Star Trek: Enterprise

User45701

So...

What did you all think of enterprise? it seems to be regarded as **** but ive been thinking (and rewatching) and bringbankenterpsie.com stoped it getting cancelled at the end of season 3 if i remember?

It must have some decent enough fan base, probbley not all star trek fans but i liked it and i have been thinking i recon i could name atleast

8 Fantastic episodes
20 Good episodes

or to put it another way i could name more good ones than bad ones.
Was enterprise really that bad? Ive been rewatching some of the episodes (and not rewatching for the first time) thats why im posting this. Some enterprise episodes have more rewatchabality than i thought they did.

Goodshape

I thought it was awful. Can't stand Jonathan Archer and most of the crew weren't much better.

Admittedly I've only seen episodes here-and-there but a few of the ones I have seen were recommended to me as reasons to reconsider the show, and even they were decidedly average (that mirror universe one springs to mind.. the borg one's another. Can't really think of any others).

I don't doubt there's some hidden gems in there somewhere, but the whole concept was deeply flawed from the beginning so I don't really care.

FWIW, I'd blame Voyager more for destroying the Star Trek franchise.

mewso

I thought it was ok. Liked the Doctor. It was no worse than Voyager which was saved by plonking a boird with a fit body in a tight suit. Unfortunately Enterprise decided they needed to do the same.

FutureGuy

Season 1-Good
Season 2-Meh
Season 3-Great
Season 4-One of best seasons of Trek ever. Manny Coto FTW!

deman

Enjoyed it a lot more than Voyager and DS9. Much, much better. Last season was terrific stuff. Very sad when it stopped.:(

mewso

deman wrote: »

Enjoyed it a lot more than Voyager and DS9.

Sacrilige.

Ro: maaan!

I always quite liked it. Rewatching it again atm. Season 3 is fantastic. Season 4 episodes are up there with the good eps from TNG/VOY. Season 1 and 2 aren't as good, but I like them for the little differences like no prime directive or just it being a big deal to get the language right when they meet a new race.

I think the reason it's generally disliked is that isn't very different to other trek series. If you accept that it's not going to be TNG all over again then it's quite good for what it is.

Goodshape

If I can find them I'll give seasons three and four another try.

Ro: maaan!

Goodshape wrote: »

If I can find them I'll give seasons three and four another try.

Be sure to watch the last episode of season 2 so. It's a to be continued thing.

Pride Fighter

Better than DS9 IMO. Peculiar how they are never mentioned in any of the other treks. They had to think of something and for some reason they did not want to continue the 24th century timeline. The only mention it has gotten outside of its own series is in Nemesis, there was a ship called the USS Archer but this was when 1 season had already finished.

robby^5

I still hate the fact that they just had to come up with an excuse for the Klingon's lack of cranial ridges in TOS...couldn't they just leave it be?

User45701

no i liked the way they explained it because whenever i mentioned enteprrise someone would almost always post about why the klingons look wrong so they cant make everyone happy

shaykelly

I personally think Enterprise filled in a lot of gaps - however i did expect a time-travel ep to the future ie 24th century with picard etc

did anyone notice that Enterprise is in a different time line.. ie the episode with the Borgs ended with " we may have just delayed the borg for 200yrs" BUT in TNG , it was Q that sent the Enterprise 1701-D to the Beta quadrant saying that " you are the first humans to see the Borg"

Anyone else see that ??

Enterprise does fill a lot of gaps but rumour that its a new time line should be considered. !!

bizmark

****e rewatch tng or ds9 and you see how far star trek fell

OH LOOK SEXY GURLS ! THAT WILL BRING IN THE PUNTERS LUL :rolleyes:

norrie rugger

shaykelly wrote: »

I personally think Enterprise filled in a lot of gaps - however i did expect a time-travel ep to the future ie 24th century with picard etc

did anyone notice that Enterprise is in a different time line.. ie the episode with the Borgs ended with " we may have just delayed the borg for 200yrs" BUT in TNG , it was Q that sent the Enterprise 1701-D to the Beta quadrant saying that " you are the first humans to see the Borg"

Anyone else see that ??

Enterprise does fill a lot of gaps but rumour that its a new time line should be considered. !!

Voyager started that off with the Hansens going looking for them. They say that first contact slightly changed the timeline, especially as the borg were alluded to long before they were seen in TNG. The first episode where the Romulans come into TNG springs to mind

User45701

i thought that the cube that q threw them into was already on coause for sector 001 also why would earth be the borg sector 001 as in the first system catloged, thats dating back to Vger right? so technically humans did create the borg

Potential-Monke

Can i take back my vote, i mistook it for TNG!

bizmark

User45701 wrote: »

i thought that the cube that q threw them into was already on coause for sector 001 also why would earth be the borg sector 001 as in the first system catloged, thats dating back to Vger right? so technically humans did create the borg

Um how did they create the borg? its not like voyager was some super advanced warp capable uber ship it was launched in the 70's or what ever so what would the borg learn from a primative craft? also why turn it into a massive ship and send it off on its merry way to scan stuff and look for its creater to pass on its information (i think) its not really the borgs mo.

eamon234

I thought it wasn't bad although Scott Bakula was a bit of a ham he really overplayed the part - the ship looked too clean though and oh sweet Jesus that theme tune - WTF???!!)
There were some good gritty elements you didn't see much in the other Trek series like Archer threatening to throw prisoners out of airlocks! It was more seat of your pants stuff which was interesting too.
I met some of the cast (Hoshi, Trip, Malcolm and Flox) a few years ago just after it was cancelled they were pretty pissed off! Nice people though, very friendly.

User45701

emm the probe was launced from earth in the 70's dissapeared into a black whole we lost all contact, well aprrently in star trek didnt the voyager probe crash on a planet populated by intellgent mechines (mechines annilating there bioligiocal creaters or a plague or whatever who knows) anyway they found the probe and discovered its mission (discover everything, kearn all that was learnable) they adopted this and refitten vger forthe task and they later became the borg with the same mission to assimilate all knowdelge (maybe the borg added the perfection bit after) aactually i just remembered got that from one of shatners star trek books... its non-cannon

bizmark

its non-cannon

It sure is seeming the borg queen said they where once very much like humanity in first contact and voyager established them as being at lest 800 year's old when the Vaadwaur dude's recognized seven as borg (or she mentioned it either way he wasnt suprised she looked human more that they where now rather massive)

Goodshape

User45701 wrote: »

emm the probe was launced from earth in the 70's dissapeared into a black whole we lost all contact, well aprrently in star trek didnt the voyager probe crash on a planet populated by intellgent mechines (mechines annilating there bioligiocal creaters or a plague or whatever who knows) anyway they found the probe and discovered its mission (discover everything, kearn all that was learnable) they adopted this and refitten vger forthe task and they later became the borg with the same mission to assimilate all knowdelge (maybe the borg added the perfection bit after) aactually i just remembered got that from one of shatners star trek books... its non-cannon

I really like that idea actually.

Is this from The Shat's return of Kirk books? Any good?

Johnny Storm

The whole of seasons 1, 2 and 3 are entirely non-canonical as they do not have the words "Star Trek" in the title. And therefore, thank God :rolleyes:, they are NOT Star Trek.

AFAICR the only eps I liked were the ones with Brent Spiner. And IMHO the ones where they explained the Klingon brow-ridges was just taking continuity porn way too far. The mirror universe ep was a let down too.
In general the whole show was lazy, lame, dumbed-down, badly written, badly cast and badly acted. Other than that it was OK

My personal belief is that the only people who like Enterprise are young people who saw Enterprise before they saw earlier Trek series. I blame their parents!

User45701

Johnny Storm wrote: »

My personal belief is that the only people who like Enterprise are young people who saw Enterprise before they saw earlier Trek series. I blame their parents!

**** THAT, (was fu but edited upon request)

i Started wathcing when i was very young, dont remeber but i was supposibly 4. my first real memory was when i was 5 and sick off school with chicken pox. I remember watching star trek TOS every day and ever since then i have watched all seasons each and every week as they came out?

how many of you remember the time before torrents or direct downloads? where episodes could come in countless parts and you got them all 1 by 1 and then showley over the course of a week you pieced them togehter on your 33k modem... ah memories.
anyway where was i, oh ye...

Johnny Storm wrote: »

My personal belief is that the only people who like Enterprise are young people who saw Enterprise before they saw earlier Trek series. I blame their parents!

Thats bollox, ive seen them all as they came out every episode, every season. every show and when i heard about enterprise i was unhappy because ds9 is my fav and i wanted to know, what happened next, they where not very clear about the cardassion ship loses the romualn line and there flag ship collapsed over 40% of all combat capable ships involed in the final push destroyed. The breen? so after attacking earth they just go back to breen space ? how does that make sence? i thought they allied with the dominion not joined them, also how will section 31's prediction follow?

The klingons will spend the next 10 years recovering the war and wont pose a series threat to anyone that leaves 2 powers to vie for controll. the federation and the romuals.

So many unanswered questions and i was annoyed enterprise was in the past because i would not get my answers, episode 1 was alright nothing amazing. Season 1 was ok, had a few ok episodes but there wasa tad too much cheese and it wasent good cheese like SG1 it was real americana cheeze.

Season 2 was better, episodes like minfield and the following epsidoe where they went to the station for repairs and i oculd go on but its 17.30 now so im tired and im going home

Jim

Cons
- Didn't "feel" too much like ST, but then again the post TNG series' was alot different from the original
- S1 & 2. Awful scripts, awful acting
- Too much sex, but TNG and TOS had the same problem. It just ends up being more cringeworthy than sexy. Although T'Pol is awesome.
- Malcom Reid and Travis Mayweather

Pros
- S3 & 4. Far superior to the first two season in almost everyway. Archer was much better when he was angry
- I enjoyed when they were dealing with the build up to the Federation etc and thought they used the bad eps from S1 and 2 well when referencing them later on.
- Dr. Flax

If you think about it the cons were similar to almost ever other series of Star Trek. Two really really bad series to be followed by top quality ****. I think its biggest downfall was not "feeling" enough like ST.

Goodshape

Jimeatsmenu wrote: »

- Too much sex, but TNG and TOS had the same problem.

I don't remember there being too much sex in TOS or TNG. There was Riker and Troi who had a bit of a history, and Kirk was a bit of a hot-shot with the wimmin.. but never anything as in your face or gratuitous as underwear-clad crew-members lubing each other up under the sexy blue lights of the "decontamination room".

What. the. ****. was that all about?!

User45701

quite simple, the early transporters where not able to filter out contanainations like more modern ones, also that wasent in the show i just guessed but it makes sense if you think about it

Ro: maaan!

I agree with almost everything User45701 says.


Where do you stand on abortion?

bizmark

User45701 wrote: »

quite simple, the early transporters where not able to filter out contanainations like more modern ones, also that wasent in the show i just guessed but it makes sense if you think about it

Yes! that must be it and not cheap t and a because they simply couldnt come up with decent plot's seriously like there was no overtly sexual ****e on tng or ds9 and they got on fine with out it so much so that they vie for top spot for favourt serise. Star trek died with voyager it was just bad hated janeway and the general "omg my family" ****e doctor annoyed me with his constant back stabing of the crew then getting off because he's "part of the family" seven was the start of the sexing up as well and the never ending alien of the day crap was really grateing >_<

Johnny Storm

User45701 wrote: »

...Thats bollox, ive seen them all as they came out every episode, every season....

Fair enough, so

I still believe that the majority of people who like Ent do so because its the first Trek series they've seen.

Also - no reaction to my statement that the first 3 seasons of "Enterprise" are non-canonical because they dont have "Star Trek" in the title?

Johnny Storm

Goodshape wrote: »

I don't remember there being too much sex in TOS or TNG. There was Riker and Troi who had a bit of a history, and Kirk was a bit of a hot-shot with the wimmin.. but never anything as in your face or gratuitous as underwear-clad crew-members lubing each other up under the sexy blue lights of the "decontamination room".

What. the. ****. was that all about?!

IMHO, that was about the fact that Berman and Braga ran out of ideas for how to make an entertaining Star Trek series and thought Trek fans were so dim that a bit of skin would make up for the lack of any actual content.

User45701

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Fair enough, so

I still believe that the majority of people who like Ent do so because its the first Trek series they've seen.

Also - no reaction to my statement that the first 3 seasons of "Enterprise" are non-canonical because they dont have "Star Trek" in the title?

Well if i remember at the start of season 4 (end of season 3) the temperal cold war came to a close so any temperal incursions that had made no sence.

One thing that ****ed with my head was how do they have viewscreen tech?
In the days of early human space travel they didnt have viewscrees and also why was there never a single mention of the earth/romulus war? that war was fought using nukes ffs. Treaty negoated over subspace so noone ever saw a romulan till over 100 years after ENT. so i dont get it. There are allot of problems that where not explained in enterprise but it still had some good episodes and if you do a search in the star trek forum for enterprise check all the episode polls and see what the general consesns was, i liked twilight and anzati prime allot but those are the only 2 names i can think of off hand.

bizmark

Just because they didnt see each other doesnt mean earth or the romulans didnt have the ablity to transmit visual's tbh that would be far odder if an intersteller travel capable race couldnt figure out how to send bloody pictures also seeming earth only had 2 nx class ship's we can assume the rest of the fleet is armed with laser's and nukes.

Was totaly unneeded to bring in "photonic torpedos" and stuff like that though for enterprise just didnt fit in over all but i guess you can pass it off as a super advanced new ship class that serves as a test bed for most new technology that will become the mainstay for starfleet for 100's of years....yey

Johnny Storm

User45701 wrote: »

... why was there never a single mention of the earth/romulus war? ...

AFAIK the Earth/Romulus war takes place AFTER Enterprise. Which does bring up a lot of continuity problems that you mention about the level of technology involved.

Ro: maaan!

When was this Earth/Romulan war with nukes mentioned? Can't say I remember anything about it?

bizmark

Ro: maaan! wrote: »

When was this Earth/Romulan war with nukes mentioned? Can't say I remember anything about it?

st : tos some episode spock said the last time earth fought the romulans it was with primative nukes.

Ro: maaan!

Ah right. Must brush up on my TOS.

Johnny Storm

Balance of terror

User45701

and speaking of which, what an episode eh?
one of the best Star Trek episode

The conversation between Kirk and the romulan commander

The fights in TOS where much more.... well this is better than some of the larger battles. I dont know how to describe it but its just better, more Shakespearian of something? no that does not make sense because i never had any interest in any of shakespears work. i dont know what the word is, epic? no that means large but what word would you use to describe the dialog in episodes like balance of terror oh! and the episode with the Organians.

Actually i think i might just order the remastered version of TOS once its out on HD DVD

Goodshape

Theatrical?

User45701

Goodshape wrote: »

Theatrical?

Ye that sounds good.

Maybe its because they where the first space battles i would have watched when i was like 5/6 and i was amazed

azezil

User45701 wrote: »

i thought that the cube that q threw them into was already on coause for sector 001 also why would earth be the borg sector 001 as in the first system catloged, thats dating back to Vger right? so technically humans did create the borg

lol, playing Star Trek Legacy much

As for Enterprise, I quite enjoyed it!
S1 was a bit 'meh', S2 it started getting good, S3 was very good and S4 rocked!!

User45701

legacy was about some vulan/borg/ one wasent it?.

I thought that game explained things like the Kaderaic expance and kinda contunied on from the story in the motion picture. id had some hints that when the E travled back in time that a lo powered signal went off and the cube from Q encounter was dispatched then q pushed the enterprise into a early encouteter with the borg.

What i was talking about was the voyager probe later due to rust became vger

azezil

I'll have to look again, but I'm nearly certain that was implied in the game as well tho, about vger, but yes the Vulcan eventually took over in the game