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dave1982

none other than former heavy weight champion of the world Frank Mir.Interesting fight for Lesnar if he wins he beats former champ in his ufc debut.If Mir wins he beats tv wrestler giving mma ago its o no win situation for Mir what has he to gain?Lesnar has all to gain nothing to lose.Id give fight to Lesnar on purely strenght his k1 fight end in ko in 1min
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cowzerp

dave1982 wrote: »

none other than former heavy weight champion of the world Frank Mir.Interesting fight for Lesnar if he wins he beats former champ in his ufc debut.If Mir wins he beats tv wrestler giving mma ago its o no win situation for Mir what has he to gain?Lesnar has all to gain nothing to lose.Id give fight to Lesnar on purely strenght his k1 fight end in ko in 1min
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Mir will murder him, unless its a set up or fix.

Yo Mamma

I think He's gonna get pwnd in the UFC. If he wants any chance of becoming a UFC great. He's gonna need about 2 years of fighting nobodies to get into proper UFC shape etc.

Otherwise he will do a Shamrock, and get battered. :rolleyes:

dunkamania

Interesting matchup,alot of unknowns.

Lesnar is untested,but an incredible athlete with a very strong amateur wrestling background.He also will be cutting weight to make 260,whereas Mir looks a bit soft around 250.Apparently Brock requested this mathup.Mir is still struggling to find form since that accident.

I think Brock is gonna take this one.Mir is gonna end up in bottom guard eating big shots for alot of the fight.

Tough one to call. Mir has been mostly rubbish since the crash and Brock is an unknown quantity. Interesting matchup and IMO a good call for his first fight.

Dragan

cowzerp wrote: »

Mir will murder him, unless its a set up or fix.

I can't think of any reason why Mir would murder him. Looking at the fight Logically we can come to the follow conclusions :

Wrestling : It's all Brock here, i don't see Mir giving him any trouble when it comes to takedowns or where the fight ends up occuring.

Stand up : Nobody has a clue what Brocks standup is like....at best we could assume it is poor to okay.....Mir's standup is nothing special.

BJJ : It's all Mir here

Conditioning : Brock.....even when he was on top of his game Mir would get tired....in his last few run outs Mir has looked terrible in this department.

I can't see Mir murdering Brock at all.....i can see him grabbing something and getting a tap, or i can see him being worked down, fatigued and then pounded out.

mark.leonard

Dragan wrote: »

I can't think of any reason why Mir would murder him. Looking at the fight Logically we can come to the follow conclusions :

Wrestling : It's all Brock here, i don't see Mir giving him any trouble when it comes to takedowns or where the fight ends up occuring.

Stand up : Nobody has a clue what Brocks standup is like....at best we could assume it is poor to okay.....Mir's standup is nothing special.

BJJ : It's all Mir here

Conditioning : Brock.....even when he was on top of his game Mir would get tired....in his last few run outs Mir has looked terrible in this department.

I can't see Mir murdering Brock at all.....i can see him grabbing something and getting a tap, or i can see him being worked down, fatigued and then pounded out.

One important aspect you've left out above is submissions. Mir has them and Brock really hasn't had time to get ready for the subs onslaught he is going to get. I am not saying it is going to be Mir by submission, I just think it wouldn't be very surprising if Mir did win that way!

mark.leonard

mark.leonard wrote: »

One important aspect you've left out above is submissions. Mir has them and Brock really hasn't had time to get ready for the subs onslaught he is going to get. I am not saying it is going to be Mir by submission, I just think it wouldn't be very surprising if Mir did win that way!

Submissions are a part of BJJ, so I think that was implied when he said "BJJ: Its all Mir here"

Nothingcompares

If I was going to hazard a guess as to who would win this freak show I'd back Mir to win by leg/ankle submission. Or BL to smash him with GnP from half guard.

cowzerp

Dragan wrote: »

I can't think of any reason why Mir would murder him..

Mir is a proven mma fighter and a fairly good all rounder, lesnar was a well respected amateur wrestler and a juiced up pro wrestler, i might be wrong but i think lesner is just a freak show-maybe dana white knows mir is finished and wants to build lesnars name by beating him! im not really interested long term as he;s only there because his pro wrestling and not his amateur background which is the way the ufc circus is going lately..

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote: »

Mir is a proven mma fighter and a fairly good all rounder, lesnar was a well respected amateur wrestler and a juiced up pro wrestler, i might be wrong but i think lesner is just a freak show-maybe dana white knows mir is finished and wants to build lesnars name by beating him! im not really interested long term as he;s only there because his pro wrestling and not his amateur background which is the way the ufc circus is going lately..

Lesnar is a 2 time NCAA HW champion, he has all the attributes to do just what Randy has done if he gets his striking and sub defence/subs up to par. He has freakish cardio for a guy his size and his power is unquestionable. he has potential.

cowzerp

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Lesnar is a 2 time NCAA HW champion, he has all the attributes to do just what Randy has done if he gets his striking and sub defence/subs up to par. He has freakish cardio for a guy his size and his power is unquestionable. he has potential.

Yes but thats not why he's there, thats my point-freak show, just like when mma shows get retired boxers like ray mercer and that idiot kimbo slice..all for publicity and nothing else

Clive

Interesting matchup.

If Mir wins, one of the scariest guys in WWE get beaten by someone who's not top tier anymore - good publicity.

If Lesnar wins, Mir gets dropped from the UFC, and more WWE fans will tune in for Lesnars next fight.

Striking is not an issue in this fight. Mir's will be better, but Lesnar will just go straight for a take down. The fight basically comes down to Mir's guard and leg locks vs Lesnar's ground and pound.

Normally you can count Mir out after the first round, but Lesnar's cardio is untested.

Colm_OReilly

Freeman-Mir anyoone?

I think cowerp's right about the why of the fight. Dana is only interested in the publicity aspect of it for sure. Doesn't mean that we can't enjoy it as fan's though

Valmont

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

Freeman-Mir anyoone?

one of my favourite fights of all time, the underdog taking the words 'beat down' to a new level. The picture of freeman standing over a broken mir is brilliant

dunkamania

This fight is hugely marketable, for some reason people are reacting very negatively to this. If you can’t market your fights, you’re not in the fight business. (Business being the key-word) Look at the payday’s for fighter’s in the UFC, Vera was on 100 + 100 vs 60 + 60 for Silva, who is the champ(this probably does not reflect Silva’s full pay). Vera is way more marketable, and is a fan favourite. UFC are trying to capitalise on Lesnar’s fame and are hoping they can make an impact with WWE fans. That being said, this match is by no means a freak show, Lesnar is an incredible athlete, and the Mir that we have seen of late will find him very difficult to deal with.

cowzerp

dunkamania wrote: »

This fight is hugely marketable, for some reason people are reacting very negatively to this..

Some young potential stars are missing out because these marketable fighters! why did he not do mma when he was at his wrestling peak? the same can be said for some of the tuf fighters who fight in the ufc, there in it because people know them and not because there the best, a couple a good like jardine and griffin but lots are not up to much, good marketing but not always in the fans interest!

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote: »

Yes but thats not why he's there, thats my point-freak show, just like when mma shows get retired boxers like ray mercer and that idiot kimbo slice..all for publicity and nothing else

Fighters in the UFC are there to draw, and I bet most MMA fans regardless of their opinion on Brock will tune in to see how he does, and all the pro wrestling fanboys will tune in also even if they dont normally follow MMA, so that makes him an assett cos the PPV numbers will be huge.

Freak shows like Bob Sapp who are just huge I can understand. Kimbo is a freak show cos he's known for video taping fights he has with complete nobodies on the streets and putting them on youtube. Freakshows.


In fairness to Lesnar at least he has a documented martial arts background to draw on. And a very successful one at that. im not sayin he's gonna be great, Im just sayin he does deserve the chance at the UFC more than some of the jokers who've been in there in recent years. (Sean Gannon, a lot of the TUF guys for instance)

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote: »

Some young potential stars are missing out because these marketable fighters!

Like who?? Name me one guy who Brock is impeding? Bear in mind that u havent given Brock who's a young green fighter being thrown in at the deep end himself, a chance. Ive only seen his one fight, where he annihalated his opponent. If he loses 3 in a row and still gets fights then I agree that others should get the chance. But this is his chance. Nobody in my mind is jumping out as deserving a shot at the UFC HW division (who's unsigned) right now besides Josh Barnett who said he's goin wherever Fedor goes. And hes not a young fighter. The UFC HW division isnt exactly overflowing with fighters right now.

cowzerp wrote:

why did he not do mma when he was at his wrestling peak?

Because he went into pro-wrestling before the MMA boom and he was earning millions back when the MMA guys were earning nothin. He walked away from that contract to pursue a legitimate competitive sport (American Football) and now he's in MMA. I dont doubt that his reason for doing this is because he wants to compete. I think he's gonna do ok too. Randy Couture didnt start MMA until he was 32 I think. Remember that MMA is a young sport and only very very recently has it become a sport u can make a living . Before about 2002/2003 the money was appalling and the fighters were barely making ends meet.

cowzerp wrote:

the same can be said for some of the tuf fighters who fight in the ufc, there in it because people know them and not because there the best, a couple a good like jardine and griffin but lots are not up to much, good marketing but not always in the fans interest!

Diego Sanchez, Joe Stevenson, Jardine, Forrest, Rashad, Josh Burkman, Stefan Bonnar, Ed Herman, Nate Quarry, Kenny Florian, Chris Leben, Mike Swick etc....... all of these guys would have made the UFC anyway. And I would pay to watch a lot of those guys ahead of some guys who are in UFC without having been on TUF.


Matt Hammill, Michael Bisbing, Kendall Grove......may not have made UFC but for TUF but they are now reaching the level required.

There were also guys who should never have been in an MMA match nevermind the UFC and TUF, guys like Eli Joslin, Danny Abbidi, Jason Thacker, Ross Pointon, Mike Nichols for example. But most of those guys arent in the UFC anymore thank god.


Bear in mind that TUF served to bring back Matt Serra, Travis Lutter, Scott Smith etc...

FiannaGym.com

Mir versus Freeman, one of the highlights of MMA, with Freemans dad dead in hospital as he wins. Amazing. haha.

I think this is gonna be a flash sub like against Pete Williams or Silvia or its gonna be a long slow destruction of Mir but more or less a terrible fight.

Should be good!

Peace