Opinions on rebuy structure

PPP-Pit Boss

Good morning all. I would like your opinions on the following question as I am not entirely sure which side of the fence I am on:

In an online rebuy tournament. Should the addon chips exceed the amount of the rebuy chips. If so by how much.

Input much appreciated.

TheRock

Generally I would say No.

Possibly a Rebuy Super Sat, might be the only exception and then only slightly bigger.
If the addon is considerably larger then the rebuys it makes a joke of the rebuy stage.

califano

PPP-Pit Boss wrote: »

Good morning all. I would like your opinions on the following question as I am not entirely sure which side of the fence I am on:

In an online rebuy tournament. Should the addon chips exceed the amount of the rebuy chips. If so by how much.

Input much appreciated.

Yes definately and the rebuy chips should be more than the starting chips.
So with starting stack of $2000 rebuys should be $3000 and top-ups $5000.
If you do something like this more people will buy them particularly top-ups which i rarely take because you get something like 6bb's at thats stage. Im sure others will put it better.
Have you they type of clout that can make this happen with the ipoker people?.

PPP-Pit Boss

rounders123 wrote: »

Yes definately and the rebuy chips should be more than the starting chips.
So with starting stack of $2000 rebuys should be $3000 and top-ups $5000.
If you do something like this more people will buy them particularly top-ups which i rarely take because you get something like 6bb's at thats stage. Im sure others will put it better.
Have you they type of clout that can make this happen with the ipoker people?.

A lot of the changes that happen do so because we request it. Its not however quite as fast as we would like it sometimes

califano

PPP-Pit Boss wrote: »

A lot of the changes that happen do so because we request it. Its not however quite as fast as we would like it sometimes

Sorry i didnt mean it as in you have feck all clout for leverage and have done little in the past because i know you have got certain stuff changed previously.
Whatever about rebuys i hope they at least are persuaded to increase add-ons.

RoundTower

I know it's a lazy answer but in general you can't go far wrong by following PokerStars who have clearly the best tournaments on the net. They usually have starting chips = rebuy, and rebuy < addon < double rebuy, and only the first buyin is raked.

Also what it "should" be depends on your motivation, do you want to provide the structure most players are happy with, or are there other considerations like increasing rake?

roryc

rounders123 wrote: »

Sorry i didnt mean it as in you have feck all clout for leverage and have done little in the past because i know you have got certain stuff changed previously.
Whatever about rebuys i hope they at least are persuaded to increase add-ons.

Agree with Aidan, should be more than the starting stack to be worth it. If you have 15k at the add on break you wont bother getting an extra 2k chips, but if its 5k most people would go for it.

PPP-Pit Boss

rounders123 wrote: »

Sorry i didnt mean it as in you have feck all clout for leverage and have done little in the past because i know you have got certain stuff changed previously.
Whatever about rebuys i hope they at least are persuaded to increase add-ons.

Is there a standard percentage I could work off do we know? Addon Vs Rebuy Amount?

Like is this ok or slightly below:


starting stack of 1,500 add-on stack of 2,000
starting stack of 2,000 add-on stack of 2,500
starting stack of 3,000 add-on stack of 4,000

Is that two small or about right do you think?

Clareman

I'd like to see the add ons linked to the amount of times someone has bought back, ideally if you didn't buy back in then you can get higher add ons, 1 of the things I hate about rebuys is the fact that people go all in with anything cause they know they can buy back

roryc

PPP-Pit Boss wrote: »

Is there a standard percentage I could work off do we know? Addon Vs Rebuy Amount?

Like is this ok or slightly below:


starting stack of 1,500 add-on stack of 2,000
starting stack of 2,000 add-on stack of 2,500
starting stack of 3,000 add-on stack of 4,000

Is that two small or about right do you think?

too small. rebuy should be either the same or maybe increases to 1.5 times original amount halfway between start of tourney and break for add-on.

Add on should be at least 2x original amount.

goldclubcasino

I think it also depends on how many rebuy levels you have, what blinds you include and the size of the starting stack

Obviously if you have 4 levels, i.e;

25-50 || 50-100 || 75-150 || 100-200

with a starting stack of say 2,000 rebuys 2000 then i would recommend 4000 add-on, as you will be receiving 20BB. in the first blind level of this example tourney you will receive 40BB, 2nd you will receive 20BB and third you will receive only 13 BB.
I think you must keep this ratio as level as possible.

I personally like the structure in our club though, 3,000 stack, 4,000 re-buys, 5,000 add-on. This is done with 4 rebuy levels, 25-50|50-100|100-200|150-300.

Also I would like to propose a nice idea we use in our club for re-buy tournaments nationwide! At the end of last level of re-buys, we always have 3 last hands(3 more hands after the completion of the hand when the buzzer goes off) This lets people know exactly how much 'gamble' they're allowed to have. Instead of just suddenly realizing it's your last hand after folding 2-6, and shaking your head grimly as you glance over your 3,425 stack!

LuckyLloyd

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semibluff

agree with RT
re-buys should increase depending on amount pf them youve had. also top ups should be close to the average stack at the time.(get average on last few weeks)
starting stack 2000. rebuy 1 2000 rebuy 2 2250. rebuy 2 2500 etc etc . top up should be 3,500. Also rake only first buy back

this sort of format will encourage re-buys, top ups. This is only really beneficial for inflating prize pools - but on the plus point, if properly addressed could increase standard of Ipoker tournaments and would allow larger guarantees to be offered, and more easily met

luckylucky

semibluff wrote: »

agree with RT
re-buys should increase depending on amount pf them youve had. also top ups should be close to the average stack at the time.(get average on last few weeks)

Agree.

Going off topic here but since PPP Boss is here
I kinda felt like being a poker degen last few days and got in a rare mood to play some multis - the selection on iPoker though could do with a lot more higher buy-in games imo. Great game selection for the fun player but for those who are 'seriousish' players there are fewer interesting ones (rebuy or otherwise) than other sites imo.

PPP-Pit Boss

Needs some work allright I agree completely. Many thanks for the feedback on the Rebuy structure expect to see a change upcoming.