Upgrading TM Sig552 ????

Ample Free ...?

The 552 was my first AEG and I still love it but I didn't have it upgraded when I got it. I've been wanting to get it upgraded to 1J for ages but just never got round to it :rolleyes:. That said, I'm not confident enough to do it myself so any idea's on whats the best way to go about getting it upgraded

kdouglas

post on boards and ask nicely?

oh wait, you seem to have done that...

i can do it for you no prob, when you going to hrta again, i can do it there (for a small fee )

failing that, there's a few others on here that would happily do it for you

ED E

If worst comes to the worst i could do it. Havent actually opened a gearbox, though I have had them out, but I know what to do with online tutorials aka mechbox.com. Its pretty simple cept getting the new spring back in and having all gears sitting right. What are you doing, jsut spring, or a 9.6V as well to stop it losing ROF?

kdouglas

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

If worst comes to the worst i could do it. Havent actually opened a gearbox, though I have had them out, but I know what to do with online tutorials aka mechbox.com. Its pretty simple cept getting the new spring back in and having all gears sitting right. What are you doing, jsut spring, or a 9.6V as well to stop it losing ROF?

doing your own gearbox for the first time is one thing, but you dont wanna end up breaking someone elses

ambro25

Don't mind me if I come look over shoulders, got my Systema 1J spring ready at hand and will be looking to pick up a few tips

(though I don't fancy opening it up yet - stock ROF with a 8,4/1500 is wayyy sweet, and the hop-up sweeter still)

Google up modding/upgrading "gearbox v3" AEGs, and there's a fair few tuts on Arnies about mechbox disassembly/reassembly

Ample Free ...?

kdouglas wrote: »

post on boards and ask nicely?

:eek:After reading the first line I jumped to conclusions and thought "What the F**K did I do wrong, I was to the point but not rude", I really should read the full post first:p

Back on topic I'm hoping to upgrade spring, battery and possibly more of the internals if it means less chance of gears stripping and what not. So that'll probably take a bit of work and couldn't be done with a quick visit to HRTA.

Just as a question kdouglas, ego aside, how good are you with the internals;)
And would you be willing to spend a bit of time on it, if eh properly motivated, fat brown envelope style:cool:

Spetzcong

kdouglas wrote: »

doing your own gearbox for the first time is one thing, but you dont wanna end up breaking someone elses

Having done my own spring downgrade only recently I'd like to reiterate this point. It took me two days and god knows how many, "ah well it was only a clone, I can always buy a new one" moments before I finally got it back together, that's including coming on here to post in desperation. In total it took me 3 weeks to get the thing fully operational again (had to wait on a TM fire selector switch as I managed to break the clone original in putting it back together). I'd have been sick if it was someone else's AEG I was working on, and I'm sure the owner would have been none too impressed either.

Harekin

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

If worst comes to the worst i could do it. Havent actually opened a gearbox, though I have had them out, but I know what to do with online tutorials aka mechbox.com. Its pretty simple cept getting the new spring back in and having all gears sitting right. What are you doing, jsut spring, or a 9.6V as well to stop it losing ROF?

With a 9.6V and a new spring it'd probably be wise to also upgrade the gears. Standard Marui gears probably wouldnt like that.

kdouglas

Ample Free ...? wrote: »

:eek:After reading the first line I jumped to conclusions and thought "What the F**K did I do wrong, I was to the point but not rude", I really should read the full post first:p

Back on topic I'm hoping to upgrade spring, battery and possibly more of the internals if it means less chance of gears stripping and what not. So that'll probably take a bit of work and couldn't be done with a quick visit to HRTA.

Just as a question kdouglas, ego aside, how good are you with the internals;)
And would you be willing to spend a bit of time on it, if eh properly motivated, fat brown envelope style:cool:

ego aside; i've worked on many many different aeg's at this stage, my own and those belonging to other's, last saturday at hrta i spent most of the day doing repairs for others. i do enough repairs that paul got a workbench which is in the back of the office at hrta for doing repairs (of course im not the owner of the office, others can use it too with permission from paul ) and i currently have 2 aegs and 2 pistols belonging to others at home with me which i am working on

of course, im still not an expert and i make absolutely no claims to being so, but if your looking for someone to rebuild your gearbox with a few upgraded parts installed, im confident that i can do it

Harekin wrote:

With a 9.6V and a new spring it'd probably be wise to also upgrade the gears. Standard Marui gears probably wouldnt like that.

while it may be a good idea to upgrade the stock Marui gears, i've been running my TM p90 with everything stock except for a 1J spring and 9.6v battery since May and no problems with it at all, and that gets used pretty much every weekend, so it's really up to yourself if you change the gears

ED E

Yeah, good idea.

KD: I said worst comes to the worst and clearly pointed out i havent done it before, but DIY is right up my alley.

Ample Free ...?

Any suggestions on a good spring and a decent battery???

and maybe some gears too, I recall the systema M100 spring is 1J, I think

ED E

M100=1J
M90=0.9J
M80=0.8J

and so on.... Brands dont really matter i think, but some may bed down more than others!

kdouglas

different brands of spring give different results in different aeg's

the two links i always post when people ask about springs are below:

1 and 2

note the differences in theoretical and actual fps achieved with the springs... the fps depends on a lot of other factors, mainly how good the air seal is in the gearbox, it's all well and good having a 1 joule spring, but if your gearbox has more air holes than a tea bag, it'll do no good

kdouglas

kdouglas wrote: »

2 aegs and 2 pistols belonging to others at home with me which i am working on

1 aeg and 1 pistol now

might actually get some time to do some mods on my own gear this week

Ample Free ...?

Is there much need to upgrade the bearings and bushings, going by the table on arnies there is

Kdouglas-I presume I'd just source the parts myself and hand them over along with the AEG. Then hope for the best:p

ED E

Gearbox:
Motor
Spring
Piston
Piston head
Gears
Tappet/air nozzle
Bushings/Shims

So you want a spring, and a 9.6v batt to run it. An upgraded motor is an option, shims might be very good idea for increasing its lifespan and mabe adding to rof a little. With 1J you may need a new psiton head to take the force, that you'll need to check. Gears will wear more with a heavier spring...tappet plate should be fine.

kdouglas

Ample Free ...? wrote: »

Is there much need to upgrade the bearings and bushings, going by the table on arnies there is

Kdouglas-I presume I'd just source the parts myself and hand them over along with the AEG. Then hope for the best:p

simplest upgrade for what you want is 1J spring and 9.6v battery (providing it will physically fit), after that you have the choice to upgrade every part in the gearbox, bushings would come first, then gears, tappet plate/nozzle, piston+head, spring guide, cylinder+head, motor, its really up to yourself how much you want to spend

you can go ahead and get the parts yourself if you want, or im ordering stuff from ehobbyasia this friday and can throw it in with that for you.

Ample Free ...?

I'm really just looking to up the power and reduce the risk of it ripping itself apart. So I'd get a spring, battery, bushings and gears. With regards to the size of the battery it'll have to be something like this:
http://www.uncompany.com/pageproductdetails.asp?prodid=7125

A section would have to be cut out, back into the body of the AEG about half an inch to allow the battery to fit in. An 8.4v just fits in as it is:mad:
I know it varies from AEG to AEG but do you think that could be done??

kdouglas

well, havent opened the sig 552 before, so cant say for definite, but a quick google turned up this custom shape battery:

http://cgi.ebay.com/9-6V-1500-ELITE-Mini-Battery-FITS-AIRSOFT-TM-SIG552_W0QQitemZ230184084815QQihZ013QQcategoryZ71081QQcmdZViewItem

MODIFICATION: remove the battery plate and rail, dremel flat the inside raised bosses for the square rail nuts and the pack fits perfectly!

does that sound/look like it would work?

Ample Free ...?

ebay wrote:

MODIFICATION: remove the battery plate and rail, dremel flat the inside raised bosses for the square rail nuts and the pack fits perfectly!

I just removed the battery rail, easily done, what the plate refers to I'm not quite sure but the dremeling just seems to give a few extra mm of space for ease of fit, thats all. Seems like the battery should fit easily enough. Removing the rail makes a lot of space allowing for the two 1.2v batteries on top. That battery should make life a lot easier so its got my thumbs up.

kdouglas

cool, will you be at hrta this saturday? can have a chat about the upgrade in person? you want to order the parts or will i get them for you?

Ample Free ...?

Unfortunately I work on a saturday which is the reason I haven't been to a skirmish in the last 6 months:eek:

I'm in town every day of the week and correct me if I'm wrong but you go to Kevin St. don't you? I'm more than familiar with the place after spending the last 3 years there so I could be there either today about 3:30 or friday about the same time.
I've still got a few mates there, one of whom let me shoot him in the back with said AEG when I first got it. He was bear back and I was 3m away:D

About ordering the parts, the credit card for my paypal account is finished and I've yet to update it so if you could order the stuff that'd be great. If you want I can easily give you a down payment on the parts, no problem.

Cuddlesworth

Ample Free ...? wrote: »

I've still got a few mates there, one of whom let me shoot him in the back with said AEG when I first got it. He was bear back and I was 3m away:D

I see Kevin Street is still producing some of the finest minds in the country since I was there.

Harekin

He doesnt go there anymore as far as I know.

kdouglas

fine minds indeed

Ample Free: (un)fortunately im finished college now, graduation was two weeks ago, i actually will be in kevin street dit this evening to meet a few people, but not until about 6.30 though

its no big deal anyway, dont need the aeg off you yet, was just gonna have a quick look at it on saturday if you were around to assess the battery installation and such

in the meantime, im ordering stuff from ehobbyasia.com and rsov.com this friday, so if you want me to order parts for you send me the links of the ones you want, dont think ehobby or rsov do that custom battery, so will just order directly from that seller i posted for that one i guess.

ambro25

kdouglas wrote:

was just gonna have a quick look at it on saturday if you were around to assess the battery installation and such

K, for what it's worth: the unmodified battery space accomodates a 8,4 mini, with nothing to spare (both lenghtways and height-wise).

My Intellect 8,4 1500 fits, just - the cabling is slightly squeezed at front end between battery and compartment wall, got to plug it in then fit it in.

In unmodified state, the battery sits lenghtways and tilted at a slight angle (to accomodate top portion of handguard, which is more-or less inverted triangular in shape).

It might be possible to fit a longer battery by dremelling into the receiver portion hidden under the top handguard overlap, but I doubt a wider ('fatter') battery would ever fit.

For what it's worth still, most sites/posts I've seen about a 9,6V upgrade always resort to recabling out and a PEQ box: simpler, no dremelling/modding of AEG at all, wider choice of batteries. And the RIS rail is alredy in place.

Since battery size is the main issue, the alternative, of course, is Li-Po (>hids and waits in ambush )

kdouglas

ambro: this battery on ebay will apparently fit with the following modification:

remove the battery plate and rail, dremel flat the inside raised bosses for the square rail nuts and the pack fits perfectly!

just wanted to have a look and see how much of a squeeze that might be?

ambro25

Yeah, seen those batteries before (truth be told, I've done that much research into the TM SIG before buying it, I've probably Google'd up just about anything in relation to it at this stage :rolleyes:)

Very much a case of having to take their word for it, without having handled the battery and presented it in the compartment to see if it would actually fit with the mod.

The mod they suggest is basically 'sanding down' a couple of ABS bosses (holes with "raised lips") at the bottom of the battery compartment, so the battery can sit lower in the compartment.

Dremel? Haha, don't make me laugh - Real men use one of these puppies:

Twin carbide-tipped HSS contra-rotating blades, will go through a solid 10" steel bar like you'd cut a half-melted bloc of butter with a laser (I once sliced a full saloon car to bits in under 10 mins with one of these at East Midlands Airport, in a past life )

Aaanyhow... doesn't get my vote, I'm ethically against butchering a TM

kdouglas

that's a nice saw :eek:

but, it's not butchering if you do it cleanly

Ample Free: it's up to you on what to do about the battery

Ample Free ...?

I found a few sets of gears, ones designed for torque(i.e. greater fps, lower rate of fire), others designed for increased rate of fire and also the basic gears for durability. I'm thinking about getting the basic ones or maybe the ones designed for an increased rate of fire, any thoughts?

On a side note, what was the grad like, my one is next month

ambro25

kdouglas wrote:

that's a nice saw :eek:

You don't know the half of it
(Hint: works wonders on wheelclamps)

kdouglas wrote:

but, it's not butchering if you do it cleanly

Agreed, however I define "butchering" as anything done which involves more than mere (dis)assembly, i.e. which can't be "undone". But that's just me, so don't mind me

Ample, get a PEQ box (optionally a cheapo A&K/DBoys one).

Just dissassemble the AEG battery connector from the 2 wires, then thread the 2 wires through the handguard hole closest to where the PEQ box will sit on right side, Bob's your uncle - put it whatever battery you want in the PEQ box.

After the 1J spring mod on mine, the above is what I'm considering (and balancing against some MP7 upgrading instead)

kdouglas

Torque isnt necessary really with the 1J limit, you only need high torque gears for +1J setups
i'd go for either the basic or high rate of fire ones


grad was... er... ok i guess, it was actually kinda boring, they drivelled on for about 30-40 mins about two guys getting honourary doctorates (ok, fair enough talk about them a bit, but not for that long), made it worse by having to say everything once in english and then again in irish, afterwards there was the usual reception in aungier street, and that was it really, you going to the ball? i did, it was a good night, the band were decent, wasnt too impressed by the dj


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Ample Free ...?

ambro25 wrote: »

Ample, get a PEQ box (optionally a cheapo A&K/DBoys one).

Just dissassemble the AEG battery connector from the 2 wires, then thread the 2 wires through the handguard hole closest to where the PEQ box will sit on right side, Bob's your uncle - put it whatever battery you want in the PEQ box.

Nice idea, I might do it with my M4 but I don't think it suits the 552. Plus if I had a laser which I obviously don't for legal purposes;), I would put it on the rail and it would look and feel great, but since I don't have one I obviously wouldn't know, wink wink nudge nudge:D

KD-here are the links for the parts:

Bushing http://cgi.ebay.com/Systema-AREA1000-Oilless-Metal-AEG-Airsoft-Bushing-A15_W0QQitemZ270178671276QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Spring http://cgi.ebay.com/SYSTEMA-1J-330FPS-Airsoft-AEG-Spring-Upgrade-ZA0617_W0QQitemZ270174521812QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Gears http://cgi.ebay.com/SYSTEMA-AEG-Spur-Flat-Gear-Set-High-Speed-Ratio-ZS0211_W0QQitemZ270170652441QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Battery http://cgi.ebay.com/9-6V-1500-ELITE-Mini-Battery-FITS-AIRSOFT-TM-SIG552_W0QQitemZ230184084815QQihZ013QQcategoryZ71081QQcmdZViewItem

ambro25

Ample Free ...? wrote:

Nice idea, I might do it with my M4 but I don't think it suits the 552.

The PEQ was just my idea (well, that of countless earlier SIG 552 owners, but...) for an easy 9,6V-or-bigger 8,4V fix and therefore just my €0,02 - hack away if you so please

liamo333

Ample Free ...? wrote: »

Nice idea, I might do it with my M4 but I don't think it suits the 552. Plus if I had a laser which I obviously don't for legal purposes;), I would put it on the rail and it would look and feel great, but since I don't have one I obviously wouldn't know, wink wink nudge nudge:D

KD-here are the links for the parts:

Bushing http://cgi.ebay.com/Systema-AREA1000-Oilless-Metal-AEG-Airsoft-Bushing-A15_W0QQitemZ270178671276QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Spring http://cgi.ebay.com/SYSTEMA-1J-330FPS-Airsoft-AEG-Spring-Upgrade-ZA0617_W0QQitemZ270174521812QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Gears http://cgi.ebay.com/SYSTEMA-AEG-Spur-Flat-Gear-Set-High-Speed-Ratio-ZS0211_W0QQitemZ270170652441QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Battery http://cgi.ebay.com/9-6V-1500-ELITE-Mini-Battery-FITS-AIRSOFT-TM-SIG552_W0QQitemZ230184084815QQihZ013QQcategoryZ71081QQcmdZViewItem

Have you conciderd these?http://www.rsov.com/product_info.php?cPath=105_155_163&products_id=685&osCsid=606e2cbcfcc2d1f7b19385f120f5a2d4

Ample Free ...?

liamo333 wrote: »

Have you conciderd these?http://www.rsov.com/product_info.php?cPath=105_155_163&products_id=685&osCsid=606e2cbcfcc2d1f7b19385f120f5a2d4

Not sure, I've never heard of 'Element', plus I'd rather go for systema parts as there tried and tested.

kdouglas

Element are basically chinese clones of Systema parts

I have a set of high speed gears here, they look ok, but havent actually installed them in anything yet

I also have one of their pistons in my A&K m249, ran about 3000 rounds through that last saturday and didnt have any problems, not exactly conclusive, but they seem decent enough

Ample Free ...?

kdouglas wrote: »

Element are basically chinese clones of Systema parts

I have a set of high speed gears here, they look ok, but havent actually installed them in anything yet

I also have one of their pistons in my A&K m249, ran about 3000 rounds through that last saturday and didnt have any problems, not exactly conclusive, but they seem decent enough

I'll stick with the systema parts, if 'm going to spend the money I don't want possibly dodgy parts f**king up and forcing me to spend more money, essentially peace of mind:)

Ample Free ...? wrote: »

Bushing http://cgi.ebay.com/Systema-AREA1000-Oilless-Metal-AEG-Airsoft-Bushing-A15_W0QQitemZ270178671276QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Spring http://cgi.ebay.com/SYSTEMA-1J-330FPS-Airsoft-AEG-Spring-Upgrade-ZA0617_W0QQitemZ270174521812QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Gears http://cgi.ebay.com/SYSTEMA-AEG-Spur-Flat-Gear-Set-High-Speed-Ratio-ZS0211_W0QQitemZ270170652441QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Battery http://cgi.ebay.com/9-6V-1500-ELITE-Mini-Battery-FITS-AIRSOFT-TM-SIG552_W0QQitemZ230184084815QQihZ013QQcategoryZ71081QQcmdZViewItem

As a matter of interest, KD could you pm me a rough estimate for the cost of your expertise, now I've picked the parts I'm trying to figure out how much this'll cost me, cheers

kdouglas

PM sent

Ample Free ...?

I just got an email back from "onlybatterypacks" and shipping will cost $22 for the battery

kdouglas

i emailed them too, i sent one to component-shop.co.uk aswell asking them for a price to make that shape battery plus shipping, see what they come back with i guess? or will i go ahead and order from onlybatterypacks?

Ample Free ...?

No harm in seeing what they reply with, if they reply quick enough that is! Although the "onlybatterypacks" version is specifically designed for the 552 so its probably the best option

kdouglas

i sent component-shop the image from onlybatterypacks of how the battery is supposed to be shaped, so it should be the same... ill let you know what they reply

Ample Free ...?

KD, have you ordered the parts yet? i'm thinking about getting a few other bits so I added a credit card to my paypal account and I can order the stuff myself all together. Sorry if you've already done it:o

And I presume there's been no word from 'component-shop'?

kdouglas

Yea, sent you a pm earlier, parts are ordered and paid for

no word from component-shop yet

Ample Free ...?

No problem, I'm probably better off. As a result of looking at airsoft things so much over the last few days my bank balance has been getting worried:p

If you want I'll order the battery and just get it over and done with.

kdouglas

got a reply from component-shop on that battery, check your pm's

Ample Free ...?

reply pm sent

kdouglas

and another reply sent also :P

lol, i think we can keep it to pm now