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I can give lifts from sandyford so gimme a PM or text if you need a lift.
Interesting stats as always Statto
. What's the link to the league table?
Those stats make it sound like it's a closely grouped league, which probably ties in with what we've seen to date - all the teams are in or around the same standard, with only Eddie Rockets being noticeably weaker. Means any team can beat any other and we can beat all of them on our day.....here's hoping we just have 12 of those days in a row...
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Martin - Will be there
Darran - will be there
Ed - will be there
Dan - will be there
Michael - will be there
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Shay - injured
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Sav - will be there
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Jules – will be there
Art - will be there
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LeixlipRed wrote: »Someone needs to manmark that strongcock fella an get him out of the game early. A quick hand shandy should do it:D 0
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I don't think players being tired is a valid excuse, especially if we have unlimited amount of subs. Even a player coming on to give someone a 5min break then coming back off again, could easily help out a lot.
Sounded like a good match to watch anyway. Lots of goals
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See I'd be of the opinion that, with no disrespect to anyone, in games like that you need an Impact substitution. Someone who will give the opposition something to think about.
And art kinda shook things up when he came on. But we only had Art as an impact sub and we played that card.In fact, sometimes the worst thing you can do is feck around with your defence or throw somebody on into the thick of things when we're quite clearly under the kosh.
From a sidelines, we lost the game in defence and centre midfield in the second half. We put Art in and we were still losing it. Nothing is going to change unless you change it (not you personally
). Plus the subs would have been straight swaps, its not like we'd have been going from 4 at the back to 3.In situations like last night, the Manager has to be able to turn and look at his Subs and think "who's gonna nick me a goal?"
That's the only thing that matters in that exact moment. That really wasnt the game to be giving lads a run out IMHO.
I agree it wasnt a game to be giving lads a run out. Art was put on to nick a goal but it didnt happen.I don't think "shoring up" was really on anyone's mind, moreso I reckon we all wanted to kill the game off. The old cliche: the best form of defence is attack. Personally I'm not a fan of the whole shutting up shop idea, you just invite so much trouble and ping pong deflections in your own box, get hammered with corners, throws and dangerous free kicks conceded, it becomes a cynical dogfight and that doesn't suit a footballing side that we actually are. First half display being a case in point.
Maybe 'shoring up' was the wrong term but the team was really struggling. There would have been no harm in sending someone out who had a fresh pair of legs and who had been watching what was going wrong. I didnt say stick ten men behind the ball and play like italy.
I know this seems opportunistic of me, and i mean no disrespect to anyone, but I just want the team to do well. I wouldn't have come to games when injured to cheer you on if i didnt care.
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BlackWizard wrote: »I don't think players being tired is a valid excuse, especially if we have unlimited amount of subs. Even a player coming on to give someone a 5min break then coming back off again, could easily help out a lot.
Sounded like a good match to watch anyway. Lots of goals
It wasn't that sort of game. It was too tight to be changing things round constantly. You can do that against Eddie Rockets alright but against a good team who are always pressing it's not an option.
Also, had totally forgotten about it til now but how did my shot from 30 yards in the first half not go in? I could see the headlines in tomorrow's metro the minute I hit that one Bastard keeper 0 -
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Feck you and yer poxy multiquote
TBH that lets myself and Jules off too easily. The Striker is the 1st defender. The Goalkeeper is the 1st attacker. You should be attacking, and defending, as a unit at all times.From a sidelines, we lost the game in defence and centre midfield in the second half.
To be fair to the lads in the middle, they ran the show 1st half. You're suggesting they lost us the game, which really isn't the case. I could argue that if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have been leading so convincingly at half time. As for our defence, well it had some obvious miscommunication issues that have already been raised. I remember a few games back our defence was rock solid but we weren't looking great in the final third, so I'll cut them slack for all the other times they saved our bacon.
All I'll say here is that more often than not, football seems like a much easier game from the sideline bud.We put Art in and we were still losing it. Nothing is going to change unless you change it (not you personally ). Plus the subs would have been straight swaps, its not like we'd have been going from 4 at the back to 3.
Valid point, I just don't think we thought we'd be chasing the game with 2mins remaining. And sure by then time just ran out.Maybe 'shoring up' was the wrong term but the team was really struggling. There would have been no harm in sending someone out who had a fresh pair of legs and who had been watching what was going wrong.
Aww we know you love us reallyI know this seems opportunistic of me, and i mean no disrespect to anyone, but I just want the team to do well. I wouldn't have come to games when injured to cheer you on if i didnt care.
In the first half, we beat them 3-1. In the second they beat us 3-0. On aggregate score, they were good for the win mainly because we were all over the gaff. For that, I don't need to look over at the sideline, the 11 of us who were on the pitch for the full game have to take full responsibility. Remember we hit the post and there were a few other chances first half, including Martin's which I was convinced was goal bound. We could have been leading 4 or 5-1 at HT and that would have been game over.
Lessons learned, take chances and defend better. I don't think we need to be told 0 -
I think the injuries,etc have prevented us from getting a settled back 4 and that's affected us quite a bit. We've had 4 people play right full, 4 play centre half and 2 play left back since the season started. The injuries to Shay and Joe mean we've no centre mids when Kenny isn;t there (Sav playing upfront of course). All that chopping and changing is killing us. If we had our strongest XI out there every week we'd be challenging for this league. Winning it more than likely but it aint happening. It;s frustrating. It's also frustrating that it's only 6 of us or so who ever get to discuss this stuff on here. Des, get a team meeting or something going so we can salvage this season 0
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You're suggesting they lost us the game, which really isn't the case. I could argue that if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have been leading so convincingly at half time.
The midfield was fantastic in the first half, i'm not disputing that. I just said that they went missing parts for the second half that allowed the opposition to get a greater stranglehold on the game. I'm not saying the midfield - or the defence, or any individual for that matter - was at fault for the loss. I'm also not saying that regaining the midfield would have resulted in us winning. I'm just pointing out areas where i feel we went wrong.As for our defence, well it had some obvious miscommunication issues that have already been raised. I remember a few games back our defence was rock solid but we weren't looking great in the final third, so I'll cut them slack for all the other times they saved our bacon.
Yeah it was an unusual performance from a generally solid defence (of which I'm proud to (hopefully) be a part of), I agree with you again. The full backs were attacking well in the first half and the centres were solid. It seemed like the tiredness that set in towards the end led to the mistakes (in all areas) which is why I think brining on someone would have been an idea, even to give someone a break for a few minutes like colm and darragh have pointed out.All I'll say here is that more often than not, football seems like a much easier game from the sideline bud.
Player managers > sideline managers (> armchair managers)? I had the same view of the game as the manager, and I'm just expressing the areas where I thought we fell down and possible ideas on how to avoid doing so again. And trying to do so in as constructive a way as I can so I apologise if I seem to be harsh....including Martin's which I was convinced was goal bound. We could have been leading 4 or 5-1 at HT and that would have been game over.
I was just about to celebrate when I saw where it was going! 4 or 5-1 and the game would have been dead in the water. At 3-2 the confidence seemed to go and that started us on the slippery slope.Lessons learned, take chances and defend better. I don't think we need to be told
Thats a very easy conclusion to reach but its not what I'm getting at, just voicing my opinion as a player and a fan 0 -
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C'mon stop mincing your wordsBlackWizard wrote: »Lads listen up.
It's ALL Savs fault
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I actually don't remember any goals conceded due to blatant and obvious tiredness.In one way you're changing the risk of a goal being conceded due to tired legs to the risk of a goal being scored because the sub doesnt play well.
Lack of communication, failing to clear our lines, basic errors....
Tiredness? Can't really say I noticed it being a huge issue.
Let me just clear one thing up, I'm not saying I'm against Substitutions, we just did not have enough Impact players on the line on this occasion. Now before you or Mike or anyone takes offense, that's not a criticism of personnell but a simple matter of observation. Also I have never in all my life heard of a double substitution where a team brings on 2 Full Backs
I won't open a can of worms by asking who you would have taken off, but I have to maintain the players on the pitch were more than capable of winning the game.
I know you're not necessarily moaning cos you didnt get a game and I honestly don't know Des' exact reasons for not changing things, I'm just giving you my own view. It's perfectly natural for a Sub to be watching a game like that when things go bad and think "I can do better", but I can assure you that our problems as a team are not in any way related to Subs.
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I actually don't remember any goals conceded due to blatant and obvious tiredness.
Lack of communication, failing to clear our lines, basic errors....
Tiredness? Can't really say I noticed it being a huge issue.
I never said that goals scored in the game were a result of blatant and obvious tiredness. I do believe that the concentration went because of it though which, partly or otherwise, resulted in some of their goals. At least thats how I saw it but as you said yourself, its an easier game from the sidelines.Let me just clear one thing up, I'm not saying I'm against Substitutions, we just did not have enough Impact players on the line on this occasion. Now before you or Mike or anyone takes offense, that's not a criticism of personnell but a simple matter of observation. Also I have never in all my life heard of a double substitution where a team brings on 2 Full Backs
I never said to use a double substitution. I said there were two subs there that could have been used and, in my opinion, should have been used to some extent. people wont agree with it but thats opinion for ya.I won't open a can of worms by asking who you would have taken off, but I have to maintain the players on the pitch were more than capable of winning the game.
I have to maintain the players on the pitch were more than capable of winning the game.I know you're not necessarily moaning cos you didnt get a game and I honestly don't know Des' exact reasons for not changing things, I'm just giving you my own view. It's perfectly natural for a Sub to be watching a game like that when things go bad and think "I can do better", but I can assure you that our problems as a team are not in any way related to Subs.
I'm not moaning I'm expressing my own view. If we had have had two subs for any other position I'd still be saying the same thing. Even if i was injured I'd still be saying the same thing. But you're right, our problems are not related to subs, our problems should be addressed at training...
*edit* Do you think we'd have finished the first half 3 - 1 up if i had started? I dont think so. I know where I stand in the team and I stand there *literally* for a reason.Don't worry you'll get your chance to show us all how it's done. We're expecting BIG things:D:D
No pressure then :eek: :rolleyes:0 -
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LeixlipRed wrote: »willy nilly
Good to see some decent debate going on lads, and I'll try get time to post later today...but for the moment all I wanna add is
Using the term 'willy nilly' on this forum, in public, in this day and age - WHAT THE F**K? 0 -
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