Tribune looses continue

mike65

50k a week still disapearing down the swanee, which must be about a euro an issue at the moment.

Examiner story here

Mike.

raven136

i find the tribune losing money very strange because i actually think its a decent paper with some fantastic journalists.Its sports has Malacy Clerkin and the odd headline grabbing by neil francis.

It has mick clifford,shane coleman,justine mccarthy and kevin rafter who are all excellent writers but its sales are very low.Its magazine is terrible as is the review section but im not sure if that makes or beaks a sunday paper.

DMC

mike65 wrote: »

Examiner story here

I'd wonder how The Sunday Business Post compares?

It crops up every once in a while, the impending demise of the Turbine, continuously on life support... still 27 years in publication.

flogen

Examiner Article wrote:

He said that the company had seen an increase in both its readership and advertising revenues during the year.

Mr Colleary added: “In 2007 we are looking forward to continued progress and a return to an operational profit for the first time.”

If you do an archive search of The Irish Times (or any other newspaper probably) you'll see that this quote appears with each year's accounts - although the year of expected profitability is changed each time, naturally.

Can't help think of the classic Goebbels quote:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

DMC wrote: »

I'd wonder how The Sunday Business Post compares?

Aye, TCH have the luxury of being a private company so don't have to worry about filing profits and losses - by all accounts they're losing money year on year but are seen as a loss-leader to the company... the Tribune, on the other hand, was a blocking measure by IN&M to kill The Sunday Times off which has largely failed. At best it's now there to keep The Irish Times out of the Sunday market.

moe_sizlak

i dont dispute the fact that there are very good writers at the tribune but that said i have never really taken to it , ive always found it rather dull and lacking in identity , im a sindo reader myself and though my politics are not as right wing as the sindo , i enjoy reading it none the less for various reasons

cson

The Sindo is a horrifically poor rag imo. I can't understand how it has such huge sales, it has Brendan O'Connor as a journo ffs!

Tom Dunne

I stopped buying the Tribune almost two years ago.

It's gone to utter trash, nothing more than an oversized tabloid. Just like the Sindo.

monument

Since recent events, I'm only going to buy it for the same reason I sometimes buy the Sindo etc.

jdivision

flogen wrote: »

Aye, TCH have the luxury of being a private company so don't have to worry about filing profits and losses - by all accounts they're losing money year on year but are seen as a loss-leader to the company... the Tribune, on the other hand, was a blocking measure by IN&M to kill The Sunday Times off which has largely failed. At best it's now there to keep The Irish Times out of the Sunday market.

Adam, TCH is a limited liability company and does file accounts every year detailing its profits. They even press release them
http://www.tch.ie/content/templates/tchnews2.aspx?articleid=118&zoneid=1
The Sunday Business Post is profitable.

flogen

jdivision wrote: »

Adam, TCH is a limited liability company and does file accounts every year detailing its profits. They even press release them
http://www.tch.ie/content/templates/tchnews2.aspx?articleid=118&zoneid=1
The Sunday Business Post is profitable.

Oh - my mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.

Are you sure the SBP is profitable?

Gekko

a bit off topic but there was an interesting lowdown on the Sindo in Sunday's Irish Mail on Sunday if anyone read it.

Brendan O'C apparently has designs on being the next editor, it says.

It also suggests that Anne Harris is the brains behind the paper - which would go some way to explaining why it is fairly heavily orientated towards female readers with plenty of disposable income.

mike65

Thats the Mails secret weapon, its the same in Britain - asset rich, middle class, middle England.

Mike.

jdivision

flogen wrote: »

Oh - my mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.

Are you sure the SBP is profitable?

Yes

jdivision

Gekko wrote: »

a bit off topic but there was an interesting lowdown on the Sindo in Sunday's Irish Mail on Sunday if anyone read it.

Brendan O'C apparently has designs on being the next editor, it says.

It also suggests that Anne Harris is the brains behind the paper - which would go some way to explaining why it is fairly heavily orientated towards female readers with plenty of disposable income.

Brendan O'C isn't staff so doubt he'd be next editor, I'd say Alan Ruddock or Nick Webb would be more likely choices. Everybody knows Anne Harris is the "brains" behind the paper tbh - I'd argue it's geared towards people who just want to read a tabloid in a broadsheet format.

santosubito

jdivision wrote: »

Brendan O'C isn't staff so doubt he'd be next editor, I'd say Alan Ruddock or Nick Webb would be more likely choices. Everybody knows Anne Harris is the "brains" behind the paper tbh - I'd argue it's geared towards people who just want to read a tabloid in a broadsheet format.

Jesus Christ. if O'Connor gets that gig I'm leaving the country.
Alan Ruddock is a very strong contender; I wouldn't think Nick Webb stands a chance.
One intriguing possibility: Ger Colleran (editor of The Star) going to the Indo and Gerry O'Regan taking over at the Sindo.
O'Regan would be just the man to sort out all those idiots on that `paper', but then again so would Colleran.

DMC

Gekko wrote: »

Brendan O'C apparently has designs on being the next editor, it says.

He may have designs, but all big egos have those

Can't see it happening, as promotion to an editors job in this country is down to being a) been with the paper for a lot of years, b) being a reporter/correspondent and not necessarily a columnist or opinion writer and c) being at least 50.

While BOC might fill a), he's not b) and c), and Sir AJF won't let a radical run one of his joints.

santosubito

DMC wrote: »

He may have designs, but all big egos have those

Can't see it happening, as promotion to an editors job in this country is down to being a) been with the paper for a lot of years, b) being a reporter/correspondent and not necessarily a columnist or opinion writer and c) being at least 50.

While BOC might fill a) and b), he's not c), and Sir AJF won't let a radical run one of his joints.

He also has absolutely zero experience on news.

Oh crap, he's gonna get the gig!

Gekko

Gerry O'Regan is apparently a pretty tough taskmaster...

Not sure I could see a business journalist (Nick Webb or Alan Ruddock) being made the editor of the whole paper, but I reckon they'd do a better job over O'Regan or Colleran.

jdivision

O'Regan rubs people up the wrong way. How many people have jumped ship in last couple of years? Why are they finding it so hard to hire business journalists?

santosubito

Sure look at all the quality people that have left the Indo in the past year. And around 50 workers quit The Star in his three odd years there.

Gekko

it seems to be endemic in INM titles. Alot of their business journalists in the UK have left as well, for rivals or in one or two cases, PR companies!

Gekko

Just found out that the business editor of the Independent on Sunday in the UK is leaving - more evidence of the above.