CA36 or CA36K

Lacertus

hi all, Simon here tis my first post so here goes, this for you mr douglas this the puppy i was talking about its the CA36 http://www.classicarmy.com/productlist.jsp?gun_category=GUN&gun_brand=DEF&pg=4&rpp=10#
it seems to av a sister but only difference i see is the barrel is shorter. but anyhow for 2 and 2 drum mags it coasts in total 860 witch is high but think bout it 4000rounds each thats 8000 :eek: haha godbless who ever gets in my way. well what u think CA36 good or what :cool:

NakedDex

I own a CA36k and my flatmate owns the Star G36 so I've used both a lot.

The CA36 and the CA36k are identical apart from barrel length as you rightly pointed out. Also the CA36 has a bipod on it's foregrip but no room for the rails that can be attached to the CA36k. The internals are as excellent as you'd expect from CA and have never once given me an ounce of trouble. Good rof, consistent and reliable. One bit of advice is invest in a tightbore though. It'll make the world of difference.


The G36 and G36k differences of note lie in the sheer size. The G36 is used by the German army (among others) and is a field automatic rifle in the strictest sense. Long body, accurate and rugged. However, in airsoft the G36 could be considered a little long for the roles it would be used for.
Outside the G36 is a lovely aeg to use and the bipod is far more useful than you may think. Easy to sight and stable when firing.
Indoors however it's a relative nightmare. The length of unit can make any kind of fibua cumbersome. You can fold in the stock but it's still a bit tricky.

My personal rule of thumb with choosing rifle variants for multi role use is if I can't stand at the door jamb with the aeg butted to my shoulder and swing it cleanly through the door frame in a firing stance, then it's gonna be too tricky to use inside or in cqb.

For this reason I bouth the CA36k. It's just as functional outdoors as the G36 and has the length that lends itself to cqb too. With the stock folded it becomes not much longer than an MP5. You loose little, if anything, from the shortened barrel. However this is personal choice, some prefer the longer rifle. It is a more stable and comfortable shooting position when prone and it looks the business too. I often borrow the long variant if I'm defending for a game as I find it somewhat easier to hold a position with it.

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The other thing you mentioned was box mags. I was tempted into buying one when I got my CA36k so I could use it as a saw should I need to. Box mags suck unless you actually have a proper saw. M249, GPMG, M60, something along those lines.
(i) Box mags rattle like heck, you can be heard coming a half mile off.
(ii) They're far more prone to jamming than a hicap/midcap (and box mag jams are not usually easily cleared)
(iii) There are three types: clockwork, electric, auto-electric.

Clockwork are oversized hi-cap mags, so you'll still have to wind every 30 or so rounds.

Electric require you to trail an ugly switch cable along the body to some point on your aeg that you must push as you fire to keep the loader moving.

Auto-electric have a mic that detects when you shoot and moves the loader accordingly, they're not totally reliable and they're stupidly expensive.


Again, it's your own choice on the box mags but for the price of one box mag you could pick up 10 midcaps and I assure you, you'd be a lot happier with them. The only reason I could see for having a box mag with a G36 (and this is speaking from experience with them) is having it on a standard G36 and using it as an MG36. This limits your role and areas of use of such a large gun though as this variant is truley useless indoors so it's your call.

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To sum up this stupidly long post (sorry about that)
Both are good but try both out first, despite being technically the same rifle with longer/shorter barrels, they hold and feel quite differently. You'll know which you want when you hold it.
And box mags = bad

Alvin T. Grey

Or you could do what everyone else does. Buy a good quality G36C and over the next few weeks/months pick up the extended hand guard, carry handle, bipod, precision barrel etc. Keep the parts from the original and depending on the day you can perform a sniper, support or assault/cqb role.

conor-mr2

Id pretty much go with what has been said here.

I have the CA36c. Fantastic piece of equipment. It doesnt come with battery or charger so get those also and dont get a cheap battery or charger either.

I cant really add much more to NakedDex excellent advice

kdouglas

Lacertus wrote: »

hi all, Simon here tis my first post so here goes, this for you mr douglas this the puppy i was talking about its the CA36 http://www.classicarmy.com/productlist.jsp?gun_category=GUN&gun_brand=DEF&pg=4&rpp=10#
it seems to av a sister but only difference i see is the barrel is shorter. but anyhow for 2 and 2 drum mags it coasts in total 860 witch is high but think bout it 4000rounds each thats 8000 :eek: haha godbless who ever gets in my way. well what u think CA36 good or what :cool:

Hmmmm.... G36 is a very nice gun alright, i think the full length one might be a bit on the long side though, have one here at the moment which im repairing for someone and it's 38.5 inches in total with the stock folded out, the K might be better suited, not much more i can add really after what NakedDex has said

Lacertus

wow is the CA36 really that long i mean it cant be longer than my chair can it plus remember we want it to look deadly big kinda cannon style

kdouglas

ummmm... it might very well be longer, or at the least the length could make it awkward

with permissioner of the g36's owner, ill bring it with me to hrta this saturday for you to have a look, should be a few C's and maybe a K there for you to look at

Lacertus

ye man that would be great if u can gona try get these sorted so we can see if the santa budget can support these expensive ladies thanks

NakedDex

I really hate this site for losing my posts almost all the time.


"Big cannon style" seems cool but theres a reason the r&d departments at the worlds best know and most succesful military equipment factories are trying to make everything smaller. The bullpup was an invention in this vein. Designed to be smaller than a regular assault rifle without losing the effectiveness of one.

In airsoft you rarely get any aeg that will fire particularly farther than another (realtively speaking), getting one that's bigger than another is a matter of comfort rather than extended range. Longer barrels do provide better accuracy, but there's a point at which, for certain situations such as field work, sniping, cqb etc, the barrel length is too much. For example:
(i)The G36 is a field rifle, designed for armies in open country. Suitable for long to medium range work.
(ii)The G36k is a multi role rifle, designed to hold it's own in open ground but be neat enough to use indoors/urban environs.
(iii)The G36c then is the baby of the group. Not as accurate as the other two, nor with as much range. But it delivers more punch in close quarters due to its ease of use in tight spots, as well as portability and size. Try entering a room with a G36 and then again with a G36c and notice the difference straight away.

Longer barrels mean taking longer to acquire the target at short range. Shorter barrels mean less accuracy at long range. Choose an aeg based on how you play and where you'll use it, not just solely on how it looks. If I chose based on that I'd carry an M82 into room clearing scenarios just for the sheer hell of it. They'd see the barrel of that beast coming a solid 3 feet before they'd see me enter the doorway.

What I'm saying is, don't rush into a decision based soley on those two rifles. You may spend a metric assload of money on that order only to find out the rifle doesn't suit your playing style at all, you're uncomfortable with the weight or you may just not like how it feels.

Chosing a suitable aeg for an individual is different for everyone and I find it is like a rugby scrum.
Crouch, Touch, Hold, Engage.
(i)Crouching/going prone with a rifle and still being comfortable is always good sign. Anyone can be comfortable standing with a rifle slung.
(ii)Touch it and get a feel for it, does the pistol grip/fore grip suit your position, size etc.
(iii)Hold it as if you would in a game and see if you can sight properly and comfortably. See how easy a mag change might be.
(iv)Finally, engage with it if at all possible, get a few shots off with one that some kind soul may allow you to borrow for a game or on the range.

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Further to what Alvin T. Grey mentioned above, that is an option. But it's a damn expensive one. While the body may technically be the same across the range, converting a "c" to a "k" or a "regular" isn't so straight forward as people think. An inner and outer barrel set, flash hider, foregrip, stock, rails, possibly even a carry handle/scope if you're going all out will set you back a pretty penny. And if you want all models you have to get the whole lot of that twice over.

For the same price as carry handle/scope and a foregrip+barrel set you can pick up a new aeg and not have to go to the hassle of changing barrels and parts every time you want to change your aeg's look. (Trust me, I've got a little project lined up for my G36k and unless it was a labour of love I could buy two new aeg's with the money and still have change for a night out)



Apologies for the epic length post again!

Alvin T. Grey

I see your point. But when I sat down and thought about the expense of double buying quite a bit of kit, I considered that to be offset by the advantage of not having to buy that kit all at the one time and spread the payment to suit your budget.. You can also get top quality parts rather then sticking with a clone. You also have a perfectly good skirmishable AEG from day one. And finally, if the equipment is too big or dosn't suit, you don't have to buy it.

NakedDex

A G36 carry handle/scope from Star and a foregrip+outer barrel set, also by Star, together will cost you approx 260 plus shipping. You can actually pick up a CA, Star or TM G36 for just a little more than that.

I see what you're saying but I would view that as an awkward and overly expensive way of doing it. If you wanted something for every situation you could just stick with the G36k and get an SL9 (G36 platform) for long range work. Or a G36c and a G36. You'd have the best of both worlds without the hassle of a rebuild every time you changed roles.
I'd imagine there'd be a lot of wear and tear doing that every other day.