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Native american indian dog
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22-10-2007 03:50PM#1
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No offence, lovely Tom, but I'm with Nala on this one.
Why does it have to be the most exotic of exotic breeds (if it even is a breed) that will be difficult as hell to get when there are thousands of native Irish dogs dying every year?
If you're after something that resembles that breed description, get yourself a collie mix. They're clever, independent, have a long history, come in a variety of shapes and colours and if you get an odd looking one you can always make up your own fantasy breed name for it
Plus there are hundreds of unwanted ones going spare.
here are a few examples from irishanimals.com:
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as stupid as it sounds, I had never even thought about rehoming a dog:o... but after looking around that website there is no reason to spend all that money when i can save a dog for free... thanks
Good for you !!
Now at least one unwanted dog will get a chance at life.
To "RASCO1975" : I accept your points made above, but there's nothing wrong with putting in a plug for unwanted dogs - god knows they need it, and this plug paid off did n't it ?
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Hi there,
there is a pretty long list of hypoallergenic dog breeds:
Hypoallergenic dog breeds
Airedale Terrier
American Hairless Terrier
Basenji
Bedlington Terrier
Bergamasco
Bichon Frisé
Bolognese
Border Terrier
Bouvier des Flandres
Cairn Terrier
Chacy Ranior
Chinese Crested
Coton De Tulear
Fox Terrier (Wire)
Hairless Khala
Havanese
Irish Water Spaniel
Kerry Blue Terrier
Lagotto Romagnolo
Lhasa Apso
Maltese
Miniature Poodle
Miniature Schnauzer
Native American Indian Dog
Peruvian Inca Orchid
Portuguese Water Dog
Puli
Scottish Terrier
Shih Tzu
Silky Terrier
Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
Spanish Water Dog
Standard Poodle
Standard Schnauzer
Tibetan Terrier
Toy Poodle
Welsh Terrier
West Highland White Terrier
Yorkshire Terrier
Xoloitzcuintle
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoallergenic_dog_breeds
Some of which are quite common. 0 -
...the fact that, that breed is known to be rather hypoallergenic and my little brother is a bit allergic to dogs...
Do you know what your brother is allergic to?
Is it hair or something else?
If it's hair, then there aren't that many options as pretty much all dogs shed except for poodles and some of their mixes or other "water" dogs like the Water Spaniel or the Barbet.
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just having seen Egars post, I stand corrected
If its something else (me for example, I'm very mildly allergic to cats, but not their hair, its their saliva) you'd better bring your brother along when selecting a dog to see if he reacts or not.
Because it wouldn't relly be fair to take a dog home only to have to send it back again after a few days because the allergic reaction is too strong.0 -
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I do my bit Nala, believe me. Just because I don't brag and whine about it, doesn't mean I don't do my bit, I have rehomed a number of dogs after minding them for months.
Again your missing the point, your sneering and your having to laugh at the op is just going to put him off asking "experts" advice. You are better off (you could take this advice in life too) being nice about it, not laughing at people if they are not familiar with the subject.
Maybe if you pointed him in the right direction in a nicer way, posted up some pics, stopped laughing at him and deriding him, he would consider an unwanted dog.
Thats all, I do care about dogs, I don't care much for your attitude.
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Can I suggest that you all take a deep breath...
I run a rescue and I often get calls/emails from people asking for advice about acquiring a certain breed. I help if I can and have met brilliant people through my work. One of my best fosterers ever for young/sick puppies is a breeder.
Not too long ago someone posted on here asking for an APBT pup, I replied and wasn't very nice as I thought he was a bit of a muppet (sorry, David). But once I got to know him and his OH I was delighted to rehome a dog to him, NOT a pup but an APBT all the same.
It is easy to misread or misinterpret an initial post and not all posts which sound like the poster is a bit of a ****** are actually meant that way.
Alot of it has to do with the lack of information available.
In the 10 years since I have founded and run EGAR I have learnt the HARD way that it is easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar.
I hope I don't sound too patronising, I have just tried to explain my experience in that field when dealing with members of the public looking for a specific breed/dog/pup.0 -
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I am Native American myself. And let me tell you, these dogs are only 'recreations' of the NAIDs. True NAID's are bred from Wolves(as are most dogs. But Native American dogs were not far removed from the North American Gray Wolf - http://www.cosmosmith.com/gray_wolves.html ). In the States we call the modern version of these dogs "hyBrids" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfdog - note how similar the OP's dog appears. They are VERY dangerous, and unpredictable compared to typical domestic dogs. They only make pets for those with a good amount of land, and a good amount of experience with the breed. What you get in Europe is a European interpretation of this dog. Which, looking at the dog info I can find on the internet, is nothing like the dogs the Native Americans had(which varied greatly, as well, BTW).
If you were to ask me, and you haven't, it is a gimmick to sell dogs. The OP subject is a breed made specifically for it's looks, and then given a misleading label.
WYK
Southern Cherokee
Texas, USA.Good for you !! Now at least one unwanted dog will get a chance at life.
To "RASCO1975" : I accept your points made above, but there's nothing wrong with putting in a plug for unwanted dogs - god knows they need it, and this plug paid off did n't it ?0 -
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thanks for that wyk
Pas du Problem.
And while I am at it, allow this North American Indian to put in a plug for the local Greyhound Rescues. These dogs work so hard, and are often descarded after their careers are over, and sometimes even before, to the tune of thousands a year. Please do what ya can.
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I am Native American myself. And let me tell you, these dogs are only 'recreations' of the NAIDs. True NAID's are bred from Wolves(as are most dogs. But Native American dogs were not far removed from the North American Gray Wolf - http://www.cosmosmith.com/gray_wolves.html ). In the States we call the modern version of these dogs "hyBrids" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfdog - note how similar the OP's dog appears. They are VERY dangerous, and unpredictable compared to typical domestic dogs. They only make pets for those with a good amount of land, and a good amount of experience with the breed. What you get in Europe is a European interpretation of this dog. Which, looking at the dog info I can find on the internet, is nothing like the dogs the Native Americans had(which varied greatly, as well, BTW).
If you were to ask me, and you haven't, it is a gimmick to sell dogs. The OP subject is a breed made specifically for it's looks, and then given a misleading label.
WYK
Southern Cherokee
Texas, USA.
You know looking at the pics of the NAIDs I did think they looked like wolf hybrids and was going to ask but thought it might sound a bit stupid so thanks for confiming that I'm not a total idiot! 0 -
thanks for that wyk
Tom,
I did some searching this morning and found a few sites in the US that have actual NAID/Hybrids. The costs are actually quite affordable. They are legal in Texas, where I am from. I am new to Ireland, and have no idea how legal wolf hybrids are here. I wouldn't be surprised if they were barred with the state BSL's here:
http://www.starcrosswolves.com/LOCATIONmaps.html
http://www.aaapets.com/pet_lovers/breeds/wolf.php
It usually costs about 400 Euro to ship a dog from the states one way, handling not included. However, since the US doesn't really participate in the pet passport scheme, you will have to make the breeder familiar with this, pay for all the shots, wait 6 months between two blood work samples, and THEN ship the cub. Otherwise the cub will have to wait in quarantine here in Eire; which is very difficult for a dog to go through, and likely will incur further costs. If you pay up front, most American breeders of good repute will accommodate you.
Though I am a big proponent of the rescues, and believe most people are served just fine with any old mutt that has a personality that fits them. Some folks aren't even aware that there are such great rescue options, as well. I also believe in the freedom to choose. If someone prefers a certain breed for whichever reason, that is their choics. I think it's a good idea to let folks know what their options are, but to demean them for their choices is often unwarranted.
I wanted a guard dog for my house, but didn't want just ANY guard dog. So I began looking around at my options. I ended up with a Hungarian Komondor:
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/komondor.htm http://www.dog.com/breed/Komondor.asp
Here he is shaved for the summer along with my Greyhound:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YC8me578MVw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TfTa0__MtvQ
It took me 9 months of waiting with the Komondor rescue to acquire him. He is 3 years old, and in good health. The breeders did not want him because of his slightly pinkish nose(only black noses can be bred) and his small size for his breed at 100 lbs.
So, even with 'odd breeds' there may still be a rescue option.
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It bugs me when people bring up the 'rescue dogs have issues' argument - it's true in a very VERY few cases, but there is absolutely nothing to say that if you buy a pedigree from a breeder, that they're not going to have 'issues' too.
Rescue dogs have sometimes been abandoned, mistreated, or found as strays, but that's no guarantee that they won't make fantastic pets or that they're in any way dangerous. Sometimes these dogs have been surrendered by loving families that for some reason can't look after them any longer, and there are plenty of young pups to be found too.
The 'rescue dogs have issues' argument is just another myth out there which will dispell any hope of us rehoming these pets with the general public .. and we've little chance as it is.
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