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Native american indian dog

  • 22-10-2007 3:50pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 662 ✭✭✭


    Does anybody know of a breeder or know if they are available in ireland?
    Thanks
    Tom


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    You will pay hundreds if not thousands for one and what makes them special anyway? Would you not rather rehome a homeless dog?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭mrgalway




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    No offence, lovely Tom, but I'm with Nala on this one.

    Why does it have to be the most exotic of exotic breeds (if it even is a breed) that will be difficult as hell to get when there are thousands of native Irish dogs dying every year?

    If you're after something that resembles that breed description, get yourself a collie mix. They're clever, independent, have a long history, come in a variety of shapes and colours and if you get an odd looking one you can always make up your own fantasy breed name for it :D

    Plus there are hundreds of unwanted ones going spare.

    here are a few examples from irishanimals.com:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Glowing


    Nala wrote: »
    You will pay hundreds if not thousands for one and what makes them special anyway? Would you not rather rehome a homeless dog?

    I wish more people thought along those lines - our shelters and pounds wouldn't be bursting at the seams ..... :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭racso1975


    Nala You will pay hundreds if not thousands for one and what makes them special anyway? Would you not rather rehome a homeless dog?

    No i'm guessing he wants the dog he requested information about
    Why does it have to be the most exotic of exotic breeds (if it even is a breed) that will be difficult as hell to get when there are thousands of native Irish dogs dying every year?

    Because thst is what the OP wants and we can assume he has doen his research and decided this s the dog for him
    I wish more people thought along those lines - our shelters and pounds wouldn't be bursting at the seams .....

    Yeah and i wish that when people came on here to ask a genuine question they would be given the answer or advice they requested and not guilted into feeling they should have to go the shelter and rescue a dog!!!!

    I also find it very hard to swallow that it is only when somebody wants an unusual dog that the shelter option gets thrown at them

    How many more times are we gonna have to go and have this arguement:mad:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 662 ✭✭✭LovelyTom


    as stupid as it sounds, I had never even thought about rehoming a dog:o... but after looking around that website there is no reason to spend all that money when i can save a dog for free... thanks
    Although if anyone does know a breeder, please let me know
    Tom


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    racso1975 wrote: »
    Because that [breed] is what the OP wants

    Why? What's so great about this particular breed that no other dog has?

    I have to laugh at the irony when people go looking for a breed because "they're so unusual looking". Yeah, they're so unusual looking that they just look exactly like thousands of other dogs of the same breed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    Nala wrote: »
    Why? What's so great about this particular breed that no other dog has?

    I have to laugh at the irony when people go looking for a breed because "they're so unusual looking". Yeah, they're so unusual looking that they just look exactly like thousands of other dogs of the same breed!


    Maybe the OP is Native American himself and has owned them in the past, maybe he has his own reasons, maybe they are what he is used to. Laugh away at the unwashed masses. He just asked if anyone knew of a breeder, Peasant pointed him to a website and even bothered to post up some similar dogs with the same traits. He is now considering a rescue, and yet you sneer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭Rigsby


    LovelyTom wrote: »
    as stupid as it sounds, I had never even thought about rehoming a dog:o... but after looking around that website there is no reason to spend all that money when i can save a dog for free... thanks

    Good for you !! :) Now at least one unwanted dog will get a chance at life.


    To "RASCO1975" : I accept your points made above, but there's nothing wrong with putting in a plug for unwanted dogs - god knows they need it, and this plug paid off did n't it ? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    lightening wrote: »
    Maybe the OP is Native American himself and has owned them in the past, maybe he has his own reasons, maybe they are what he is used to. Laugh away at the unwashed masses. He just asked if anyone knew of a breeder, Peasant pointed him to a website and even bothered to post up some similar dogs with the same traits. He is now considering a rescue, and yet you sneer.

    I wasn't sneering at the OP, I was sneering at people who pay hundreds if not thousands for purebred dogs because they seem unusual or out of the ordinary, when they actually look just like the rest of their breed.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 662 ✭✭✭LovelyTom


    Nala wrote: »
    Why? What's so great about this particular breed that no other dog has?

    I have to laugh at the irony when people go looking for a breed because "they're so unusual looking". Yeah, they're so unusual looking that they just look exactly like thousands of other dogs of the same breed!

    in fairness... why is none of your business... and the look of the dog is not the reason, its to do with its temperment, and the fact that, that breed is known to be rather hypoallergenic and my little brother is a bit allergic to dogs... and because they are beautiful dogs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    Hi there,

    there is a pretty long list of hypoallergenic dog breeds:

    Hypoallergenic dog breeds
    Airedale Terrier
    American Hairless Terrier
    Basenji
    Bedlington Terrier
    Bergamasco
    Bichon Frisé
    Bolognese
    Border Terrier
    Bouvier des Flandres
    Cairn Terrier
    Chacy Ranior
    Chinese Crested
    Coton De Tulear
    Fox Terrier (Wire)
    Hairless Khala
    Havanese
    Irish Water Spaniel
    Kerry Blue Terrier
    Lagotto Romagnolo
    Lhasa Apso
    Maltese
    Miniature Poodle
    Miniature Schnauzer
    Native American Indian Dog
    Peruvian Inca Orchid
    Portuguese Water Dog
    Puli
    Scottish Terrier
    Shih Tzu
    Silky Terrier
    Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier
    Spanish Water Dog
    Standard Poodle
    Standard Schnauzer
    Tibetan Terrier
    Toy Poodle
    Welsh Terrier
    West Highland White Terrier
    Yorkshire Terrier
    Xoloitzcuintle


    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoallergenic_dog_breeds


    Some of which are quite common :).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    LovelyTom wrote: »
    ...the fact that, that breed is known to be rather hypoallergenic and my little brother is a bit allergic to dogs...

    Do you know what your brother is allergic to?

    Is it hair or something else?

    If it's hair, then there aren't that many options as pretty much all dogs shed except for poodles and some of their mixes or other "water" dogs like the Water Spaniel or the Barbet.

    EDIT:
    just having seen Egars post, I stand corrected :D

    If its something else (me for example, I'm very mildly allergic to cats, but not their hair, its their saliva) you'd better bring your brother along when selecting a dog to see if he reacts or not.

    Because it wouldn't relly be fair to take a dog home only to have to send it back again after a few days because the allergic reaction is too strong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Bicky


    racso1975 wrote: »
    not guilted into feeling they should have to go the shelter and rescue a dog!!!!

    I agree completely. Ask a question about a breed and get condescending replies telling you to rescue a dog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Bicky wrote: »
    I agree completely. Ask a question about a breed and get condescending replies telling you to rescue a dog.

    Well, in my case the recommendation to consider a rescue dog was given for the following reasons:

    - the Native American Indian Dog (NAID) is not an internationally recognised breed

    - a few enthusiastic NAID breeders have set up their own club and recognised themselves ...and they all seem to be in America

    - the breed 'standard' is sufficiently nondescript that you could pass all manner of dogs a a NAID

    - The chance of finding a breeder here is nil

    - the likelyhood that any NAID that you buy for mega-bucks from the US is actually what it is supposed to be, is very small ..it could very well be some unsual looking mongrel that just got the name NAID

    Taking all that into account you might as well get an unusal looking dog from the local rescue and tell everyone that is is a NAID that you bought for 30.000 Dollars from the US ....nobody would be able to tell the difference and there'd be one less dead dog here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Glowing


    We don't always know people's backgrounds when they go looking for a dog. Not everyone comes from a 'doggy' background and are genuinly unaware that there are thousands of unwanted pups and adults in slelters around the country. I never think it does any harm to throw in the suggestion, some people just don't realise it's a viable option for them.
    At least that's why I always suggest it ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 662 ✭✭✭LovelyTom


    Thanks for that EGAR, I'll have a look at some of those breeds :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    Glowing wrote: »
    At least that's why I always suggest it ...

    Ah yeah, fair play to you, its a good idea, most people on here do just that. However, sneering and "having to laugh at the irony" (not you glowing) at people will just put them off asking peoples advice alltogether, decide (not unfairly) that some people are pretty contemptuous and go out and get a dog not suited to them.

    Instead of sneering at people who spend money on dogs, try and kindly convince them to do otherwise Nala.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    LovelyTom wrote: »
    in fairness... why is none of your business... and the look of the dog is not the reason, its to do with its temperment, and the fact that, that breed is known to be rather hypoallergenic and my little brother is a bit allergic to dogs... and because they are beautiful dogs

    Excuse me but animal welfare is everyone's business. As for me being consdescending- I wasn't. Maybe it's other people's guilt about spending a fortune on dogs that makes them so defensive when anyone mentions stopping a homeless dog from being killed instead.

    You go and spend hundreds, even thousands on some American unrecognised "breed" just because it has a good temperament and hypoallergenic, despite the fact there are so many breeds you can actually find over here for a much more reasonable price that are also hypoallergenic and have a good temperment. Maybe the other breeds don't sound impressive enough.

    It's the breeders of this "breed" that are laughing- while on their way to the bank.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    Nala wrote: »
    Excuse me

    I hope he excuses you for your behaviour. Having to laugh at peoples questions in a field that they don't know much about is not very nice.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    I hope he also excuses me for trying to stop him wasting hundreds/thousands on some breed that isn't even recognised. He could spend a fortune getting one of those dogs shipped over and his brother could be allergic to it. Besides I just thought it would be nice if he gave a small release fee for a pound dog that really needs it rather than hundreds to some breeder.

    Apologies to anyone who took offence to my suggestion of rescuing a dog, there were only 16,546 dogs killed in 2005! Let's all breed a few more!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,446 ✭✭✭bugler


    No one has a duty to adopt dogs from a shelter. It's not the OPs fault that Ireland has loads of dogs in shelters, nor that our rate for killing unwanted dogs is poor.

    Once I have the time and space I'd love to have a Leonberger and/or a Pyrenean Mountain Dog, if not a few more. If these particular breeds are present at a shelter and I'm satisfied as to their temperament etc then I'd consider homing them. This is probably unlikely, and so I'll buy them from as reputable a breeder as I can find.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    Nala wrote: »
    Apologies to anyone who took offence to my suggestion of rescuing a dog, blah blah blah...

    You are missing the point Nala, you need to apologise to your rudeness and your attitude. Nobody takes offence to your suggestions. Please, just try and be a bit more grown up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    bugler wrote: »
    No one has a duty to adopt dogs from a shelter. It's not the OPs fault that Ireland has loads of dogs in shelters, nor that our rate for killing unwanted dogs is poor.

    Once I have the time and space I'd love to have a Leonberger and/or a Pyrenean Mountain Dog, if not a few more. If these particular breeds are present at a shelter and I'm satisfied as to their temperament etc then I'd consider homing them. This is probably unlikely, and so I'll buy them from as reputable a breeder as I can find.

    No, it is not the OP's fault, but that doesn't mean he can't be part of the solution by rescuing a dog.

    If more people suggested rehoming dogs then maybe there wouldn't be so many in the pounds waiting to be destroyed.
    I do believe we have a moral duty to save innocent dogs from being killed, saying "it's not my fault" does not do any good apart from maybe making yourself feel better about forking out a few hundred on a purebred.

    If only people spent so much money donating to shelters rather than buying purebreds. Anyway this thread has gone off topic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    lightening wrote: »
    You are missing the point Nala, you need to apologise to your rudeness and your attitude. Nobody takes offence to your suggestions. Please, just try and be a bit more grown up.

    I see you replaced my "16,546 dogs killed in 2005" with "blah, blah, blah". Good to see how much you care about all those dead dogs. I'm sure they are nothing but "blah"'s to all the pound staff who looked after them aswell. Let alone all the rescues who put in time and mone into trying to save them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    I do my bit Nala, believe me. Just because I don't brag and whine about it, doesn't mean I don't do my bit, I have rehomed a number of dogs after minding them for months.

    Again your missing the point, your sneering and your having to laugh at the op is just going to put him off asking "experts" advice. You are better off (you could take this advice in life too ;)) being nice about it, not laughing at people if they are not familiar with the subject.

    Maybe if you pointed him in the right direction in a nicer way, posted up some pics, stopped laughing at him and deriding him, he would consider an unwanted dog.

    Thats all, I do care about dogs, I don't care much for your attitude. :)

    I will leave it at that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    Great, enjoy your "blah's", as you kindly refer to rescue dogs.

    As for the OP, I am not sure how you can tell from his original post that he is not familiar with dogs, but maybe you can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    Can I suggest that you all take a deep breath :)...

    I run a rescue and I often get calls/emails from people asking for advice about acquiring a certain breed. I help if I can and have met brilliant people through my work. One of my best fosterers ever for young/sick puppies is a breeder.

    Not too long ago someone posted on here asking for an APBT pup, I replied and wasn't very nice as I thought he was a bit of a muppet (sorry, David :D). But once I got to know him and his OH I was delighted to rehome a dog to him, NOT a pup but an APBT all the same.

    It is easy to misread or misinterpret an initial post and not all posts which sound like the poster is a bit of a ****** are actually meant that way.

    Alot of it has to do with the lack of information available.

    In the 10 years since I have founded and run EGAR I have learnt the HARD way that it is easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar :D.

    I hope I don't sound too patronising, I have just tried to explain my experience in that field when dealing with members of the public looking for a specific breed/dog/pup.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 662 ✭✭✭LovelyTom


    Nala wrote: »
    You go and spend hundreds, even thousands on some American unrecognised "breed" just because it has a good temperament and hypoallergenic, despite the fact there are so many breeds you can actually find over here for a much more reasonable price that are also hypoallergenic and have a good temperment. Maybe the other breeds don't sound impressive enough.

    maybe i will but whats that got to do with adopting a dog... did you not realise that i was looking for a breeder... like in ireland... so if i got what i wanted it would be over here... but it seems that there aren't any in ireland and thats all i wanted to know... there is no need to be so defensive and aggresive


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭wyk


    I am Native American myself. And let me tell you, these dogs are only 'recreations' of the NAIDs. True NAID's are bred from Wolves(as are most dogs. But Native American dogs were not far removed from the North American Gray Wolf - http://www.cosmosmith.com/gray_wolves.html ). In the States we call the modern version of these dogs "hyBrids" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfdog - note how similar the OP's dog appears. They are VERY dangerous, and unpredictable compared to typical domestic dogs. They only make pets for those with a good amount of land, and a good amount of experience with the breed. What you get in Europe is a European interpretation of this dog. Which, looking at the dog info I can find on the internet, is nothing like the dogs the Native Americans had(which varied greatly, as well, BTW).

    If you were to ask me, and you haven't, it is a gimmick to sell dogs. The OP subject is a breed made specifically for it's looks, and then given a misleading label.

    WYK
    Southern Cherokee
    Texas, USA.
    Rigsby wrote: »
    Good for you !! :) Now at least one unwanted dog will get a chance at life.


    To "RASCO1975" : I accept your points made above, but there's nothing wrong with putting in a plug for unwanted dogs - god knows they need it, and this plug paid off did n't it ? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 662 ✭✭✭LovelyTom


    thanks for that wyk :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭wyk


    LovelyTom wrote: »
    thanks for that wyk :)

    Pas du Problem.

    And while I am at it, allow this North American Indian to put in a plug for the local Greyhound Rescues. These dogs work so hard, and are often descarded after their careers are over, and sometimes even before, to the tune of thousands a year. Please do what ya can.

    Wes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    Thanks for that post wyk, seems like those dogs really are somewhat of a waste of money after all, if they are just an imitation. Not really surprising as they are possibly sold -and sell- to some people if not many, purely because they sound impressive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    Nala...
    Nala wrote: »
    Great, enjoy your "blah's", as you kindly refer to rescue dogs.

    Read my earlier post about rehoming dogs.
    Nala wrote: »
    As for the OP, I am not sure how you can tell from his original post that he is not familiar with dogs, but maybe you can.

    He is on here asking for advice and graciously taking it on. I'm no Sherlock Homes, but he strikes me as not being overly familiar with dogs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭Nala


    lightening wrote: »
    I do my bit Nala, believe me. Just because I don't brag and whine about it, doesn't mean I don't do my bit.

    So if any of us mention having a rescued animal we are bragging or whining about it? That's nice. I am actually proud to say I have rescued animals. I'm not going to hide the fact I have rescued animals in fear of you thinking I'm bragging.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Play nice folks or there will be bannings. It will take just one more reported post. You are on notice now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    I have been reading this thread with great amusement at the start which has now turned to annoyance. Many of us rescue, rehome, donate to animal charities etc however we dont feel the need to come on here making people feel bad about their decisions. It's self rightous attitudes like that which make people avoid animal shelters etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭~Thalia~


    wyk wrote: »
    I am Native American myself. And let me tell you, these dogs are only 'recreations' of the NAIDs. True NAID's are bred from Wolves(as are most dogs. But Native American dogs were not far removed from the North American Gray Wolf - http://www.cosmosmith.com/gray_wolves.html ). In the States we call the modern version of these dogs "hyBrids" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfdog - note how similar the OP's dog appears. They are VERY dangerous, and unpredictable compared to typical domestic dogs. They only make pets for those with a good amount of land, and a good amount of experience with the breed. What you get in Europe is a European interpretation of this dog. Which, looking at the dog info I can find on the internet, is nothing like the dogs the Native Americans had(which varied greatly, as well, BTW).

    If you were to ask me, and you haven't, it is a gimmick to sell dogs. The OP subject is a breed made specifically for it's looks, and then given a misleading label.

    WYK
    Southern Cherokee
    Texas, USA.

    You know looking at the pics of the NAIDs I did think they looked like wolf hybrids and was going to ask but thought it might sound a bit stupid so thanks for confiming that I'm not a total idiot! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭wyk


    LovelyTom wrote: »
    thanks for that wyk :)

    Tom,

    I did some searching this morning and found a few sites in the US that have actual NAID/Hybrids. The costs are actually quite affordable. They are legal in Texas, where I am from. I am new to Ireland, and have no idea how legal wolf hybrids are here. I wouldn't be surprised if they were barred with the state BSL's here:

    http://www.starcrosswolves.com/LOCATIONmaps.html

    http://www.aaapets.com/pet_lovers/breeds/wolf.php

    It usually costs about 400 Euro to ship a dog from the states one way, handling not included. However, since the US doesn't really participate in the pet passport scheme, you will have to make the breeder familiar with this, pay for all the shots, wait 6 months between two blood work samples, and THEN ship the cub. Otherwise the cub will have to wait in quarantine here in Eire; which is very difficult for a dog to go through, and likely will incur further costs. If you pay up front, most American breeders of good repute will accommodate you.

    Though I am a big proponent of the rescues, and believe most people are served just fine with any old mutt that has a personality that fits them. Some folks aren't even aware that there are such great rescue options, as well. I also believe in the freedom to choose. If someone prefers a certain breed for whichever reason, that is their choics. I think it's a good idea to let folks know what their options are, but to demean them for their choices is often unwarranted.

    I wanted a guard dog for my house, but didn't want just ANY guard dog. So I began looking around at my options. I ended up with a Hungarian Komondor:

    http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/komondor.htm http://www.dog.com/breed/Komondor.asp
    Here he is shaved for the summer along with my Greyhound:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YC8me578MVw
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=TfTa0__MtvQ

    It took me 9 months of waiting with the Komondor rescue to acquire him. He is 3 years old, and in good health. The breeders did not want him because of his slightly pinkish nose(only black noses can be bred) and his small size for his breed at 100 lbs.

    So, even with 'odd breeds' there may still be a rescue option.

    Wez


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    wyk wrote: »
    Tom,

    I did some searching this morning and found a few sites in the US that have actual NAID/Hybrids. The costs are actually quite affordable. They are legal in Texas, where I am from. I am new to Ireland, and have no idea how legal wolf hybrids are here. I wouldn't be surprised if they were barred with the state BSL's here:

    http://www.starcrosswolves.com/LOCATIONmaps.html

    http://www.aaapets.com/pet_lovers/breeds/wolf.php

    It usually costs about 400 Euro to ship a dog from the states one way, handling not included. However, since the US doesn't really participate in the pet passport scheme, you will have to make the breeder familiar with this, pay for all the shots, wait 6 months between two blood work samples, and THEN ship the cub. Otherwise the cub will have to wait in quarantine here in Eire; which is very difficult for a dog to go through, and likely will incur further costs. If you pay up front, most American breeders of good repute will accommodate you.

    Though I am a big proponent of the rescues, and believe most people are served just fine with any old mutt that has a personality that fits them. Some folks aren't even aware that there are such great rescue options, as well. I also believe in the freedom to choose. If someone prefers a certain breed for whichever reason, that is their choics. I think it's a good idea to let folks know what their options are, but to demean them for their choices is often unwarranted.

    I wanted a guard dog for my house, but didn't want just ANY guard dog. So I began looking around at my options. I ended up with a Hungarian Komondor:

    http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/komondor.htm http://www.dog.com/breed/Komondor.asp
    Here he is shaved for the summer along with my Greyhound:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YC8me578MVw
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=TfTa0__MtvQ

    It took me 9 months of waiting with the Komondor rescue to acquire him. He is 3 years old, and in good health. The breeders did not want him because of his slightly pinkish nose(only black noses can be bred) and his small size for his breed at 100 lbs.

    So, even with 'odd breeds' there may still be a rescue option.

    Wez

    I saw a few komondors when i was over in hungary, the folks there said they really werent a pet breed, more shepherd dogs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭wyk


    Bambi wrote: »
    I saw a few komondors when i was over in hungary, the folks there said they really werent a pet breed, more shepherd dogs.

    At the risk of hijacking the thread:

    Yes, they were bred to be livestock guardians. Which, of course, means they are guard dogs for sheep etc. I approached the rescue with the following parameters:
    I wanted one that was particularly friendly to people, did not want to be out in the flock, and preferred to be indoors. This is why it took 9 months to find one. A Komondor with these attributes is not a good working diog, and often will end up in the Komondor Rescue groups in the US. He was indoors except for when I took him about during chores or to the park, or for exercise. He also slept indoors on a small bed next to mine. He did not like strangers much, and was very protective of both me and my Greyhound. So it worked out brilliantly.

    I was, in no way, suggested a Komondor as a pet. This particular breed takes a lot of experience with dogs to train and handle. The breed is extremely strong willed, and made to act and work on it's own. If left uncontrolled in a public environment, they can wreak a good amount of havoc. All you need do is read the breed descriptions I noted:

    PERSONALITY:

    Strictly a one-man dog. Even then, there is often a struggle for dominance.
    Dignified. Only puppies romp and play.
    Suspicious and uneasy in strange environments.
    Do not seek friendship and do not tolerate being insulted either.
    Quiet. Komondorok hardly ever bark. This makes them very dangerous as they do not warn before attacking.


    I dunno exactly what they mean by 'insulted' only to take it as they do not tolerate nonsense.




    Wez


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 662 ✭✭✭LovelyTom


    wyk wrote: »
    Tom,

    I did some searching this morning and found a few sites in the US that have actual NAID/Hybrids. The costs are actually quite affordable. They are legal in Texas, where I am from. I am new to Ireland, and have no idea how legal wolf hybrids are here. I wouldn't be surprised if they were barred with the state BSL's here:

    http://www.starcrosswolves.com/LOCATIONmaps.html

    http://www.aaapets.com/pet_lovers/breeds/wolf.php

    It usually costs about 400 Euro to ship a dog from the states one way, handling not included. However, since the US doesn't really participate in the pet passport scheme, you will have to make the breeder familiar with this, pay for all the shots, wait 6 months between two blood work samples, and THEN ship the cub. Otherwise the cub will have to wait in quarantine here in Eire; which is very difficult for a dog to go through, and likely will incur further costs. If you pay up front, most American breeders of good repute will accommodate you.

    Though I am a big proponent of the rescues, and believe most people are served just fine with any old mutt that has a personality that fits them. Some folks aren't even aware that there are such great rescue options, as well. I also believe in the freedom to choose. If someone prefers a certain breed for whichever reason, that is their choics. I think it's a good idea to let folks know what their options are, but to demean them for their choices is often unwarranted.

    I wanted a guard dog for my house, but didn't want just ANY guard dog. So I began looking around at my options. I ended up with a Hungarian Komondor:

    http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/komondor.htm http://www.dog.com/breed/Komondor.asp
    Here he is shaved for the summer along with my Greyhound:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YC8me578MVw
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=TfTa0__MtvQ

    It took me 9 months of waiting with the Komondor rescue to acquire him. He is 3 years old, and in good health. The breeders did not want him because of his slightly pinkish nose(only black noses can be bred) and his small size for his breed at 100 lbs.

    So, even with 'odd breeds' there may still be a rescue option.

    Wez

    thanks a lot wyk, I'm still unsure of what my decision is but thanks a lot for all the help


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭Amimad


    Tom,

    Putting my neck out here, it might get biten off:eek: if I suggest looking at a Northern Inuit. Friends of mine in Galway & roscommon have them, they make lovely companion dogs & look like wolves. They are only lookalikes & have no actual wolf blood in them. Just google the breed & you'll find loads a bout them, PM me if you want contact details of owners.

    On a personal note, & considering the way this thread has gone buy-v-rescue.
    I have had 2 rescues in the past (still have one) both loving dogs but with issues, even though both came to me at an early age. Don't get me wrong Timmy whom I still have has made huge leaps & bounds but it has taken more than 6 years. Oh & I wouldn't be with out him.

    I also have 2 Kelpies, a breed which I heavily researched & decided was for me. It took me 2 years to be sure.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is do what seems right for your circumstances.
    What ever little four legged friend you end up with good luck:)

    Ami


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Amimad wrote: »
    ...
    On a personal note, & considering the way this thread has gone buy-v-rescue.
    I have had 2 rescues in the past (still have one) both loving dogs but with issues, even though both came to me at an early age....


    Just on that note:

    We have three dogs, two rescues (that came to us aged 5 and 18 months)one purebred (that we bought at 12 weeks old)
    No issues with the rescues whatsoever, the purebred on the other hand is gaga. Thankfully not dangerous, but gaga all the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Glowing


    It bugs me when people bring up the 'rescue dogs have issues' argument - it's true in a very VERY few cases, but there is absolutely nothing to say that if you buy a pedigree from a breeder, that they're not going to have 'issues' too.

    Rescue dogs have sometimes been abandoned, mistreated, or found as strays, but that's no guarantee that they won't make fantastic pets or that they're in any way dangerous. Sometimes these dogs have been surrendered by loving families that for some reason can't look after them any longer, and there are plenty of young pups to be found too.

    The 'rescue dogs have issues' argument is just another myth out there which will dispell any hope of us rehoming these pets with the general public .. and we've little chance as it is. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭fits


    2 rescues and zero issues with me also...

    That said, if I really did fancy a particular breed (after Id done all the research etc...) I'd buy one (from a good breeder of course) and I wouldnt feel one bit guilty about it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Glowing


    fits wrote: »
    2 rescues and zero issues with me also...

    That said, if I really did fancy a particular breed (after Id done all the research etc...) I'd buy one (from a good breeder of course) and I wouldnt feel one bit guilty about it...

    Well you've obviously got the sense firstly to do the research to ensure the breed in question is suitable for your environment and your lifestyle, and secondly, do put the effort into finding a responsible breeder.

    The problem is that many people don't put the thought into it, and just want a cute/hard/cool dog irrespective of their suitability and will buy from some randomer in the Buy & Sell.

    When I think of all the christmas-pups who will end up in a pound somewhere .... grrrrrr.

    Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread ...!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭racso1975


    Again if somebody comes on this section and asks about a particular breed why should they be bombarded with rescue options however should the title be "looking for a dog but have no preference" then by all means suggest the rescue option

    People's opinion on buying dogs have been well documented in previous threads.

    But can we not for once stop attacking people who choose they dont want a rescue dog!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭Amimad


    OMG you can't say anything on here without being misunderstood:(.
    It makes me think it's not even worth sharing my views/experiences/stories:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭lightening


    Amimad wrote: »
    It makes me think it's not even worth sharing my views/experiences/stories:(

    Exactly what I thought would happen. The moderator has warned them and clamped down.

    It would be a shame if people were afraid to come on asking advice in fear of being attacked. The majority of people in here give great advice though.


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