Cluxton - All Star

davmi

Can't believe they gave Cluxton the All Star! Based on reputation alone, theres no way he was the best keeper this year, Murphy from Meath was the obvious choice! even the Sunday game gave to him... he was at least as a good shotstopper, better kickouts, great under the highball (I no brogan beat him to the ball for his goal but in fairness it was 50-50!) and more reliable - no 50 yard dashes to give the ball away!!
was delighted Bradley got it ahead af Donaghy tho! good all year, donaghy had 1 great game!

jackbhoy

Have to agree. There is no doubt he's a good keeper but he has been given a "soft" All-Star for the last 2 years now, he was 3rd best on the nominations list last year but got one because they wanted to give Dubs another All-Star and it was only position available, ditto this year.

If you analyse his performances this year he actually made very few saves (couple that were called great saves were actually poor finishes, hit straight at him) and none of them were crucial to Dubs winning games, if you look at Westmeath keeper last year or Meath this year those keepers consistently made outstanding saves that kept their teams in C'ship when they won games by the odd point.

Again, nothing against Cluxton just feel sorry for better keepers who don't get recognition because of GAA politics....

hurlingguy

What a f ucking joke the All-Stars are full stop! Everyone knows that our forwards were the key in the tight games we played this year and for Donahey and Galvin not to get an All-Star it a absolute disgrace!

An Citeog

Donaghy didn't deserve an Allstar this year. He had a very poor year. Tbh, Idon't see much wrong with the selections.

Re: Cluxton and this thread itself, goalkeeping is about a hell of a lot more than shot stopping. Stephen Cluxton is imho the best goalkeeper in Ireland, primarily because of his distribution. He made one almighty fúck-up against Kerry and people just instantly wrote him off. His kick-outs were the platform for a lot of Dublin's attacks.

Anyway, every fan is going to feel that their players are more deserving of all-stars than others.

Dapos

Donaghy shouldn't have got an all-star this year, he only came good in the latter games. as for galvin not getting and all-star..... thats a different story.

modmuffin

Dapos wrote: »

Donaghy shouldn't have got an all-star this year, he only came good in the latter games. as for galvin not getting and all-star..... thats a different story.

But the latter games are the important games,where the all-stars are up for grabs really. If the final hadve been more of a contest and donaghy's goals were important then he wouldve got one. ive no complaints with bradley though.

Glavin was unlucky to miss out

I reckon O'Se got in ahead of murphy because of the final mainly.

davmi wrote: »

Can't believe they gave Cluxton the All Star! Based on reputation alone,

I disagree, cluxtons delivery was 2nd to none all year. Too much was made of the mistake against kerry.
How many goals did dublin concede up to the kerry game? (incl league?)
not very many atall.
Cluxton made some excellent saves too.

I wouldntve given Brogan an all-star.

davmi

I disagree, cluxtons delivery was 2nd to none all year. Too much was made of the mistake against kerry.
How many goals did dublin concede up to the kerry game? (incl league?)
not very many atall.
Cluxton made some excellent saves too.

I never said Cluxton isnt a good keeper or didnt have a good year but all stars are about honoring the best in that year, and murphy was more important to meath, made more saves and less mistakes. And I dont think too much is being made of his mistske, in the biggest game of the year he ran 50 yards out of goal and passed straight to a Kerry man... ok it didn't cost them the match or anything like it but its something a keeper should NEVER do. If a keeper makes a mistake in his goal area you can put it down to just that but whens its 50 yards from where he should be its lunacy!

Nalced_irl

Ok, ill jump to Cluxtons aid here i suppose I think he made some hugely important saves over the championship and i wouldnt begrudge him the Allstar, altho i will naturally be a bit biased on it. No doubt that Murphy also had a great year with some important saves but i think either of them deserved it equally. For that mistake, Cluxton had no players moving if front of him and was forced to kick. Indeed he should have looked to play it into space or at worst into the air for a 50-50 ball but i dont think it was as big a mistake as people are making out. Also apart from that i cannot think of one other thing he did wrong all championship. Imo he had a very solid season and is deserving of the allstar.

D. Coughlan

I though Cluxton would get it, the goalie all star tends to rotate. From a Cork point of view, it's hard to be happy with just one (canty ), Nicholas Murphy should have got a second one over Whealan if you ask me, What do you reckon ?

An Citeog

D. Coughlan wrote: »

I though Cluxton would get it, the goalie all star tends to rotate. From a Cork point of view, it's hard to be happy with just one (canty ), Nicholas Murphy should have got a second one over Whealan if you ask me, What do you reckon ?

Cluxton won it last year aswell!

Who did Cork actually play to get to the final though? The performance against a poor Sligo team was poor and the Meath game was all about the sum of the parts for the Cork team. Nicholas Murphy was definitely a close contender and I wouldn't have begrudged him the allstar but Whelan had a fantastic season aswell. Canty definitely deserved his all star but I'd struggle to pick another name from the Cork team.

On the whole Cluxton issue aswell, I'm firmly of the opinion that he's the best goalkeeper in Ireland. It's not just his shot-stopping. His distribution is second to none and his ability to come out and play as an extra full-back is vital to the way Dublin play. The only weakness I see is his height and his ability to command the ball in the air, but I guess nobody's perfect!

corkfella

1 all star for cork, absolute joke and even at that canty was picked out of position at corner back. 4 for d dubs...some people seem to believe the hype it seems. cluxton was at fault big time against kerry but collected his 3rd all star this year....incredible and what about the greatest sunshine man in ireland ciaran whelan. its about time d all star selection team woke up and realised they do not have to pick dublin players for d sake of it.

Waylander

As someone said earlier Cork didnt beat anyone all year, and I am not sure about this but if I recall correctly Canty missed a couple of games early on through injury, if so he was lucky to pip Griff to the All Star. I think Brendan Murphy did deserve an All Star over Cluxton, I thought he made some marvellous saves, at times keeping Meath in the Championship. Whelo had his best season in a while and deserved his first all star since the 90's, so stop talking nonsense there. Broagan I think was a bit lucky to get on. In general I thought they were fair enough, and I thought M O Se deserved the Footballer of the year award too.

corkfella

you are mistaken about canty...he started all championship games for cork this year. nic murphy had a bad game in d final but even kerry people i know said he had a grt game year up to that, he deserved an all star and not whelan. does anyone else agree me that d all stars have now become a farce wherby a bunch of journalists and not real gaa people pick a team that is more about pleasing certain dublin people than being fair, point in case 2002 kerry won 3 all stars after throwing away d final to armagh, d same year dublin won 3 after losing a quarter final to kerry....

mise_me_fein

Cluxton was the best this year. Yer man from Meath is a good keeper but Cluxton proved himself this year a lot more.

corkfella

If u get to an all Ireland final you deserve more than 1 all star cork cud only beat what was in front of them.you are mistaken about canty...he started all championship games for cork this year. nic murphy had a bad game in d final but even kerry people i know said he had a grt game year up to that, he deserved an all star and not whelan. does anyone else agree me that d all stars have now become a farce wherby a bunch of journalists and not real gaa people pick a team that is more about pleasing certain dublin people than being fair, point in case 2002 kerry won 3 all stars after throwing away d final to armagh, d same year dublin won 3 after losing a quarter final to kerry....

kevmy

I have to say I have only 2 or 3 disagreements with the choices this year (which is lower than I usually do). I'm not trying to get at Dublin here in this so bear with me. We all know All-Star's aren't just about this year but a couple of years. This years example of that is IMO Paddy Bradley. A very good footballer and deserving off an All-Star at some stage in his career definitely but I don't think this was his best year. I think Masters or O'Connor from Cork can feel a little hard done by. Donaghy didn't deserve it this year as a whole even though he is a very good footballer.

Cluxton has 2 already. Surely Murphy deserved it this year. Not saying Cluxton is a bad keeper (IMO a little overrated but he deserved a couple of All-Star due to lack of proper contenders) but I think that Murphy was at least as good as him this year.

Also still not sold on Whealan. Sure he played well when things are going well or for a 10 to 15 min period in big games but not very consistent. Nic Murphy deserved it more. I know Murphy fcuked up in the final but so did alot of Cork players and lets no forget Whealan fcuked up in the semi. If he was truely deserving of the All-Star he would have taken the game by the scruff of the neck when Dara O Sé went off. That was when Dublin needed him most - he didn't deliver. I thought Shane Ryan played better than him in the semi. In fairness to Murphy at least he was outplayed by the best midfielder of his generation at the top of his game - Whealan has no such excuses

Waylander

corkfella wrote: »

If u get to an all Ireland final you deserve more than 1 all star cork cud only beat what was in front of them.you are mistaken about canty...he started all championship games for cork this year. nic murphy had a bad game in d final but even kerry people i know said he had a grt game year up to that, he deserved an all star and not whelan. does anyone else agree me that d all stars have now become a farce wherby a bunch of journalists and not real gaa people pick a team that is more about pleasing certain dublin people than being fair, point in case 2002 kerry won 3 all stars after throwing away d final to armagh, d same year dublin won 3 after losing a quarter final to kerry....

Fair enough I stand carrected on Canty, I said I wasnt sure about that. Not really sure how you can say the panel are trying to please Dublin, as I said this was Whelo's first All star since the 90's. By the way in 2002 Dublin were beaten semi finalists by Armagh, they didnt lose a quarter final to Kerry. Nicholas Murphy has been outstanding in the last couple of years, but this year, the only time he met opposition of quality he did not produce. I genuinely believe that Whelo was worth an All Star this year. I think Cluxtons and possibly Brogans were dubious, but I felt both Cahill and Whelo merited their awards this year.

yahoo_moe

An Citeog wrote: »

On the whole Cluxton issue aswell, I'm firmly of the opinion that he's the best goalkeeper in Ireland. It's not just his shot-stopping. His distribution is second to none and his ability to come out and play as an extra full-back is vital to the way Dublin play.

Agreed and I think he fully deserved it this year.

corkfella wrote:

cluxton was at fault big time against kerry

explain this comment, please - yes, he kicked the ball away once but the Dublin team seemed to decide en masse they weren't arsed moving for a pass so I wouldn't even count that

corkfella wrote:

nic murphy had a bad game in d final but even kerry people i know said he had a grt game year up to that, he deserved an all star and not whelan

if anything, he deserved it ahead of Ó Sé but I still wouldn't agree - I thought the two best midfielders in the country this year were rightly recognised

corkfella wrote:

If u get to an all Ireland final you deserve more than 1 all star

You're right that they could only beat who they were drawn against but this is way off the mark - a team can go far with few (or no) stand-out individuals by playing well as a team but the All-Stars are about recognising outstanding individuals, not team performances

corkfella wrote:

does anyone else agree me that d all stars have now become a farce wherby a bunch of journalists and not real gaa people pick a team that is more about pleasing certain dublin people than being fair, point in case 2002 kerry won 3 all stars after throwing away d final to armagh, d same year dublin won 3 after losing a quarter final to kerry....

Seeing as you posted this twice, I'll respond - no I don't. And as has been pointed out, that's not what happened in 2002

kevmy wrote:

Also still not sold on Whealan. Sure he played well when things are going well or for a 10 to 15 min period in big games but not very consistent. Nic Murphy deserved it more. I know Murphy fcuked up in the final but so did alot of Cork players and lets no forget Whealan fcuked up in the semi

Don't agree with this - Whelan was a big part of bringing Dublin back to within a point against Kerry and won an incredible amount of ball for them all year

blackbelt

I think there is a question hanging over how much of the championship the selectors have been exposed to.For instance,I don't think the Meath v Kildare match was televised and were the selectors for the all-stars at this game?If they were,they would have seen Murphy saving Meath on 2-3 important occasions.There is inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the method of choosing players.However,I'm guessing that the selectors are basing the choice of Cluxton over Murphy as per goals conceded in the championship and progress.Murphy conceded 6 goals while Cluxton conceded 2.

Trying not to be biased but Cluxton made excellent saves against Meath,Laois and more noticeably Derry.Dublin played 6 games conceding 2 goals.Meath played 7 games conceding 6.Thats Cluxton conceding one goal per 3 matches and Murphy conceding a goal every match.Maybe its based on averages.

I also think the all-stars competition should recognise players who contributed and played well but didn't progress as much.Tommy Gill for Wicklow and Hoey and Stanfield for Louth were a joy to watch.

Shane O Rourke could have been an outside chance and had Masters not sustained an injury against Sligo,he could have been on his way to getting an all star.


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corkfella

cluxton decided to go on a solo run 40 yards out of his goal and kicked d ball away...if he had found a man they cud have got a replay....

to b honest i dont like dara ose but he proved again this year he is still d best midfielder in the country, nic murphy has been right up there with him d last few years but falls down when playing ose directly. whelan is whelan d media darling who struck a meathman right in front of d ref a few years ago but did not walk...

cork had some outstanding players this year thru the field, donnacha oconnor consistently won his own ball and scored points against all year and kerry respected him so much they put marc ose on him. bray from meath was found lacking in d semi against cork and kicked a few bad wides but won an all-star ahead of doc.

fair enuff was wrong about 2002 but most men from d other 31 counties wud agree if its 50/50 decision above in a dublin hotel d journos wil always side with d overhyped blue army because its sells more papers......

Waylander

corkfella wrote: »

cluxton decided to go on a solo run 40 yards out of his goal and kicked d ball away...if he had found a man they cud have got a replay....

to b honest i dont like dara ose but he proved again this year he is still d best midfielder in the country, nic murphy has been right up there with him d last few years but falls down when playing ose directly. whelan is whelan d media darling who struck a meathman right in front of d ref a few years ago but did not walk...

cork had some outstanding players this year thru the field, donnacha oconnor consistently won his own ball and scored points against all year and kerry respected him so much they put marc ose on him. bray from meath was found lacking in d semi against cork and kicked a few bad wides but won an all-star ahead of doc.

fair enuff was wrong about 2002 but most men from d other 31 counties wud agree if its 50/50 decision above in a dublin hotel d journos wil always side with d overhyped blue army because its sells more papers......

Your first paragraph is about one mistake made by a player over the whole season, as I said, I dont think Cluxtom really deserved one, but I would not take it off him for one error in judgement, and then argue that Murphy ONLY had one bad game and hence deserves an all star. Then saying Bray had a bad game against Cork and should not get one is inconsisten again. Your second paragraph relates to history and is not relelvant to this season. As for the rest it is just bitterness, as I have said several times it is Whelos first all star this decade, hardly the media bowing to the blue army. I think he has deserved one in other years, and feel he fully deserved his All star this year.

blackbelt

Such dribble coming out of your mouth Corkfella.Cork were hardly impressive this year despite getting to the final.Midfield made it too hard for them particularly against Louth.The only time they really shined was against Kerry in Munster and Meath in the semi.

Dublin were more entertaining and consistent.Did you not see Whelan and Ryan in the replay against Meath?What a class act.Whelan actually got the better of O Se against Kerry on numerous occasions and your excuse that Murphy falls against O Se when playing directly is nonsense.Its not about pleasing Dublin or playing up to them.There is a reason they got 4 all stars.They were more consistent and as always gave great entertaining matches.

As for Stephen Bray,he was a shoe in to get an all-star for Meath.The Dubs on here discussed this in Madigans at one stage and we all agreed.I said before that Masters could have got an all-star but unfortunately he got injured.Goulding did well to replace him in the Meath match and was impressive but he had limited time to prove he'd be an all-star.I'd like to hear your views on Cussen getting an all-star.

blackbelt

I think there is a question hanging over how much of the championship the selectors have been exposed to.For instance,I don't think the Meath v Kildare match was televised and were the selectors for the all-stars at this game?If they were,they would have seen Murphy saving Meath on 2-3 important occasions.There is inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the method of choosing players.However,I'm guessing that the selectors are basing the choice of Cluxton over Murphy as per goals conceded in the championship and progress.Murphy conceded 6 goals while Cluxton conceded 2.

Trying not to be biased but Cluxton made excellent saves against Meath,Laois and more noticeably Derry.Dublin played 6 games conceding 2 goals.Meath played 7 games conceding 6.Thats Cluxton conceding one goal per 3 matches and Murphy conceding a goal every match.Maybe its based on averages.

I also think the all-stars competition should recognise players who contributed and played well but didn't progress as much.Tommy Gill for Wicklow and Hoey and Stanfield for Louth were a joy to watch.

Shane O Rourke could have been an outside chance and had Masters not sustained an injury against Sligo,he could have been on his way to getting an all star.


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Tomthepost

On balance I think that the selection was quite good this year. Not sure if Bradley would have got in ahead of Donaghy if not for the fact that he has not got picked in previously years which was definitely a disgrace.

Remember Donaghy scored that winning point in the Munster final, turned the game back in favour of Kerry when coming out to midfield against the Dubs and was a contender for Man of the Match in the final.

Indiscipline and injury in the League early in the season might have been a factor also against Donaghy.

With that said he was over-rewarded last season and getting footballer of the year ahead of Dara O Se was a baffling decision.

Galvin and Young are two players that will feel harder done by at not getting picked. The committee took the handy way out picking Barry Cahill and giving the young player of the year to Young.

Stephen Bray was woeful when it mattered against Cork and should not have been picked. Just consider that Cork probably went into the All-Ireland final with about 4 All-Stars and lost a few as a result of their performance in that game and I think I have made my point. Galvin whilst a rogue was important in every game to Kerry.

Cluxton??? To be honest no goalkeeper stands out. 15 outfield players might have been the way to go.

I also think that Declan O' Sullivan probably deserved to shade the player of the year category.
Was the committee trying to apeace the O Se family for getting it so wrong last year???

blackbelt

Totally agree with you Tomthepost about Declan O Sullivan.He should have got the footballer of the year.He saved Kerry against Dublin when the rest of the Kerry team took their foot off the pedal.Yet we have all the O Se bagging all-stars plus footballer of the year.Absolutely farcical.I think it was done so that they could say that "never before had three brothers all got all-stars in the same year" plus player of the year until now.

Cluxton deserved his all-star.Its about averages.He fully merited it last year by only conceding one goal in the championship.and Murphy was a contender but unfortunately for him and Meath his record of goal concessions was probably the deciding factor.

Donaghy had two good games this year against Monaghan and Cork although when he did play against Dublin in his usual intercounty position,he was bested by Ross McConnell in the air.

davmi

I dont think u can base it on how many goals each conceded. if you look at the players in front of them between 2 and 9 Fay was probably the only meath player to outshine his
Dublin counterpart overall in the championship. Also Geraghty scored a perfect goal on Cluxton and Brogans goal was the only one Meath conceded that you could say Murphy could have done better on.
i don't know how people are questioning Bradleys though, fully deserved on this years performances, much better than Donaghey over the whole season.

Marse

Waylander wrote: »

Your first paragraph is about one mistake made by a player over the whole season, as I said, I dont think Cluxtom really deserved one, but I would not take it off him for one error in judgement, and then argue that Murphy ONLY had one bad game and hence deserves an all star. Then saying Bray had a bad game against Cork and should not get one is inconsisten again. Your second paragraph relates to history and is not relelvant to this season. As for the rest it is just bitterness, as I have said several times it is Whelos first all star this decade, hardly the media bowing to the blue army. I think he has deserved one in other years, and feel he fully deserved his All star this year.

Have to Say I agree, Whelan deserved the all star this year. I thought he had a very good year, playing to his strengths in Midfield. His fielding was top notch as ever, he didn’t waste his time going on meaningless runs and blasting the ball well wide like previous years. He caught the ball and moved it on very effectively this year.
Cluxton and Cahill were worth their All Stars for me, Brogan I’m not too sure about, but I’ll take another dub on the list gladly.