Finnish shooting

estebancambias

''I talked(well argued) with this nut job on youtube, I came across him while searching up videos on Tim McVeigh. After I exposed him as a ****ing moronic sheep, he banned me from posting on his account. These people are products of a new generation of stupid kids with too much time on their hands, and too much freedom full stop. At the moment it feels awkward as I have talked to this idiot online, but people do you remember I posted a while back about the 'retarted youtube kids who idolise the Columbine killers'' well voila here is the product of it.

Oh will Atheism be blamed? His views are indirectly associated with Atheism after all. Although from an objective perspective l there is as much connection between Muslims blowing up bulding in the ''name of God'' and this guy doing. Just so you know I'm not bs'ing he was previous called Natural selector 89.

Red Hand

Is there a question here?

You spoke to someone who is now infamous, and-what?

Dades

estebancambias wrote: »

Oh will Atheism be blamed? His views are indirectly associated with Atheism after all.

Well this was his quote:

"a cynical existentialist, anti-human humanist, anti-social social-Darwinist, realistic idealist and god-like atheist."

So by that reckoning we also have to blame existentialists, humanists, Darwinists and that plague on society - idealists.

monkey tennis

How about we blame psychopaths instead? Seems a bit more relevant.

lostexpectation

its seems to me that so called social darwism was his main pidicalo, its seems alot to do with some sort of anti-consumerism in the sense that tim mcveigh thought we're all sheep and he did too.

and social darwism has little to do with darwism, its just an analogy

psychopaths exactly

estebancambias

Yeah...so the crusades have nothing to with religion...it was pyscopaths...glad that is settled.

Sand

Yeah...so the crusades have nothing to with religion...it was pyscopaths...glad that is settled.

Crusades - Religious leader calls on followers to travel a few thousand miles, smite the unbelievers and liberate the holy lands. Eternal salvation is promised as a reward. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands from all social classes, including an illfated expedition of children, obey.

School Shootings - Aetheists, idealists, humanists and darwinists call on school kids to arm up, head in to school and waste their classmates.....oh wait, thats not right.

I guess the only conclusion that can be drawn is that because a school gunman is a psychopath regardless of his claims to adhere to some belief system, that perhaps this doesnt automatically remove the claimed context from other events.

dr_manhattan

Oh come on: Murderers always use one extreme belief or another to justify something which - lets face it - they want to do anyways.

If it wasn't atheism, social darwinism or some other ism, it would be a leprechaun on his shoulder saying 'kill them all'. Should we really listen to the self justification of someone who's obviously insane? If he said "pink elephants made me do it" would we seriously look into pink elephants?

"These people are products of a new generation of stupid kids with too much time on their hands, and too much freedom full stop."

Right, it's all "new generation" stuff, is it? Senseless killing is all because of MTV? Is this the first generation of kids to kill other kids? These kids have "too much freedom"?

So what about the hordes of european peasants who burned, raped and pillaged their way across the americas, yet had no freedom whatsoever and no free time?

If that's too long ago, then I have to ask if the Khmer Rouge had too much freedom and free time? The population of Jonestown? Suicide bombers on the west bank - too much freedom and free time?

How is it that despite millennia of senseless murder, we all seem to want to pretend that school shootings - which are, after all, mercifully rare in a global population of 6 billion - are a "new" phenomenon? Or that they're different because - well actually I have no idea here - why are they different?

IMHO, it's about time that humanity stopped blaming religion, ideology or money for the wholesale murder we indulge in, and realise that it's just us doing it. The crusades, the holocaust, the stalinist purges, the conquest of the americas... whatever: a million different reasons but still just angry monkeys murdering other angry monkeys who disagree with them.

Referring to people as "sheep" is just the usual thing that killers do before they kill: they reposition their victim in their head to make them less than they are, and make the killing "right".

Communist, heathen, running dog, sheep, imperialist... any reason to kill is the same as any other IMHO - weak and poorly thought out.

Our society gives too much attention to those who commit a moronic and selfish, violent and self gratifying act IMHO. There is no complex reasoning behind wanting to kill everyone who disagrees with you, it's a tantrum that most people grow out of when they're nine years old.

Those who cannot control themselves in this regard are not idealists, they are the closest thing I can conceive of to subhuman. And to think that people say *suicide* is selfish?

lostexpectation

it wasn't atheism it was social dariwsm, he was an atheist but he killed people because he thought they were weak and holding back progress of the strong, (ie his motivation for killing was not to do with atheism) I don't know why you are trying to introduce that idea
estebancambias

dr_manhattan

"he killed people because he thought they were weak and holding back progress of the strong"

I can never understand this POV: surely those who kill randomly "hold back progress" just as much as their supposed "inferiors"...

Ah well...

lostexpectation

he rang around encrouaging the kids to wreck their classrooms shouting the revolution had started, the revolution had started, he was just trying to cause a jolt to the SYSTEM, infact it was directly to encourage copycats as he copied the columbine 2.....

but now the finnish primeminister is blaimng the internet, he well have read those social darwinist tracts in the library too...

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/finnish-leader-in-school--shooting-warning-1217783.html