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Applied Mathematics: Linear Motion Problem

  • 02-11-2007 2:47pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭


    I've a problem with the 1997 Q1(b)(iii) in Applied Maths
    Here's the question:
    1997Q1biii.bmp

    I can do the first two parts but the last part is proving difficult. What causes the particle to return to q? It's not a collision so I'm led to believe it decelerates until the final velocity is 0 and then accelerates back towards q but I'm unsure what I have to do to answer the last part. Can somebody post a solution?

    Thanks,
    Alan


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭alan4cult


    It's ok I worked it out. I'm still wondering about other ways to do the last part?
    I may as well post a solution for anyone who wants it.
    .
    (b)(i)
    This part is fairly easy and there are many ways to do it. Let the distance from p to the point of collision be S1 and from Q to the same point S2. Therefore S1+S2=d

    Particle P
    u=2u
    a=f
    s=S1
    t=T(same for both)

    s=ut+[1/2]at^2
    S1=2uT+[f/2]T^2

    Particle Q
    u=3u
    a=-f
    s=S2
    t=T

    s=ut+[1/2]at^2
    S2=3uT-[f/2]T^2

    d=S1+S2=2ut+[f/2]T^2+3uT-[f/2]T^2
    d=5uT
    T=d/5u

    (b)(ii)
    Before the second particle comes to rest i.e. before v=0 i.e. v>0

    v=u+at
    v>0

    u+at>0
    3u-[fT]>0
    3u-f(d/5u)>0
    Multiply by 5u
    15u^2-fd>0
    fd<15u^2

    (b)(iii)
    This is the one that caught me out. Firstly the second particle goes towards p, then comes to a stop and heads back towards q. The collision will occur at q if fd=30u^2 so we need to prove this. The best way is to forget about the second particle and concentrate on what the first particle is doing.

    FOR FIRST PARTICLE
    u=2u
    a=f
    t=d/5u
    s=d(as it travels the complete distance from p to q)

    s=ut+[1/2]at^2
    d=2u(d/5u)+(f/2)(d^2/25u^2)
    d=d[2/5+fd/50u^2) --- Factor out d
    1=2/5+fd/50u^2
    50u^2=20u^2+fd
    fd=30u^2

    That seems enough to get the full marks but I'm still open to suggestions on other ways to this part (b)(iii).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,624 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=380
    youll have better luck here mate!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭ZorbaTehZ


    You could just argue that since it's constant acceleration and therefore symetric, it would take twice the time it would take Q to return to q. Therefore:

    d/5u = 2(3u/f)
    d/5u = 6u/f
    fd = 30u^2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭alan4cult


    Yep, that's pretty much how I was first thinking but, I wasn't sure what was causing the particle to return. When I think about it you could just say that s=0 at q

    s=ut+[1/2]at^2

    0=3ut-f/2t^2
    0=t(3u-f/2t)
    t=0
    or
    3u=f/2t
    6u=ft
    When t = d/5u
    6u=f(d/5u)
    30u^2=fd

    Sorry, a bit long winded with the equations but since yesterday that came to me and I hadn't written it down so had to work it here to make sure it was right.


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