Early Bird Chips

Ace2007

Right just wondering what the deal is with the early bird chips, i know of friday at the 100 FO there was some talk about it. If you were PHYSICAL in the building before a certain time then you were entitled to early birds chips to the sum of 1500, which i thought was a bit much, 500 i think would be more fair imo, i also noticed that these chips weren't given out at the start of the tournament... and as a result, some players could have lost out on this...

One of the hands that stuck with me, was a hand that Scummyscousers was involved in, he lost about 1600 in a hand early on, and about 2 mins later, ppl received their "early bird" chips, which meant that he was now over 3K behind certain ppl, and this is something that he was unaware of at the start of the tournament, i think he like me assumed that it was only 500 chips.

Now while i do understand the benefit of giving early bird chips, the only way to get them is if your their before 8:20 i think, and considering i arrived around 9ish, the game was just starting, which means potentially hanging around...for about 40 mins, if the game started at 8:30 on the dot then it would be ok i guess....

bohsman

This will probably be given out for another 2 weeks but the tournament should be started at 8 30, thats the whole point of them. Its a 20% bonus so thats why its 1500.

kebabfest

I think you should keep them going as it encourages people to arrive on time, although i was surprised when the tourney didnt start until 9.

Flushdraw

There was 17 people in the draw so half the field of 35 were signed up before 8:20. I just spend 30 mins watching Mark and Albert playing HU and not playing Blackjack or Roulette, which is probably what is expected to happen when people are left hanging around.

Hyzepher

I talked to Luke about this at the break as i thought it was a bit much that most people were waiting for at least 35 mins but only 17 people got the extra chips. My view is that if the 1500 are given out if you are registered before 8:20 with a 8:30 start, then it should start at 8:30. Not 9:10. No one is going to wait 50 mins for a tournament to start - it will just encourage more lateness

Dr_Colossus

Agree with Hyzepher, tournaments really need to start at advertised time. The first 300+20 tourney was over 1 1/4 hour late starting which is partly why I haven't played since. The early bird chips are a good idea and need to be significant enough to hurt the latecomers. Are they also implemented in the end of month game? Do the players that register on time receive 12,000 chips and the tardy players 10,000? I hope this is the case and then people might actually register in time and get the game started rather than hanging around for ages and then the game going on through the night and people complaining about being tired and wanting to do deals etc as a result.

AKQJ10

the draw for the money back should also be in the first level, some people like to go bust early

Ace2007

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

The early bird chips are a good idea and need to be significant enough to hurt the latecomers.

But explain the point of coming at 8:20, when everyone knows that it won't start till near 9, also on this point, anyone who is running late, won't go to CHL, could just go round to the fitz and play the scaples, where everyone will be more or less equal in chips....

The week before, i knew that i was going to be late, so i rang around 8:45 to see if it had started - it hadn't, and was told that if i'm hear by 9:30 it would be grand, i got there around 9:15 - tournament had started 4 minutes, so one could have been hanging round for an hour.... maybe the idea is to get ppl playing the games on the floor, but as you said, this lateness means that you didn't play the EOM this month....

Jesus Wept

Early bird chips in my experience signify tournaments that don't start at the time stated, and leave you in limbo not knowing what time to turn up if you happen to be a person who is capable of turning up *:eek:on time :eek:*.

kebabfest

If I was a gambling man I would bet that tourneys at CHL will begin to run on time sooner rather than later.

thechamp87

Initially i thought it was too much but afterr further thought I think its good. The tourney starts at haf 8 - why should people complain that they didnt get any early bird chips. everyone should be there on time and if you're not then thats your problem.
I think its great that the 100 fo on a friday is now a 9k starting stack if you're on time.

bohsman

Its mad, I remember turning up less than 5minutes late for a 100FO run by Luke around 4 years ago, couldnt get in as late entry was for 3 hands only.

Ace2007

thechamp87 wrote: »

Initially i thought it was too much but afterr further thought I think its good. The tourney starts at haf 8 - why should people complain that they didnt get any early bird chips. everyone should be there on time and if you're not then thats your problem.
I think its great that the 100 fo on a friday is now a 9k starting stack if you're on time.

Adam i'm not complaining about it that much.. main point is you arrive at 8:20 you get the early bird.... some ppl arrive around 8:30 they don't, tournament starts around 9:05. The best way to get ppl there early is to start the tournament at 8:30 - if they don't make it in time this week, they'll make sure to be all time the following week... even if this means only have 15 ppl in a tournament...

Hyzepher

thechamp87 wrote: »

Initially i thought it was too much but afterr further thought I think its good. The tourney starts at haf 8 - why should people complain that they didnt get any early bird chips. everyone should be there on time and if you're not then thats your problem.
I think its great that the 100 fo on a friday is now a 9k starting stack if you're on time.

My problem was that I was registered before the 8:30 start time - waited 40 mins for it to start and didn't get early bird chips because I registered after 8:20

Scummyscousers

thechamp87 wrote: »

Initially i thought it was too much but afterr further thought I think its good. The tourney starts at haf 8 - why should people complain that they didnt get any early bird chips. everyone should be there on time and if you're not then thats your problem.
I think its great that the 100 fo on a friday is now a 9k starting stack if you're on time.

Disagree big time! It's up to the tourny TD to start this on time.

If I was driving into CHLs next week and it's 8.50 and I know I'm 1500 down to the early birds, I'm steering the wagon to a different venue. It's that simple. 39 is not a great turnout, the tourny deserves more. The early bird is too much. The game itself is an excellent structure BUT 1500 (20%) is crazy.

Why not start the thing at 9.00 on the button, most people are there then anyway. At least it will be punctual.

If you want to attract people to the casino games, do a bit of advertsing around baggot street and get those passing drunks interested.

thechamp87

Hyzepher wrote: »

My problem was that I was registered before the 8:30 start time - waited 40 mins for it to start and didn't get early bird chips because I registered after 8:20

If I'm playing a tournament I hate running in the door just as it's starting and sitting down as the cards are being dealt - so i would be there 10 mins beforehand. this isn't a lot to ask of people in fairness. I agree with yourself and donal with regard the late start considering this is what they are trying to eliminate with the early arrival reward.

My solution....
1) Keep eary bird chips as they are at 1500 ie. 9k starting stack.
2) Anyone regd before 8.30 get extra 500 ie. 8k starting stack.
3) Allow late entries for the first level (which would be until 9) for 7.5k stack. I think this is the best way to get the tourney started early.

Anyone agree????

thechamp87

Scummyscousers wrote: »

Disagree big time! It's up to the tourny TD to start this on time.

If I was driving into CHLs next week and it's 8.50 and I know I'm 1500 down to the early birds, I'm steering the wagon to a different venue. It's that simple. 39 is not a great turnout, the tourny deserves more. The early bird is too much. The game itself is an excellent structure BUT 1500 (20%) is crazy.

Why not start the thing at 9.00 on the button, most people are there then anyway. At least it will be punctual.

If you want to attract people to the casino games, do a bit of advertsing around baggot street and get those passing drunks interested.

Why would you be driving to luke's at 8.50 if the toruney starts at half 8? this is the reason it doesn't start at half 8. As I've said already, if everyone was on time it would be a 9k starting stack and everyone would be happy.

thechamp87

Also this should be in the tourney forum title "Constructive Criticism for Luke's Friday FO" You should know that Donal:rolleyes:!!!

Flushdraw

Get to Lukes for 8:15 and register.
2 pints around the corner and back for 9 and the start of tournie.
Dont see a problem.

I see Hyzepher's point about him arriving at 830 and waiting 40 minutes and not getting anything compared to people that arrived 10 minutes earlier.

I think a 9 start is fine on a Friday night, Early bird chips of 1k max if you're there before 845 and tournie starts on time. Full stacks put on the table and blinded away as would be the norm and entries allowed in for 1st level.

Ace2007

Personally i know i could be there at 8:20 if i really bothered, but even getting 1500 extra doesing help me feeling sooo board at having to wait around for agess....

The suggestion of starting at 9 - i don't like that much cause then late entries get in around half 9, and they will know that for defo, just for one week - like this friday, start it at half 8 of the dot, give the 1500 "early birds" to whoever are at their seats when first card is dealt, and then let late commers in unitl 9 - then no one else....

Ace2007

thechamp87 wrote: »

Also this should be in the tourney forum title "Constructive Criticism for Luke's Friday FO" You should know that Donal:rolleyes:!!!

meh - i never really noticed the difference in early bird chips for the fitz, and the SE start when the say there starting so maybe i should have....

thechamp87

donal yeah you just suggested what I already said earlier!! Saying we'll start at 9 is ridiculous IMO because we'll be reading the same complaints next week due to people saying great that means i dont have to be there til half 9.

Ace2007

thechamp87 wrote: »

donal yeah you just suggested what I already said earlier!! Saying we'll start at 9 is ridiculous IMO because we'll be reading the same complaints next week due to people saying great that means i dont have to be there til half 9.

sorry didn't see ur post.... i'll give u the credit for it.

Macspower

My opinion on this is..... forget about all the early bird chips etc etc and just do like the SE.... cards are in the air at 9 regardless of numbers in... stacks on the table getting blinded from the word go... you'll only have to do it a few times......

CHL's already has the name for " what time is it at?" "8.30 ahh yeah but 9 will be fine" you even get told this sometimes when you ring.....

personally I think 8.30 is a bit early but thats up to management I guess... I would say set a time be it 8.30 or 9 and start dealing to whoever is there

mormank

where exactly in dublin is cool hand luke's anyway?? i heard it was where the merrion used to be, but surely I'm mistaken!!

Taxipete29

No mistake, thats where it is

Dr_Colossus

Why do people have problems with an 8:30 start time, the sooner it starts the better. People are always complaining of final tables starting too late and having to get up the following morning for work etc but yet are not willing to come in on time and get things started. Part of the problem with the card clubs is things always seem to get started way too late, there's never really any cash game action until 10:00 therefore dropping in in the evening after work at say 6:00 or 7:00 for some tournament or cash game action is never an option.
However management have to start proceedings at advertised time whether it be 8:00, 8:30 or 9:00. Cards should be in the air at the designated time regardless of the numbers of players and let dead stacks just get blinded down if need be. I think the idea of early bird chips to try and get players in on time is a good idea but the tournament still has to start at the official time. As everyone has said there's no point in having early bird chips if you're still hanging around for 40mins for the tournament to start.