The Beatles or Wings?

whatawaster

Who's better?

Nuttzz

beatles by about 70000000 trillion miles, Mull of Kintyre and jet are so vomit inducing

coolhandc

i dont think your gona find one person who thinks wings are better than the beatles but id be interested to know if anyone did actually prefer wings...

depadz

alan partridge did - wings, the band the beatles could have been.

whatawaster

fwedrest wrote: »

alan partridge did - wings, the band the beatles could have been.

yeah but he was into all that britpop crap wasn't he - Def leopard, UB40 and the likes.

DerekD Goldfish

Neither they were both muck

grumpytrousers

whatawaster wrote: »

Who's better?

beatles; if for no other reason than McCartney had to prove himself to Lennon continuously. There's a lot of Wings tunes that would have been Beatles tunes if they'd stayed together, but a lot of the muck would have been dropped on the grounds that Lennon would have said 'Paul, that's crap'.

Mind you, Lennons 70's output could have done with a bit of quality control as well, and to be honest, the only one to get decent output out of him was Macca...

DublinWriter

grumpytrousers wrote: »

Mind you, Lennons 70's output could have done with a bit of quality control as well, and to be honest, the only one to get decent output out of him was Macca...

True, Lennon stated himself that he was happy to stay at home for most of the 70's baking bread as he felt that what McCarthney was doing was rubbish.

Then he heard Wings' 'Coming Up' on the radio and thought "that's good!...too good!" and he said it forced him to going back into the studio to write and record "Starting Over".

lordgoat

whatawaster wrote: »

yeah but he was into all that britpop crap wasn't he - Def leopard, UB40 and the likes.

Did you know that smoke on the water was written during a jamming session...


Who are wings? THey're only the band the beatles could have been.

Brilliant.

Partridge>Wings>Beatles>God? apparently...

Auldloon

DerekD Goldfish wrote: »

Neither they were both muck

Agreed

Sinfonia

fwedrest wrote: »

alan partridge did - wings, the band the beatles could have been.

lol, beat me to that one!

mike65

Where's the Classic Rock board when you need it?

Miek.

Declan A Walsh

Wings were a pretty good band, but they were just not in the same same life-changing legendary category as The Beatles. I think Paul McCartney was inclined towards overindulgence or just plain mediocrity without the competing rivalry of John Lennon.

Wings did have some memorable songs alright : Coming Up, Band on The Run, Tug of War, Jet (I think it was good!), With A Little Luck and a good lot more. I have on tape somewhere the album Venus and Mars, which would be better than many, say, soft-rock albums, but not exactly a classic. But the depth of the Beatles songs and cleverness was missing... and don't forget that the Beatles had THREE good songwriters in John, Paul and George. Sorry, Ringo!

No offence to all concerned but Linda's presence in the band was largely honourary I think. Wings did have some talented muscians in the band - Denny Laine (a singer in his own right) and Henry McCullough, but they really did not get much of a look-in. Denny is given a writting credit for Mull of Kintyre (which bit I'd love to know!) and it is a song I have a sort of love-hate relationship with.

I await with bated breath for someone to say they preferred Wings and I would like to see the reasons why. After all, everyone is entitled to their own tastes in music.

And what has this got to do with "Alternative/Indie" anyway? I suppose you could count "Tommorow Never Knows" from the Revolver album and a no.of tracks from the White Album as alternative (Beatles if you don't know).

SligoBrewer

It simply has to be The Beatles.

Just simply

Mushy

fwedrest wrote: »

alan partridge did - wings, the band the beatles could have been.

Got in ahead of me:D. A classic Alan Patridge moment, love it!

BaZmO*

Cheese or Pepsi?

MoominPapa

mike65 wrote: »

Where's the Classic Rock board when you need it?

Miek.

+1. Particularly gets me when people post Neil Young threads in here. NY is alternative and/or indie? what?

Course the last time it was mooted it got shot down in flames
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=207684&highlight=classic+rock
can't find the reason why the punk forum was granted, maybe if the request was for a Punk Rock forum it would have got the same treatment:rolleyes:

loyatemu

"I was the one who got Paul McCartney out of Wings"
"You idiot! He was the best one!"

kyp_durron

BaZmO* wrote: »

Cheese or Pepsi?

Right now Pepsi cause I'm thirsty and I don't like drinking cheese. But if I was making a toastie I would always go with cheese. This is just my opinion, so please don't attack me for it.

MikeHoncho

ROFL at this thread.

John

Moved to Music.

Latchy

=SumGuy;54381460]lol, beat me to that one!

And you beat me to the same responce lol

To be fair the Beatles were of their time ,when pop music was just that ' pop' and wasn't taken so seriously by the mass's (until the stones and the rest of the british invasion arrived ) but compare there early 60's light catchy tunes with there mid/ late sixties stuff , it's to easy to right them of as crap and either way, both Lennon and McCartney brought out the best in each other .A lot of wings tracks could so easy have being beatle ones.

Quote George Harrison '' We (beatles) have being beatled to death ''

grumpytrousers

latchyco wrote: »

To...compare there early 60's light catchy tunes with there mid/ late sixties stuff , it's to easy to right them of as crap....

No. And leaving your atrocious spelling to one side for a moment it's not easy to write the early stuff off as crap. Go listen to Hard Days Night from start to finish and tell me it's not perfectly crafted pop, which is *just* as hard to get right and as any timothy leary inspired monk chanting arse-aboutery!

Latchy

grumpytrousers wrote: »

No. And leaving your atrocious spelling to one side for a moment it's not easy to write the early stuff off as crap. Go listen to Hard Days Night from start to finish and tell me it's not perfectly crafted pop, which is *just* as hard to get right and as any timothy leary inspired monk chanting arse-aboutery!

Sorry ,spelling mistake aside right instead of write (so unlike me ) i was not writing off their early stuff (in case you think i was ?) and have a copy of hard days night myself.I was actually refering to previous posters who said they (wings and beatles) were both 'crap' ,so get your facts right . I actually have a soft spot for the fab gear 4 ..

which is *just* as hard to get right and as any timothy leary inspired monk chanting arse-aboutery!

You have being listening to Revolver again ....or the jam

nyarlothothep

Wings were an incredible band. They wrote really thought provoking, poignant songs like Mull of Kintyre, Jet, Silly Love Songs, and let us not forget, Give Ireland back to the Irish. Truly they were a great band that stand head and shoulders above all musical artists of the 20th and 21st centuries. Even The Beatles. Give me a Wings album any day over a Beatles one, Wings were way better than the Beatles ever could be, the sheer depth and genius of Mull of Kintyre is far superior to say A Day in the Life or Tomorrow Never Knows . I salute you Wings.

whatawaster

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Wings were an incredible band. They wrote really thought provoking, poignant songs like Mull of Kintyre, Jet, Silly Love Songs, and let us not forget, Give Ireland back to the Irish. Truly they were a great band that stand head and shoulders above all musical artists of the 20th and 21st centuries. Even The Beatles. Give me a Wings album any day over a Beatles one, Wings were way better than the Beatles ever could be, the sheer depth and genius of Mull of Kintyre is far superior to say A Day in the Life or Tomorrow Never Knows . I salute you Wings.

you should be committed

Driver 8

Wings were nowhere near as good as The Beatles

Does that make them worthless? No.

A far more interesting question would Lennon's solo work or Wings. That's a close run thing.

Latchy

Lennons favorite subject on his song writing was himself and ono quite a lot ,and very introspective.His drug taking i think played a great part in his state of mind as it does anybody ,were as McCartney and wings were doing the middle of the road catchy pop stuff .I find Lennons imagine to be dreary ,were 'Another day ' by McCartney (released about the same time) more up beat and melodic. A lot of Lennons stuff does stand the test of time like ' no 9 dream ,and 'whatever get's you tru the night .'

nyarlothothep

whatawaster wrote: »

you should be committed

WINGS! YE-AH!! WOOOH!!!!!

grumpytrousers

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Wings were an incredible band. They wrote really thought provoking, poignant songs like Mull of Kintyre, Jet, Silly Love Songs, and let us not forget, Give Ireland back to the Irish. Truly they were a great band that stand head and shoulders above all musical artists of the 20th and 21st centuries. Even The Beatles. Give me a Wings album any day over a Beatles one, Wings were way better than the Beatles ever could be, the sheer depth and genius of Mull of Kintyre is far superior to say A Day in the Life or Tomorrow Never Knows . I salute you Wings.

oh thank you; you've just busted my sarcasm-detectometer®...i hope you're happy...

loyatemu

more seriously - the individual beatles solo material is disappointing as a whole. You could probably compile the really essential stuff from all 4 of them onto one double-CD. And that would include a few Ringo tracks ("It don't come easy" is great for a start)...

Latchy

loyatemu wrote: »

more seriously - the individual beatles solo material is disappointing as a whole. You could probably compile the really essential stuff from all 4 of them onto one double-CD. And that would include a few Ringo tracks ("It don't come easy" is great for a start)...

Actually i think there may have being a cd rleased a few years back of individual solo songs off the 4 ex-beatles ,here are a few of mine .

Another day (paul
Mother (john)
My sweet lord (george)
Photograph (ringo)
Stand by me (john)
Sily love songs ( paul)
Mind games (john )
All those years ago ( george)
it dont come easy (ringo )
my love (paul)
whatever gets you tru the night ( john)
Isin't it a pity ( george)
your 16 (ringo)
band on the run (paul)
womon (john)

BadfingerBoogie

Well I love both, but I prefer The Beatles.

On a side note, one thing I would like to mention is that the bashing Wings gets sometimes seems to be more of an expectation issue than an actual quality issue. If you don't like Wings, that perfectly fine, but when you think about it, the (early) Beatles and the Traveling Wilburys have lots of silly love songs too, but nobody really seems to care about that.

grumpytrousers

I suppose the thing is that the Beatles went from being lovable mop-tops in 1963-64 to Revolver in 66 to White album in 68 and the crowning glory that was Abbey Road - that's 6 years and a complete evolution in sound and style.

Wings - while quite musically adept - weren't quite as innovative; the songs were still okay, but they didn't have the same phases of creativity and to be honest any Wings song from the early 70's could just have easily appeared on one of the later albums; that wouldn't be the case with 'Come Together' or 'She Loves You'.

As for the Wilburys - it's a completely different thing you got there; the appeal there was that this was 5 (and latterly 4) legends (ish) just sitting around having fun. The quality of the songs was darned good, but nobody (least of all the Wilburys themselves) were taking this seriously. If anybody else had done this, it would have been described, with much derision, as a vanity project. However, once you got Dylan and Orbison involved, nobody was gonna dream of saying that!

Latchy

I love both but the Beatles are as much a social phenomenon now and will always be a reference point in musical history for everybody .The amount of bands and musicians who have being influenced by them cuts through all musical generes,but equally like U2 for instance ,they can be a band you either love or hate. Some prefer thier earlier stuff ,some their mid-sixties stuff and some their late stuff. I prefer a bit of them all . You pick any of their albums and there are at least 2 or 3 tracks that could have being hit singles if released by themselfs or other artists which they somtimes did ie, peter and gorden , Cilla black ,B J Kramer ,Badfinger ,Marmalade .

If i was to pick 2 tracks of all their original albums 62-70 ,it would compile like this .....

1 Please Please me /I saw her standing there
2 All my lovin / Not a second time
3 Cant buy me love /Tell me why
4 Your going to lose that girl /The night before
5 Nowere man /If i needed somone
6 Dr robert /Eleanor rigby
7 Getting better /Benifit of mr kite
8 strawberry fields /Penny lane
9 Back in the ussr /Dear prudence
10 Yellow submarine /Al you need is love
11 Here comes the sun /You never give me your money
12 Get back / long and winding road

Footnote - Oh bla Di Oh bla da by Lennon /McCartney

This was a #1 hit in England for Marmalade in 1968. With this song, Marmalade became the first Scottish group to top the UK charts (leaving little doubt about their origin, they performed the song on Top Of The Pops wearing kilts). It also could be considered the first UK #1 to be done in a Reggae style. Marmalade's bassist Graham Knight recalls in 1000 UK #1 Hits by Jon Kutner and Spencer Leigh, "The Beatles' music publisher, Dick James, played us the acetate of The Beatles' Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da and we thought it was great. He said, 'You can have it, I won't give it to anyone else,' but of course he passed it to another 27 acts. We rush-recorded it in the middle of the night during a week of cabaret in the north-east. Our manager, who was in America at the time, kept sending us telegrams not to do it. He didn't think we should record a Beatles song. We expected it to do well, but we didn't think it would go to #1. We got no feedback from The Beatles at all. There had been so many covers by that time that I shouldn't think they'd have been very interested." (thanks, Edward Pearce - Ashford, Kent, England)

Metallic_Sky**

The beatles but i have to say Lennon's sound was the best. I think it was a bit more rock'n'roll not to mention ahead of its time.

cashback

Great question. People have mentioned partridges response. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyZspqjtG2k/