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Don't want to be a walking cliche, but...

  • 29-10-2007 9:30pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34


    ...I'm depressed.

    Everywhere I look is misery. Most internet message boards I look at are filled with hate, racism and cold hearted laughter at the misfortunes of others. Seriously, look at youtube - you can't find a video that features a black person without comment after comment filled with N words. Same thing goes for videos with middle-eastern people. It seems the internet is full of morons who eat up government propaganda and sh1t hatred. When will people ever start to think for themselves? Why is it that you can hardly look at a video there without somebody posting the words "White Pride"? Why do people upload videos of others getting killed or injured, only for other people to comment on them with sentiments like "Haha pwned!"? Why is it that people don't give a sh1t about anybody else, or have to strain to feign sympathy?

    Also, I'm lonely. I've barely any friends to speak of, and the ones I do have, I never see and they have little in common with me. I feel like a weird person. All I do is work, play online games and surf the web (and see the ugly ass of humanity). I know I should make an effort to get out more (and away from the internet), but it's too late - I know what makes a lot of people in the world tick. I'm 24, and none of the 'dreams' I used to have look realistic. I've made half assed attempts at achievement, so maybe I shouldn't expect to amount to anything.

    When I was younger, I used to assume most people in the world were decent, and not racist, sexist, hateful, psychopathic..etc. But nature just seems to be churning out moron after moron.

    Where am I going with all this? Well, I don't see any way out. And yes, I want to get off this ugly, pointless train ride to nowhere. I don't want to be a part of this world, because it's nothing special. Man is a sorry accident of nature, and no matter how clever and special we think we are, we are still just another form of life, and life eats other life.. It's unfair when you think about it.

    Has anyone here ever said to themselves, "I didn't ask to be born, and now that I'm here, I want no part in this sick circus"...?

    Look, I know this may seem like a self-indulgent rant, but I'd really like to know how many other people have felt the same. I've nobody to talk to.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I'm in a similar situation I suppose. Feel like I'm just going through the motions in life and I'm just waiting for it all not to feel like a big waste of time. Also in the no-friends boat at the moment.

    I've tried at different periods of my life to get out there and just when I seem to be in the thick of things again, it dawns on me that most people are shallow and self-serving and I'm happier without them.

    And then the human thing eventually kicks in and I feel isolated and lonely. Rinse and repeat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭gubby


    You are so right! you need to get out more and off the internet. you need to look at this lovely world we are in. walk town the street and see laughing children, happy people. if you only look for sadnes and dispare that is all you will see. I wonder what you are looking at in youtube. I only look there for funny things like this http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=U35Q_96uXZA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭seaner


    I totally agree with what you're saying but.....I try not to focus on all the sh*t. There are lots of good in this world too....and I wouldn't focus too much on YouTube comments. The internet is full of morons - who can throw out racist / sexist / facist comments while sitting behind their computer but in real life probably wouldn't have the guts to spout the same tripe (thankfully)

    Maybe you could try and give something back ....what I mean is...by giving (charity work, visiting an elderly relative, general do-gooding) love will come back to you tenfold!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    I think you have hit the nail on the head, the internet has a lot of morons. I understand this because I like you am a bit of an online junkie. The simple answer is not everyone in the world is the way you describe, in fact the majority are good people. The anonymity of the internet is a haven for hateful idiots who can hide behind screen names, and the idiots are usually the loudest.

    If you don't get a good amount of human contact outside the net it can seem like everyone is like that. Try get out a little more even if its just to a a gaming lan event, meet some other gamers make a few new friends. If going to one of them is a little too big of a step, Maybe get involved with an Irish gaming clan for your favourite game, generally idiots hide behind fact that they could be anywhere around the world and this generally means if you join an Irish clan you will be with a decent bunch of people.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,110 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dizzyblonde


    Go out and volunteer for something, it'll make you feel good about yourself and the world. Do a soup run or something. You'll see suffering but also a lot of selfless giving and goodness.
    You're doing far too much thinking about yourself.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34 DeletedPencil


    Thanks for the replies so far guys. I know internet trolls wouldn't say half of the stuff they say online in real life, but I'm still wondering why those people think that way privately.

    I know I think about myself too much, Dizzy, but I can't help it. I'm stuck in it. I just find the world to be a horrible place and I wish none of it ever happened. BTW, there's no such thing as a selfless act. Such a concept can't exist.

    I know charity work is great to do, but I don't have the capacity to do it. I'm just not capable of staring into the face of even more despair. I know where you're all coming from though. Right now, though, I'm just at the point where I'm disinterested in life completely.

    I'm not sure what else can be said... just gonna go to bed now, wake up tomorrow, go to work

    sorry i'm aimlessly rambling now


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,110 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dizzyblonde


    Thanks for the replies so far guys. I know internet trolls wouldn't say half of the stuff they say online in real life, but I'm still wondering why those people think that way privately.

    I know I think about myself too much, Dizzy, but I can't help it. I'm stuck in it. I just find the world to be a horrible place and I wish none of it ever happened. BTW, there's no such thing as a selfless act. Such a concept can't exist.

    I know charity work is great to do, but I don't have the capacity to do it. I'm just not capable of staring into the face of even more despair. I know where you're all coming from though. Right now, though, I'm just at the point where I'm disinterested in life completely.

    I'm not sure what else can be said... just gonna go to bed now, wake up tomorrow, go to work

    sorry i'm aimlessly rambling now

    I really feel for you and think you need to talk to a professional because you sound very depressed and disillusioned. With the right kind of help you can overcome this.
    Please believe me when I tell you that there most certainly is such a thing as a selfless act. Yes there's a lot of bad in the world but there's a lot of good too, you just can't see it at the moment. I promise you it's there though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭bowsie casey


    I know charity work is great to do, but I don't have the capacity to do it. I'm just not capable of staring into the face of even more despair.

    There's lots of stuff out there you can do that doesn't involve despair: giving grinds / teaching English to refugees or disadvantaged kids, helping out with a cubs group, coaching a kids sports team, volunteering with various groups that help the elderly etc. Go for it....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    Thanks for the replies so far guys. I know internet trolls wouldn't say half of the stuff they say online in real life, but I'm still wondering why those people think that way privately.

    Its not that the idiots online aren't idiots in real life, its just usually the idiots online are usually much louder than they are in real life. They like getting on peoples nerves. For example with youtube videos normal people watch the video and rarely leave a comment, but the idiots leave a comment trying to irritate people because they crave attention. Its generally easier to stay away from them in real life by surrounding yourself with friends.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭sobriquet


    Hi OP. If you're a gamer and are on message boards you've probably seen this, but it's good: Penny Arcade's Greater Internet ****wad Theory.

    Some months ago I got to be by my mothers side as she died. She was sedated, and they had switched off life support, so we were simply waiting for her to expire. It's a remarkable thing, and amongst the more pedestrian (yes, honestly) that we had to go through with her illnesses. At the same time, my father couldn't be there - it was too soon after his chemo to be back in hospital, his immune system was too low.

    It's been a pretty **** couple of years, but the absolute making of me. Prior to that I was very aimless and worried about some kind of quarter life crisis. I still am, I've no idea what to do with myself, but few things concentrate your focus like the kind of stuff I've been through. One of things about I'll never forget is the stories people have told me of their own or loved ones' suffering and trials. I've met people who've been through absolutely awesome ordeals, and had to do some amazing things to get through, but they do. We all do, you just get through it.

    The good stuff is out there, and happening all the time, but none of it will come looking for you. The internet might make it look like everyone's a wanker, but from what I've seen and been told you'd have a hard time telling me that most people aren't basically decent folk just struggling by.

    You claim to know what makes the world tick - sorry dude, bull****. If you're that smart you'd understand selection bias for one thing. If you're willing to settle for life as defined through the prism of your browser, you're welcome to it. Otherwise, goals, friends, life all takes work, whatever it needs, it takes years. I'd recommend you start now, before life decides for you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Jesus Christ, cop the **** on. You're here. Deal with it. Are you in your late teens, early 20s? Here's what you have to do. And really, try to listen here...
    Cut this self-indulgent parlance **** out for a start. It's disparaging ****e. Begin to look at life from a positive viewpoint (look around you, and see the good things, because they are there, look for them) i.e. a swim in the sea with the sun on your skin, the smooth legs of a beautiful girl, a good book, whatever etc.
    Please please please give over with this stentorian self-pitying bull****.
    Do some new things, things which you are surely afraid to do. And next time you hear yourself saying 'no i can't do that', 'no i don't want to do that blah blah blah'.. You're gonna have to do things you don't want to do, do them. Doing these will make you stronger, and consequently, will make you happier.
    Just work on it. I can relate to where you're coming from, I was the most cynical pessimistic person you could meet, now i recognise when I hear that voice and if i hear that voice I tell it to stfu. You can change for the better.
    That my friend, that's your 'way out'.
    Follow it or don't. Live or needlessly self-pity.
    But listen, it's better to live.
    Finally, you will get some knocks along the way. But you just take them and keep on going.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ellisdee


    So if you stop to think, you would see that there's nothing to be very proud of after all. What does this do to your relationship with people? What are you complaining about? A young man came to complain that his girlfriend had let him down, that she had played false. What are you complaining about? Did you expect any better? Expect the worst, you're dealing with selfish people. You're the idiot -- you glorified her, didn't you? You thought she was a princess, you thought people were nice. They're not! They're not nice. They're as bad as you are -- bad, you understand? They're asleep like you. And what do you think they are going to seek? Their own self-interest, exactly like you. No difference. Can you imagine how liberating it is that you'll never be disillusioned again, never be disappointed again? You'll never feel let down again. Never feel rejected. Want to wake up? You want happiness? You want freedom? Here it is: Drop your false ideas. See through people. If you see through yourself, you will see through everyone. Then you will love them. Otherwise you spend the whole time grappling with your wrong notions of them, with your illusions that are constantly crashing against reality.

    It's probably too startling for many of you to understand that everyone except the very rare awakened person can be expected to be selfish and to seek his or her own self-interest whether in coarse or in refined ways. This leads you to see that there's nothing to be disappointed about, nothing to be disillusioned about. If you had been in touch with reality all along, you would never have been disappointed. But you chose to paint people in glowing colors; you chose not to see through human beings because you chose not to see through yourself. So you're paying the price now.

    Before we discuss this, let me tell you a story. Somebody once asked, "What is enlightenment like? What is awakening like?" It's like the tramp in London who was settling in for the night. He'd hardly been able to get a crust of bread to eat. Then he reaches this embankment on the river Thames. There was a slight drizzle, so he huddled in his old tattered cloak. He was about to go to sleep when suddenly a chauffeur-driven Rolls-Royce pulls up. Out of the car steps a beautiful young lady who says to him, "My poor man, are you planning on spending the night here on this embankment?" And the tramp says, "Yes." She says, "I won't have it. You're coming to my house and you're going to spend a comfortable night and you're going to get a good dinner." She insists on his getting into the car. Well, they ride out of London and get to a place where she has a sprawling mansion with large grounds. They are ushered in by the butler, to whom she says, "James, please make sure he's put in the servants' quarters and treated well." Which is what James does. The young lady had undressed and was about to go to bed when she suddenly remembers her guest for the night. So she slips something on and pads along the corridor to the servants' quarters. She sees a little chink of light from the room where the tramp was put up. She taps lightly at the door, opens it, and finds the man awake. She says, "What's the trouble, my good man, didn't you get a good meal?" He said, "Never had a better meal in my life, lady." "Are you warm enough?" He says, "Yes, lovely warm bed." Then she says, "Maybe you need a little company. Why don't you move over a bit." And she comes closer to him and he moves over and falls right into the Thames.

    Ha! You didn't expect that one! Enlightenment! Enlightenment! Wake up. When you're ready to exchange your illusions for reality, when you're ready to exchange your dreams for facts, that's the way you find it all. That's where life finally becomes meaningful. Life becomes beautiful.

    There's a story about Ramirez. He is old and living up there in his castle on a hill. He looks out the window (he's in bed and paralyzed) and he sees his enemy. Old as he is, leaning on a cane, his enemy is climbing up the hill -- slowly, painfully. It takes him about two and a half hours to get up the hill. There's nothing Ramirez can do because the servants have the day off. So his enemy opens the door, comes straight to the bedroom, puts his hand inside his cloak, and pulls out a gun. He says, "At last, Ramirez, we're going to settle scores!" Ramirez tries his level best to talk him out of it. He says, "Come on, Borgia, you can't do that. You know I'm no longer the man who ill-treated you as that youngster years ago, and you're no longer that youngster. Come off it!" "Oh no," says his enemy, ''your sweet words aren't going to deter me from this divine mission of mine. It's revenge I want and there's nothing you can do about it." And Ramirez says, "But there is!" "What?" asks his enemy. "I can wake up," says Ramirez. And he did; he woke up! That's what enlightenment is like. When someone tells you, "There is nothing you can do about it," you say, "There is, I can wake up!" All of a sudden, life is no longer the nightmare that it has seemed. Wake up!

    Somebody came up to me with a question. What do you think the question was? He asked me, "Are you enlightened?" What do you think my answer was? What does it matter!

    You want a better answer? My answer would be: "How would I know? How would you know? What does it matter?" You know something? If you want anything too badly, you're in big trouble. You know something else? If I were enlightened and you listened to me because I was enlightened, then you're in big trouble. Are you ready to be brainwashed by someone who's enlightened? You can be brainwashed by anybody, you know. What does it matter whether someone's enlightened or not? But see, we want to lean on someone, don't we? We want to lean on anybody we think has arrived. We love to hear that people have arrived. It gives us hope, doesn't it? What do you want to hope for? Isn't that another form of desire?

    You want to hope for something better than what you have right now, don't you? Otherwise you wouldn't be hoping. But then, you forget that you have it all right now anyway, and you don't know it. Why not concentrate on the now instead of hoping for better times in the future? Why not understand the now instead of forgetting it and hoping for the future? Isn't the future just another trap?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Miss Fluff


    I don't know how you can be so bold as to post about how sh1te humanity and life in general is when you have chosen to opt out of life. Spending every waking moment online is NOT real life so you are commenting on something you don't know a huge amount about. Ban yourself from going online for a while and go and live your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Elessar


    Yeah, life sucks. Cry me a river. No, nobody asked you to be here, you were not given a choice. Go and end it all if that is what you want to do. Noone is going to stop you. It is your choice. Just another choice.

    You can choose to live life, change it maybe, get some help, get yourself in order. Or not. It's up to you what you do with your life. It's good, isn't it? Knowing you have a choice. I can tell you there is an awful lot of people out there feeling like you. And people wonder why we have so much suicide!

    Have a good think about it, and do what you want.

    Edit: Oh, and don't listen to that long post above. That's crazy talk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭jawlie


    gubby wrote: »
    You are so right! you need to get out more and off the internet. you need to look at this lovely world we are in. walk town the street and see laughing children, happy people. if you only look for sadnes and dispare that is all you will see. I wonder what you are looking at in youtube. I only look there for funny things like this http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=U35Q_96uXZA

    I think you have hit the nail on the head, the internet has a lot of morons. I understand this because I like you am a bit of an online junkie. The simple answer is not everyone in the world is the way you describe, in fact the majority are good people. The anonymity of the internet is a haven for hateful idiots who can hide behind screen names, and the idiots are usually the loudest.

    If you don't get a good amount of human contact outside the net it can seem like everyone is like that. Try get out a little more even if its just to a a gaming lan event, meet some other gamers make a few new friends. If going to one of them is a little too big of a step, Maybe get involved with an Irish gaming clan for your favourite game, generally idiots hide behind fact that they could be anywhere around the world and this generally means if you join an Irish clan you will be with a decent bunch of people.

    Go out and volunteer for something, it'll make you feel good about yourself and the world. Do a soup run or something. You'll see suffering but also a lot of selfless giving and goodness.
    You're doing far too much thinking about yourself.
    I really feel for you and think you need to talk to a professional because you sound very depressed and disillusioned. With the right kind of help you can overcome this.
    Please believe me when I tell you that there most certainly is such a thing as a selfless act. Yes there's a lot of bad in the world but there's a lot of good too, you just can't see it at the moment. I promise you it's there though.
    Miss Fluff wrote: »
    I don't know how you can be so bold as to post about how sh1te humanity and life in general is when you have chosen to opt out of life. Spending every waking moment online is NOT real life so you are commenting on something you don't know a huge amount about. Ban yourself from going online for a while and go and live your life.


    Elessar wrote: »
    Yeah, life sucks. Cry me a river. No, nobody asked you to be here, you were not given a choice. Go and end it all if that is what you want to do. Noone is going to stop you. It is your choice. Just another choice.

    You can choose to live life, change it maybe, get some help, get yourself in order. Or not. It's up to you what you do with your life. It's good, isn't it? Knowing you have a choice. I can tell you there is an awful lot of people out there feeling like you. And people wonder why we have so much suicide!

    Have a good think about it, and do what you want.

    Edit: Oh, and don't listen to that long post above. That's crazy talk.


    God save us all from that most awful of modern day phenomenona, amateur psycho babble. What is it about guys that they feel they should rush to offer the fruits of their advice? Most of this advice is merely clichéd and of no value to anyone (“you sound very depressed and disillusioned” etc etc).

    I particularly like the irony of the advice, given on the internet, to stop spending so much time on the internet and that there is a life outside the internet! I’m sure that never occurred to the OP so well done you for pointing it out!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Marksie


    Jawlie: Thank you for the benefit of YOUR advice. If you want to rant about what is being said in PI take it to feedback and not within thread.

    If you disagree with what is being said, then post your own ideas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    jawlie wrote: »
    God save us all from that most awful of modern day phenomenona, amateur psycho babble. What is it about guys that they feel they should rush to offer the fruits of their advice? Most of this advice is merely clichéd and of no value to anyone (“you sound very depressed and disillusioned” etc etc).

    I particularly like the irony of the advice, given on the internet, to stop spending so much time on the internet and that there is a life outside the internet! I’m sure that never occurred to the OP so well done you for pointing it out!

    I think Marksie is being too lenient for not banning you outright. The O.P. came here for some advice, previous posters including myself tried to give some helpful advice from our own experiences, and you come here to simply berate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    i havnt read all the replies so i really hope this has been said already

    dude your talking crap. there is a **** load of good in the world to go along with all the crap you just need to get over this self pitying pedistal of criticism about everything you see

    1. the internet is not the whole world yet you are judging life and people in general on what you see on the internet

    2. you say yourself you dont get out enough therefore all the great loving caring people are walking you the **** by and its your own fault

    3. complaining about all the **** in the world and then refusing to do charity work of any kind is a bit ****ing hypocritical man and using a sorry excuse of i cant face more despair is letting you conveniently go about your life in self pity

    you need to snap out of it and either enjoy life to the full or go out and help someone or preferably both you really dont have any excuse not to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    TBH OP you need to get away from the internet for a bit. I'd recommend taking up a hobby that draws on the creative side. Mine is now photography and it does help me see things from a different perspective. The one thing to remember is that life is full of peaks and troughs and there are normally more troughs than peaks; buts thats what makes the good times so good.

    Just get on with your life. Do something different, go somewhere different. If you like to travel plan a trip to somewhere new. Sure life can suck but the world is also a wonderful place and you are young enough to go and explore it. Use these days and do not waste them getting down over things you more than likely have no control over.

    (God I feel like a frigging hippy now!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    The world is full of **** because it's easier to be a bad person than a good one. The lazy selfish option will always be the easiest, so is the route we can end up taking sometimes.

    Life your own life the way you want to....you'll never change the way people think....but sometimes you can make peoples lifes a little better just by living your own.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    The internet is just a tool that provides forums etc. where people can interact on a detached level and over great distances. It has its good points and its bad points but if you can only see the bad points and yet spend so much time on it that probably says something that's worth looking into. Likewise with people, it's hard to find anyone who is all bad or anyone who is all good on any subject. Talk to someone about your situation. Outside of friends, a GP might help or at least point you in the right direction. The Samaritans will listen to you. There are plenty of activities outside of the internet but only you can choose to take the time for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭BillyGoatGruff


    (off topic) Them laughing babies on you tube had me in stitches. Brightened up my day anyway.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 287 ✭✭TheThing!


    You seem to be of the opinion that life owes you something, that life is there to become what you want it to be. This is most certainly not the case. The people who get what they want out of this life are those who go out and make sure that they get. Life is rediculously strange and stupid, as is the human race, but it is the entirety of our existence and therefore it is all we can derive happiness from. Don't bother with thinking about how you would like to feel, just go out there and live what ever way you want regardless of how others feel about it. If there are people who want to bring you down by being small and petty, leaves them out in the cold of their own sad existence, and persue what is important to you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    life is what ever you make it
    if you wanted you could become rich or start a family or get a new job or new hobbys its all up to you. if you are depressed its time for change
    i was in a situation like yours a while back and said to myself ITS TIME FOR CHANGE got rid of all the computergames crap which i had waisted my youth on got myself a class car got myself a girlfriend which was a hard thing for me to do got into a good working ethnic
    i have a good future to look foward to a house family etc but i worked hard at it i could still be playing video game **** halking on the iternets and living in parents house if i didnt get my act together.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I know how you feel in a way, I've felt the same myself in the past, albeit to a lesser extent. So, some practical advice, I suppose:

    Yes, there is plenty of evil in the world. But it's the only one you're ever going to live in, and some day you'll be gone so you might as well make the most of it while you're here. There is tons of good too, it just might not seem that way when you're not being exposed to it enough. And you, being isolated, are quite clearly not.

    As has been said, some people write a lot of sick and twisted stuff on the internet, just because they can, because they're not actually speaking face to face to anyone and no-one will know they did it. It's just graffiti, really. Here's the thing though - if you are spending so much time on the internet that it's sort of become your life, you will take that kind of stuff much more seriously than you should.

    So clearly, what you need to do is to get out of your isolated state. Once you do that, everything else will fall into place - obviously everything won't be perfect, but you will have a much better quality of life. You've probably become apathetic at this stage and just can't really be arsed to make the effort to do this. I know, I was there once too. You have to get beyond this - that's more than half the battle. The very fact you've posted here, though, shows that you have some motivation to get yourself out of the quagmire in which you have become trapped. You've made a start.

    People can be annoying, they can be total cnuts in fact. But we need them utterly. We go a bit weird without them. You are not the epitome of perfection yourself, none of us is, so you'll just have to accept people as they are and realise that, while life with other people can annoy the hell out of you, it's infinitely better than life without other people.

    This is the root of your problem. People. You need 'em. If there were more people in your life, you'd have less time to spend trawling the internet getting depressed by what you find there, and less time to spend contemplating the negative aspects of your life and of the world in general. So... how can they be found?

    You say you work, but your job doesn't seem to be fulfilling your social needs at all. Is the job expendable? If so, consider changing jobs, if not, perhaps you could get an additional part-time job. If you're going down the additional job route, make it something fun. Don't bother about the pay, after all that isn't why you're doing it. Make it something super-social. Even if that scares you at first, you'll get over it - there's nothing like jumping in at the deep end. The reason this is a good idea is that it'll force you to spend time in social situations, interacting with other people - you won't be able to just drift away. You'll have a shared purpose - the job - which will help build a sense of camaraderie and you'll have something to talk about with your colleagues - the job itself. This will really help to bring you out of yourself. Of course, for this to work, the job has to be interesting and social: consider bar work, catering work, promotions work, working at some sort of amusement or social venue, a sport or hobby related job, work which is team-heavy, work which involves you organising something with a group of people.. you get my gist. Another good option would be working with kids or teenagers (excellent for bringing you out of yourself!), particularly if the job involves a group of adults organising social events for the kids/teenagers. Not a desk job or one which involves computers, in short!

    I know you have been unenthusiastic about the idea of voluntary work, but seriously, consider it. A lot of voluntary work is not depressing - on the contrary, it's heartwarming. Choose wisely - again, consider working with kids or young people. Kids are wonderful in their readiness to accept you as you are. (And they're really easy to talk to, you'll see.) Good projects include weekend social clubs for disadvantaged kids and teenagers, and homework clubs for school-goers. There are loads more, and you don't have to do that sort of thing - you can also work with people with disabilities or disadvantaged adults, etc. Contact the Vincent de Paul or a similar organisation for more information.

    The added bonus of both of the above suggestions is that they should help you to meet new people that you can socialise with outside of working hours, too. (Colleagues going for a drink together, etc.)

    Also, join some social clubs or sports clubs that you have an interest in (or, if you're feeling really apathetic, ones that you once would have had an interest in). There's a huge selection, they're usually marvellously social and often have trips away.

    Ask someone for help in weaning you off the internet, perhaps a family member. You'll find it much more difficult to do it on your own. Tell them you are only allowing yourself a couple of hours a week (or whatever). Explain that you've been spending too much time on it recently. Get them to mind your computer for you, to ration your time strictly, whatever is necessary.

    As I've said, people are strange creatures and can be unkind, confusing and generally drive you mad. But think about times you were really happy. Go back years if you have to. These memories probably include other people, don't they? Staying isolated may seem like the easiest and safest option, but it just leads to blankness and, ultimately, depression. Other people will help you live life properly again.

    Hope I've been of some help. Good luck :D


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