and Armagh from 00-06. How many games did they both play to reach the finals in 91 and 03?

Anyway:

1. Kerry 75-86
2. Dublin 74-79
3. Meath 86-91
4. Tyrone 03-05
5. Armagh 00-06

To me, if you have Tyrone in the selection, you have to have Armagh, there was nothing between those 2 teams.Tyrone also have to be ahead of the current Kerry team, because they beat this Kerry team when it mattered.

This Kerry team needs a 3 in a row. It's unfair to compare them to Down say, 2 AI's 91-94, as there was no qualifiers and they had 2 other All Ireland champions of the time in the same province. Munster is a little bit softer than that! I'd say Kerry would be on a par to what Down achieved in the 90's.

After that there's a lot of good teams. Kerry 97-00, Cork 87-90, Meath 96-99, Galway 98-01 but IMO just below the above teams.

This is not my own bias getting in the way here but how can you rank Armagh of that era above the current Kerry team when the Kerry team beat them twice and some how managed to throw away that game in '02. Fair play to Armagh and everything for the way they dug deep but Kerry should have been out of sight at half time and wasted three chances in the last 10 minutes to rescue the game. If the Tyrone team of that era managed to come back and do it again and again you would have a fair point but they haven't so that is why I would rank the current team slightly above them but way ahead of that Armagh team.

K-9

Well Tyrone came back in 05 and did it beating Kerry in both years and have the potential to come back again. Tyrone beat Kerry when it mattered.

On Armagh and 02, that's sour grapes. Armagh won fair and square. If you say Kerry shoold have had Armagh out of sight by half time, Armagh could say the same about the QF in 06.

Armagh continuosly won Ulster with Tyrone as serious challengers and 2/3 other decent sides. Kerry can't point to the same competition in Munster, a fact they moan about themselves. You can only beat what is put in front of you but, to me, Tyrone in 05 was the toughest won AI this decade. The 02, 03 and 05 where at a higher level than other years.

Armagh got to an AI in 03 with a much tougher route than Kerry in the last 2 years and they nearly beat Tyrone in 05. If Kerry get the 3 in a row, I'd put them ahead then.

johnnyrotten123

Seanies32 wrote: »

Can't really comment on the 70's Kerry and Dublin teams. Fantastic achievement but as Micko used to say "Cork where the second best team in Ireland then!"

If you go on All Ireland wins only, that does a disservice to the Meath team from 86-92 and Armagh from 00-06. How many games did they both play to reach the finals in 91 and 03?

Anyway:

1. Kerry 75-86
2. Dublin 74-79
3. Meath 86-91
4. Tyrone 03-05
5. Armagh 00-06

To me, if you have Tyrone in the selection, you have to have Armagh, there was nothing between those 2 teams.Tyrone also have to be ahead of the current Kerry team, because they beat this Kerry team when it mattered.

This Kerry team needs a 3 in a row. It's unfair to compare them to Down say, 2 AI's 91-94, as there was no qualifiers and they had 2 other All Ireland champions of the time in the same province. Munster is a little bit softer than that! I'd say Kerry would be on a par to what Down achieved in the 90's.

After that there's a lot of good teams. Kerry 97-00, Cork 87-90, Meath 96-99, Galway 98-01 but IMO just below the above teams.

The only issue I'd take with this is you can't really pick Kerry, for example, from an 11-year year period from 1975-1986 and label them under one football team. They were two different teams really. As far as I can tell, there was only five players who played in both of those finals - Paidi, Ogie Moran, Pat Splillane, Sheehy and Ger Power - and of those Paidi switched from wing to corner back, Power went from wing-back to corner-forward and there were a couple of other small changes too (judging from the starting line-ups at least).

I think you would nearly have to split Kerry in that period into two sides - the four-in-a-row side and the 84-86 team.

Kerry On Tour

johnnyrotten123 wrote: »

The only issue I'd take with this is you can't really pick Kerry, for example, from an 11-year year period from 1975-1986 and label them under one football team. They were two different teams really. As far as I can tell, there was only five players who played in both of those finals - Paidi, Ogie Moran, Pat Splillane, Sheehy and Ger Power - and of those Paidi switched from wing to corner back, Power went from wing-back to corner-forward and there were a couple of other small changes too (judging from the starting line-ups at least).

I think you would nearly have to split Kerry in that period into two sides - the four-in-a-row side and the 84-86 team.

That's incorrect. Those 5 players are the only ones with 8 all ireland medals. The likes of Tommy Doyle, Bomber, Jacko, Charlie Nelligan, Sean Walsh, Ger Lynch, Mick Spillane all played in both 78-82 and 84-86 teams. Thats 13 players not to mention those on the bench.

The Chessplayer

Wicklow's O'Byrne Cup campaign on setanta last january. Heralded the coming of the TV age to the garden. Magic!

johnnyrotten123

Kerry On Tour wrote: »

That's incorrect. Those 5 players are the only ones with 8 all ireland medals. The likes of Tommy Doyle, Bomber, Jacko, Charlie Nelligan, Sean Walsh, Ger Lynch, Mick Spillane all played in both 78-82 and 84-86 teams. Thats 13 players not to mention those on the bench.

What I said initially is not incorrect. Those players didn't play in 75. The point I was making was you can't group Kerry from 1975 to 1986 and call it 'one team'. The team in 1975 was a vastly different team to the one in 1986. The OP needs to define it a bit better than that.

Kerry On Tour

johnnyrotten123 wrote: »

What I said initially is not incorrect. Those players didn't play in 75. The point I was making was you can't group Kerry from 1975 to 1986 and call it 'one team'. The team in 1975 was a vastly different team to the one in 1986. The OP needs to define it a bit better than that.

Well what you said at the end was split the 4 in a row and 3 in a row team into 2 different teams. Which you couldn't do really.
And to add on to that, a lot of who played in '75 played in the 4 in a row and retired and a lot emerged in the 4 in a row team to stay on for the 3 in a row. Anyway to have 5 players playing for more than 15 years as some of them did and win 8 all irelands is remarkable.

It ultimately was our downfall in later years as not too many got the chance to come through and we had no ready made replacements. Thankfully lessons were learned and as can be seen now with Dara being the only starting member of the '97 team to feature this year.

K-9

Kerry On Tour wrote: »

That's incorrect. Those 5 players are the only ones with 8 all ireland medals. The likes of Tommy Doyle, Bomber, Jacko, Charlie Nelligan, Sean Walsh, Ger Lynch, Mick Spillane all played in both 78-82 and 84-86 teams. Thats 13 players not to mention those on the bench.

It's debatable. Probably 78 - 86 would be a better period to take rather than from 75.

Tomthepost

I ain't got involved in this discussion until now cause I didn;t like how the question was being treated.
I think in the interest of accuaracy we should treat it as individual years.
Plus it would be a much better discussion.
Since the start of the 00's the Tyrone team of 2005 was the best in my opinion.
90's probably Cork 1990 or Galway team that beat Kildare (98?)
80's Kerry 1984
70's Kerry 1979

K-9

Tomthepost wrote: »

I ain't got involved in this discussion until now cause I didn;t like how the question was being treated.
I think in the interest of accuaracy we should treat it as individual years.
Plus it would be a much better discussion.
Since the start of the 00's the Tyrone team of 2005 was the best in my opinion.
90's probably Cork 1990 or Galway team that beat Kildare (98?)
80's Kerry 1984
70's Kerry 1979

The problem with that is that you have Meath and Kerry in the 80's and Kerry and Dublin in the 70's, with Armagh, Tyrone and Kerry in the 00's.

Kerry would be my 70's team.
Meath my 80's team
Down my 90's team
and Tyrone 00's purely on the basis Kerry haven't beaten them at AI stage.

Tomthepost

Seanies32 wrote: »

The problem with that is that you have Meath and Kerry in the 80's and Kerry and Dublin in the 70's, with Armagh, Tyrone and Kerry in the 00's.

Kerry would be my 70's team.
Meath my 80's team
Down my 90's team
and Tyrone 00's purely on the basis Kerry haven't beaten them at AI stage.

Not a bad choice really but you are contradicting yourself a little. Kerry won 5 All-Irelands in the 80s and were never beaten by Meath. (They only played in 1986 and Kerry stuffed them!)
Down is an interesting choice but the players on the Cork team of the early 90s roll off the tongue alot easier. Cahalane, Counhinan, Fahy, Teddy McCarthy, Tompkins, O'Driscoll, Barry, Allen

K-9

Tomthepost wrote: »

Not a bad choice really but you are contradicting yourself a little. Kerry won 5 All-Irelands in the 80s and were never beaten by Meath. (They only played in 1986 and Kerry stuffed them!)
Down is an interesting choice but the players on the Cork team of the early 90s roll off the tongue alot easier. Cahalane, Counhinan, Fahy, Teddy McCarthy, Tompkins, O'Driscoll, Barry, Allen

I know it's contradictory, I have a lot of time for that Meath team. Just my opinion.

Kane, Linden, McCarten, Blayney, Withnell etc. wheren't bad either.
I'd say Down had better forwards and Cork better backs.

Jugs82

Kerry On Tour wrote: »

I think also Offaly deserve a mention 80-82, slightly further down the pecking order but should be mentioned.

Agreed, Matt Connor was unbelievable

Definetly Think Galway 98 - 01 deserve recognition, 2 All Irelands in great style.
Dont Agree with the Dublin of the Mid 90's, wouldnt come close to the top 5 IMO