Got Ripped off

pm.

Just found out that my remington 700 sps was only worth €850 max from a gun dealer when i went to trade in, its only 3 months old and i was never happy with the accuracy of it so i decided to change it, i was told my anschutz .22 hornet was worth €900 and the remington new is €1100 so i traded in my hornet and gave €200, im so pissed with this gun dealer whom ive been dealing with for years and got him LOT of new costumers, if its ok with the mods id like to name and shame but dont want to get boards into trouble.

cavan shooter

I feel for you, You should always shop around before making up your mind. Also look to US prices they are a good indication. Then go back and ask how much for ???? look at UK magazines too. It is very easy to buy in the north, Living close to the north I use that as a bargaining chip. I get good value, and purchase from one or two very good dealers, one over the boarder.

send me a pm if you want the details of them

bunny shooter

I'll presume you want to trade it back to dealer that sold it to you. Bought for €1100, trade in value €850.

Once you take gun out of the shop dealer will knock off 21% of its value, hence €1100 - 21% = €790.

pm.

bunny shooter wrote: »

I'll presume you want to trade it back to dealer that sold it to you. Bought for €1100, trade in value €850.

Once you take gun out of the shop dealer will knock off 21% of its value, hence €1100 - 21% = €790.

i bought it for €1100 when the real price new is €850, cant belive how low this gun dealer scooped to rip me off :mad:

Kramer

pm. wrote: »

Just found out that my remington 700 sps was only worth €850 max from a gun dealer.

€750 for the SPS from Duffy's in Galway:
http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_24&products_id=21

sixpointfive

Where did you get the 850 price?? That maybe so for a straight deal but when you are trading in there has to be a little room for the dealer to make somthing, theese guys work on fairly small mark ups from what i can see, maybe im wrong but thats the way it looks from here,

Sparks

pm. wrote: »

if its ok with the mods id like to name and shame but dont want to get boards into trouble.

There's no problem with naming the dealer and the price you got, but claiming that you were ripped off... well, read 6.5's post, it's right on the money (if you'll pardon the pun). Caveat Emptor applies here in spades I'm afraid

pm.

sixpointfive wrote: »

Where did you get the 850 price?? That maybe so for a straight deal but when you are trading in there has to be a little room for the dealer to make somthing, theese guys work on fairly small mark ups from what i can see, maybe im wrong but thats the way it looks from here,

maybe i didn't explain myself properly. I traded in my hornet which i was told was worth 900-1000 for a remington .223 sps plus i paid €200 as i was told the remington was worth 1100. How much do you think these dealers should make and what do you call being ripped off as some people have said the rrp on the sps is a low as 750 a big difference to 1100.

bunny shooter

It would appear you may have been ripped off, I would imagine a 'cash price' would be less than the €850 ? €1100 does seem a bit dear, I got a VSSF for €1600 and that was a 'trade in' price

pm.

bunny shooter wrote: »

It would appear you may have been ripped off, I would imagine a 'cash price' would be less than the €850 ? €1100 does seem a bit dear, I got a VSSF for €1600 and that was a 'trade in' price

ill take a trip down to the gun dealer tomorrow and see what happens, if the response is negative i will name and shame.

Gerri

bunny shooter wrote: »

It would appear you may have been ripped off, I would imagine a 'cash price' would be less than the €850 ? €1100 does seem a bit dear, I got a VSSF for €1600 and that was a 'trade in' price

1150 for my VSSF, cash.

bunny shooter

Gerri wrote: »

1150 for my VSSF, cash.

That's an exceptional price !

17REM

vssf ii for 1300. you shold have rang around not much point crying about it afterwards

pm.

just got back from Mulvihills gun shop in ballymahon co.longford, when i explained my case to dave ( the owner ) he showed me the cost price of the sps €600 plus vat, he sells this gun for €950 a big difference to €750 here http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_24&products_id=21 i was also told to fcuk off out of the shop no less than 3 times even tho i have spent god knows what over the years and brought a lot of friends to him that spent thousands between them, i will just have to put this down to experience, but i know 1 thing for sure i will never darken the door of that place any more and will tell all i know about my experience :mad::mad:

boc121

Well done for naming, hope you told him to go to fcuk.
Sounds like a right ar**hole does'nt know which side
his bread is buttered.Hope it all backfires on him.

Keelan

I know a lot of fellas in the shooting game ect that have been to him and go to him and will name and shame him as well, that was not called for!!!!!!!

Our man in Havana

Which was not called for Keelan, naming the guy or what the guy did to the OP?

Keelan

Sorry, think you have it rong here some how??
I think he should be named and shamed, the firearms dealer, who did what he did to P.M.

Keelan.

Our man in Havana

Fair enough so.

bengie

why an i not surprised, i dealt with dave for a good few years also and when i traded in my shotgun he did the same to me my gun was worth €1100 as a trade in but he only gave me €800, same as you pm it wasnt till after i had the deal done that i realized id made a big mistake, i trusted him as i dealt there for years and i to got riped off buyer beware.

triskell

I been in the same situation as you lads but not with yer man in ballymahon.. yet. Another dealer local to that area ripped me of . people need to no who they can trust . so why not set up a sticky with provable stories of rip offs and good deals. maybe then these dealers will start to treat us with a little respect instead of prey

meathstevie

Talking about prices and stuff. Has anyone any idea what an Anschutz 1430 in .22 Hornet, built in 1974 with no damage except a broken blade sight and a few small nicks in the wood would be worth ? I was given a price by someone I don't want to mention that nearly made me ring the GP to book a hearing test. Just to give you an idea what sort of rifle we're talking about read the following : I wouldn't be a crack shot with a rifle but a lad most of you will know from here shot a group of 3 shots a little bit less than a centimetre square with it from about a hundred yards.

bunny shooter

meathstevie wrote: »

Talking about prices and stuff. Has anyone any idea what an Anschutz 1430 in .22 Hornet, built in 1974 with no damage except a broken blade sight and a few small nicks in the wood would be worth ? I was given a price by someone I don't want to mention that nearly made me ring the GP to book a hearing test. Just to give you an idea what sort of rifle we're talking about read the following : I wouldn't be a crack shot with a rifle but a lad most of you will know from here shot a group of 3 shots a little bit less than a centimetre square with it from about a hundred yards.

Rifle is 33 years old......€800 ?

cavan shooter

It is worth as much as someone wants to pay.

Considering that a new CZ is about the same ????????? check the anchutz web for a price comparison
I know they say firearms of certain quality hold there value, but there is also the chancer who tries to take the pi$$

E@gle.

pm. wrote: »

just got back from Mulvihills gun shop in ballymahon co.longford, when i explained my case to dave ( the owner ) he showed me the cost price of the sps €600 plus vat, he sells this gun for €950 a big difference to €750 here http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_24&products_id=21 i was also told to fcuk off out of the shop no less than 3 times even tho i have spent god knows what over the years and brought a lot of friends to him that spent thousands between them, i will just have to put this down to experience, but i know 1 thing for sure i will never darken the door of that place any more and will tell all i know about my experience :mad::mad:

That shop is less than 10 miles from me, iv never been in there though, i heard he was fairly sound

meathstevie

I was offered around 200, that's what I call taking the pizz and a bit more on top. You wouldn't get an Anschutz rimfire for under a thousand Euro new of the shelf...

Our man in Havana

No wonder you were looking for a hearing test.

revan23

i got quoted 750 euros for a remmy 597, when duffys are selling them for 300, what the hell??

Our man in Havana

750? Holy mother of God. I paid 300 for mine.

rrpc

revan23 wrote: »

i got quoted 750 euros for a remmy 597, when duffys are selling them for 300, what the hell??

Who quoted that? You should name and shame.

You'd have to wonder who would try a stunt like that with the internet available to anyone who wants to check prices.

pm.

E@gle. wrote: »

That shop is less than 10 miles from me, iv never been in there though, i heard he was fairly sound

its about 10 miles from me to and i taught he was sound, look what happened to me !!!!

E@gle.

pm. wrote: »

its about 10 miles from me to and i taught he was sound, look what happened to me !!!!

i have never been, i dont think i will now

marlyman

this is my two cents worth, ive been dealing with dave for 4 years now. whenever i had a problem - like fitting a picatinny rail to my new t3 left handed he spend two days sorting out the sako part number and ordering it. even after we got it in wrong twice. he charged memthe cost price of the rail too - he showed me the invoice from ardee. my stock on my cz17 had to be lengthened and he put a lot of time into that for no charge also. when i buy a carton of 223 ammo (25 boxes) he gives me 2 free. i have yet to find a better dealer.

im not standing up for the man but i have nothing but good to say about him. also my frined sent his marlin 17 semi auto to be threaded in daves and his gunsmith damaged the barrel. dave gave nim the full new price of the marlin as a trade in against any rifle in the shop - we took an ansuhtz 17. which i think was very sound and a lot of other guys wouldnt do.

macnas

P.M. Gun dealers have been bumping up the value of trade-ins against bumped up new prices for years. The truth is that the arse has dropped out of the secondhand hornet market, everyone switching to .223 has meant that hornets are not very saleable. I don't think the issue is the price of the new gun, it's more to do with the value of your old one.

pm.

macnas wrote: »

P.M. Gun dealers have been bumping up the value of trade-ins against bumped up new prices for years. The truth is that the arse has dropped out of the secondhand hornet market, everyone switching to .223 has meant that hornets are not very saleable. I don't think the issue is the price of the new gun, it's more to do with the value of your old one.

i know the fella bought the hornet he paid €970 for it the day after i traded it in and if you look here http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_24&products_id=21 you will see the sps is only €750 mac bride sells them for €800 and dave sells them for €960, so my issue is with both the new gun and the value he gave me for my hornet

bunny shooter

He must have been wearing a mask, name & shame, that might stop it

maglite

If you get proof of quote i would't see a prob with naming


on the other side Mossberg .22lr c.20years old, will shoot .5MOa at 50 is only scrap value, ie he will throw it out for free,

He just said to be sure you bring all the bits in when you scrap it, the pin sights, swivels and that stuff

bunny shooter

maglite wrote: »

If you get proof of quote i would't see a prob with naming


on the other side Mossberg .22lr c.20years old, will shoot .5MOa at 50 is only scrap value, ie he will throw it out for free,

He just said to be sure you bring all the bits in when you scrap it, the pin sights, swivels and that stuff

If it's in good condition it would be sold on, I guarantee it, if only for small money

cantona

No matter what you are buying, you must be aware that an item is only worth what you are willing to pay for it. If you only go to one shop to price something, then that is the price to pay. In this day and age, with the internet and forums like this , you have no excuse for not shopping around or at least getting an informed estimation before you commit to buying.

If I was a retailer and you came in, and I quoted you a price, and you bought, why should it worry me if , when you went to the range somebody said you paid too much.

If you want to buy a house, you do your research beforehand, why not for everything else you buy?

Just because you paid too much does not mean the vendor scre*ed you, it means that you went in, in a position to be scre*ed. Vendors are there to make money not to advise you that your figures are wrong but to make money for themselves.

EMPERATOR CAVEAT

bunny shooter

True, but they will find they only have a short term business as one local dealer here found out. Ripping people off and getting found out is not a good advertisment. Shooters know other shooters and they talk to each other, dealers beware

pm.

tbh i agree with you, but for a lad that called me a valued customer and a lad i trusted i didnt even think about going anywhere but my local gun dealer, and its sad to say that you cant trust a local gun dealer that you have been dealing with for years but the truth is you cant at least in this case.



QUOTE=cantona;54461259]No matter what you are buying, you must be aware that an item is only worth what you are willing to pay for it. If you only go to one shop to price something, then that is the price to pay. In this day and age, with the internet and forums like this , you have no excuse for not shopping around or at least getting an informed estimation before you commit to buying.

If I was a retailer and you came in, and I quoted you a price, and you bought, why should it worry me if , when you went to the range somebody said you paid too much.

If you want to buy a house, you do your research beforehand, why not for everything else you buy?

Just because you paid too much does not mean the vendor scre*ed you, it means that you went in, in a position to be scre*ed. Vendors are there to make money not to advise you that your figures are wrong but to make money for themselves.

EMPERATOR CAVEAT[/QUOTE]

revan23

its a shame there are not more shops using the internet, im sure duffys gets a lot of business as a result, and other gun dealers may be completely unaware that they are being discussed here...